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Old 02-08-2009, 07:22 PM   #1
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Default Detailing Guru's.....I need your opinion.

Well, I finally got around to buying a Flex XC 3401 and I need an opinion on the following combination of products that I have yet to buy. First, some background on the car. It's an 02' WRX WRB with 65K miles. I'm pretty sure that it has never been professionally detailed, just your basic quick car washes and such. Since buying that car last year in February, I have put it through maybe five or six automatic car washes at the local Turtle Wax. I have noticed a lot of swirls and light scratches all over, in addition to a major scratch on the passenger side front door that the previous owner had covered up with Subaru Touch-Up paint. I am planning on using (in that order):

- Menzerna Super Intensive Polish with a LC Orange Pad
- Menzerna Super Finish Nano with a LC Green Pad
- Klasse AIO with a LC Gray Pad
- Klasse High Gloss Sealant Glaze with a LC Blue Pad
- Pinnacle Liquid Souveran with a LC Red Pad

Since I am fairly new to all of this, I would appreciate your opinions. Thanks.

BTW, the car wash I will be using will be a diluted Dawn mixture, how much should I dilute? Thanks.
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Old 02-08-2009, 08:09 PM   #2
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You have a good lineup ahead of you. The flex will be easy to use and the sip plus the p0106ff will remove all those swirls and light scratches. Just make sure you are working with halogen lights or a brinkmann dual xenon so you can make sure that you are ridding your car of imperfections.

Make sure you also clay the car before polishing.
Also make sure you are breaking down the polish completely, yes it will take a long time but it will be worth it.

However, I would not bother using a glaze after polishing. A glaze just fills in imperfections and hides swirls and scratches from the paint. Since you are polishing the car with an aggressive polish followed by a finishing polish there shouldn't be much to hide. I would use the glaze if you feel that you will have trouble removing all the imperfections. That way you will feel more satisfactory with your work.

Another thing is if you use a sealant to protect the paint which will last anywhere from 3 to 6 months there really isn't any point of adding the additional souveran wax. Adding the souveran may bring out the extra depth and wetness of the paint but it won't do much for protection. If you do feel you want the desired results then make sure you apply the souveran a minimum of 24 hours after applying sealant.

Make sure you take your time, going slow to properly remove perfections. Good luck
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Old 02-08-2009, 08:10 PM   #3
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first your gonna want to claybar it, which if you do this just use normal car wash, if its before a detail i do OCW and mix in some meguiars APC, an use the foam gun to apply. Doing this you will not need to use dawn or a harsh cleaner to clean your paint.

i like the choice of menzerna products.
im not big on klasse, but i use alot of werkstatt.
i do werkstatt prime followed up by AJ trigger.
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Old 02-08-2009, 09:31 PM   #4
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Thanks for the feedback guys. I am aware that I have to claybar the car after I initially wash it and then I heard washing it again helps. Also, is it worth investing in a water filtration system/purifier?

mtnnsea19 - The only reason that I want to use the Souveran is to bring out some extra depth and wetness in the paint. I am not too concerned with the alloted time of protection as I will be washing the car every week and performing a full detail as listed every month (if needed). I was not aware that you have to wait 24 hours after the sealant. Now I know. Also, how can you tell if polish is broken down completely? Thanks.

Hines - I wanted to use the Dawn mixture for the car wash as I want to strip any kind of impurities or anything that is on the paint. Kind of starting with a somewhat cleaner canvas if you know what I mean. Is there a drastic difference between sponge washing the car versus using a foam gun? Thanks.

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Old 02-08-2009, 11:40 PM   #5
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A water filtration system really isn't necessary. The system will purify the calcium deposits that are found in water. This can be a good investment if your car has high deposits of calcium but if not it really isn't necessary. Calcium can lead to hard water buildup that lead to etching in the clear coat of your paint overtime. However, as long as necessary precautions are taken care of such as drying your car after washing, which you should do, your car will not experience these deposits. Polishing will also take care of removing any hard water spots. If you begin to notice hard water spot buildup after drying your car then it may be a good idea to get a filtration system. If not, don't worry about it.

If you are looking for the extra depth of your paint from the souveran then I would definetely go for it. As far as maintaining your car I would be very conscious about washing the car carefully. Always use the two bucket system to help minimize further swirling. On the other hand I stress the importance not to fully detail your car every month. Machine polishing removes imperfections by cutting your clear coat. If the paint is repetitively polishing, as in every month then the clear coat will be cut away. I would only fully detail your car every 6 months. If swirls and scratches do begin to show up before half a year I would just wash, clay, glaze the car and then finally wax/seal. The glaze will be enough to minimize the shown imperfections.

Learning when polish is broken down comes from experience. When you first apply the polish to the paint on a low speed it will haze the paint and make the panel look clouded and white. As you work the polish into the paint it will begin to become translucent and difficult to see. Mezernna polishes can be worked in for a long time. Even though you may feel that you have been polishing for a long time, the polish most likely will not be broken down. You can also tell if the polish is fully broken down by the way it wipes away. Once finished a broken down polish will wipe away with little difficulty. You will begin to understand as you move along the car. It is also helpful to use lights to help guide you in your polishing. Under the light there is a noticeble difference between a worked in polish and one that is already broken down. I would also watch some youtube videos with people using mezerna products to help guide how long the polish should be worked into. Hopefully that will give you an introductory level. Also check out this site for further detailing information.

http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-det...ces-newbs.html

Dawn soap is only good if you are fully detailing the car. The soap will eat away any previous wax on the paint.

A foam gun is great for letting the soap carry away any grime, dust, or dirt that is on the car. The spray on foam sits on the car and then carry's away dirt allowing you to remove anything on your paint that may lead to scratches when washing it by hand.

If you have any other questions feel free to ask.
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Old 02-09-2009, 03:13 AM   #6
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Everything looks pretty good, but I think you could skip the initial Klasse AIO step. It seems like overkill to me. I would still get it though as part of your maintenance regimen between polishing. Other than that I think everything looks pretty good.

Like someone else mentioned, Autopia would be a much better place to get your info from. There are much more knowledgeable people there (not saying there aren't any here), than here on NASIOC.
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Old 02-09-2009, 09:23 PM   #7
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Thanks for the feedback guys. I am aware that I have to claybar the car after I initially wash it and then I heard washing it again helps. Also, is it worth investing in a water filtration system/purifier?

mtnnsea19 - The only reason that I want to use the Souveran is to bring out some extra depth and wetness in the paint. I am not too concerned with the alloted time of protection as I will be washing the car every week and performing a full detail as listed every month (if needed). I was not aware that you have to wait 24 hours after the sealant. Now I know. Also, how can you tell if polish is broken down completely? Thanks.

Hines - I wanted to use the Dawn mixture for the car wash as I want to strip any kind of impurities or anything that is on the paint. Kind of starting with a somewhat cleaner canvas if you know what I mean. Is there a drastic difference between sponge washing the car versus using a foam gun? Thanks.
using the claybar will pull away the impurities better then the harsh dish detergent. im big against using dish detergen. my process is wash, clay, rinse, dry, an begin polishing.

Some sealants you do not have to wait 24hrs to layer, werkstatt AJ only suggest a minimum of 30 min. i usually give it a few hours before recoating.

souveran is good for darker color cars, i use the paste souveran. on lighter colors id choose something a bit less expensive then souveran, it still looks good, but others do just the same for the lighter color cars, for cheaper too.
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