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Old 08-20-2009, 09:27 AM   #476
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I concur with the others. I have an 08/08 build and now have 600 miles on the new engine. Subaru has been great to me and my dealer in Florida has been awesome with the repair. But, if you don't have to go through this aspect of 09 WRX ownership....don't. If you proceed, ask for the extneded warranty up front. You'll need it. Good luck, but I'd try to swap it out for a newer build date, anything from late 08(Nov/Dec) or any 09 build date. Good luck.
Exactly... There is no reason NOT to buy a WRX... Just with what we know, I would stray away from that particular one...
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Old 08-20-2009, 04:36 PM   #477
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I drive an 02 bugeye wagon, the 09 was for wifey. We had a battle last night regarding backing out of this vehicle. I lost the fight and she is driving it today. At least mine looks better & will probably last longer.
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Old 08-20-2009, 04:39 PM   #478
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I drive an 02 bugeye wagon, the 09 was for wifey. We had a battle last night regarding backing out of this vehicle. I lost the fight and she is driving it today. At least mine looks better & will probably last longer.
Did you show her this thread, and the youtubes of engines going clank clank clank?
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Old 08-20-2009, 04:46 PM   #479
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I showed it all to her and all she had to say (almost crying)was don't ruin this for me and we will deal with the problem if it happens.
Dealer also said no break in period on these cars. I swear I read 1,000 mile break in.
This dealer also has a 30 day return policy on all new cars within 30 days & 500 miles no questions.
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Old 08-20-2009, 04:52 PM   #480
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^she loves the car, who cares, your engine goes pop, you get it fixed, big deal,.... on the bright side the trend seems to be they blow earlier than later,....

or you could return the car and then buy another one from another dealer or the same one with a later build date..
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Old 08-20-2009, 04:58 PM   #481
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I showed it all to her and all she had to say (almost crying)was don't ruin this for me and we will deal with the problem if it happens.
Dealer also said no break in period on these cars. I swear I read 1,000 mile break in.
This dealer also has a 30 day return policy on all new cars within 30 days & 500 miles no questions.
That's madness. I cannot believe someone knowing what we know would spend thousands of dollars on a car in that build date.

Engine replacement will show up on the car fax when you go to sell which can de-value the car plus as others have said the car may not run properly after. Tell her to think long term and find a car with a newer build date. Not sure why she would cry about being told not to buy a car with a broken engine. It's not like these cars are discontinued, you can still buy these cars.

Edit: Looks like it's too late. Oh well at least you will get the 'I told you so' on her when she's complaining about her car being in the shop for a week. Women sometimes need to learn the hard way that not every battle is worth winning.

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Old 08-20-2009, 05:01 PM   #482
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^she loves the car, who cares, your engine goes pop, you get it fixed, big deal,.... on the bright side the trend seems to be they blow earlier than later,....

or you could return the car and then buy another one from another dealer or the same one with a later build date..
Or you could buy one with a later build date in the first place and avoid all the hassle. Or does that just make too much sense?
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Old 08-20-2009, 05:03 PM   #483
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Or you could buy one with a later build date in the first place and avoid all the hassle. Or does that just make too much sense?
ask the guys wife, not me..
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Old 08-20-2009, 05:04 PM   #484
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Or you could buy one with a later build date in the first place and avoid all the hassle. Or does that just make too much sense?
Yeah, I really don't see the big deal. It's not like every dealership is sold out of 09 WRX's. The specific one I wanted, the dealer didn't have, but had DX'd in within 2 days. It's not like you'd have to wait a month or so to get a car.
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Old 08-20-2009, 05:59 PM   #485
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I showed it all to her and all she had to say (almost crying)was don't ruin this for me and we will deal with the problem if it happens.
Dealer also said no break in period on these cars. I swear I read 1,000 mile break in.
This dealer also has a 30 day return policy on all new cars within 30 days & 500 miles no questions.
Ahh man... When it comes to wives -- You gotta do what You gotta do... I'm sure she'll be fine..

Just make sure you educate her on what to listen for... Show her the SOA roadside assistance number.. And tell her to drive it like she normally would... Don't baby it.... If it happens, it happens...

Overall -- SOA has been great to 99.9% of us.. but I think in 0.1% -- It might be more dealer issues than SOA...

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Old 08-20-2009, 06:07 PM   #486
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I have been working her for a year now to get "her " a new car. I planned on switching cars with her after a month or so. Now I don't even want the 09. I hope she enjoys it.
I guess now I need an up/downpipe and an AP for my 02.
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Old 08-20-2009, 06:12 PM   #487
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I have been working her for a year now to get "her " a new car. I planned on switching cars with her after a month or so. Now I don't even want the 09. I hope she enjoys it.
I guess now I need an up/downpipe and an AP for my 02.
... Well, that's a crappy attitude ...

I used to have an 04 (Which was pretty much an 02 with a facelift) .. And the 09 is such a leap forward it's painful .. (Perhaps not in looks to some tho...) I do miss my MOMO steering wheel tho...

Just don't hate the car because you think it it tainted...
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Old 08-20-2009, 06:17 PM   #488
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thats exactly how I feel about the car like its tainted and I have not even driven it yet. The car is Gray premium and does look hot. Mine is on prodrives w rota torques w 225's and I honestly don't know which looks better. I need some pics.
Two kids in an ms3 were in the lot when she picked it up and they said to her thats "your" car , it looks amazing.
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Old 08-20-2009, 06:39 PM   #489
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thats exactly how I feel about the car like its tainted and I have not even driven it yet. The car is Gray premium and does look hot. Mine is on prodrives w rota torques w 225's and I honestly don't know which looks better. I need some pics.
Two kids in an ms3 were in the lot when she picked it up and they said to her thats "your" car , it looks amazing.
If it is still a possibility you should dump it Crev. If you must have an 09 WRX at least get a good build date.
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Old 08-20-2009, 06:44 PM   #490
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Agreed, I am walking a fine line though.
happy wife/regular sex/tainted car or pissed wife/Rosey palm
guesss Im stuck w the 09.
about how much do you lose trading in a car w say 10,000 miles on a replaced engine
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Agreed, I am walking a fine line though.
happy wife/regular sex/tainted car or pissed wife/Rosey palm
guesss Im stuck w the 09.
about how much do you lose trading in a car w say 10,000 miles on a replaced engine
I may have the answer to that in a few weeks LOL! SOA has officially told me that they will do absolutely nothing for me. I have contacted an attorney, if I have a case I will pursue it fully. If not I'll be trading mine if for a vehicle that actually works (and probably at a tremendous loss).

"You could always be a man and tell her how its going to be (LOL)," said the guy that isn't married.
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Old 08-20-2009, 07:15 PM   #492
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How do the lemon laws work? can you go that route
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Old 08-20-2009, 07:50 PM   #493
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Agreed, I am walking a fine line though.
happy wife/regular sex/tainted car or pissed wife/Rosey palm
guesss Im stuck w the 09.
about how much do you lose trading in a car w say 10,000 miles on a replaced engine
A new car looses at least 20% of it's value the second it leaves a dealer lot.. And the first year of your payments is mostly interest.

Depending on interest rate, length of a loan, and over payments on the loan -- it usually takes 40-60% of the life of a loan to break even.

Don't even think about this tho.. Trust me.. Enjoy the car.

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I may have the answer to that in a few weeks LOL! SOA has officially told me that they will do absolutely nothing for me. I have contacted an attorney, if I have a case I will pursue it fully. If not I'll be trading mine if for a vehicle that actually works (and probably at a tremendous loss).

"You could always be a man and tell her how its going to be (LOL)," said the guy that isn't married.
You know - I probably would of left this thread a while ago if it wasn't for you.

I don't know what the heck has happened between yourself, the dealer, and SOA -- but it is the exact polar opposite of my experience. SOA has gone above and beyond for me. And I couldn't be happier with the resolution to my issues.

Of this thread, we have 80+ dead engines -- And you're really the only person who is still pissed... You have the right to be upset, but I would recommend you might want to try and resolve the issue civilly. And don't be afraid to go into your regional form, and ask your community for help. 4 People from different deals in the SE PM'd me after my car blew up telling me to contact them if I need help.... That's the power of NASIOC..

But seriously man, this poor guys wife just bought a new car... Don't **** in his/her cheerios.. We warned him, she didn't care -- Now all we can do is help educate them on the process to get the issue resolved, should that situation a raise...
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A new car looses at least 20% of it's value the second it leaves a dealer lot.. And the first year of your payments is mostly interest.

Depending on interest rate, length of a loan, and over payments on the loan -- it usually takes 40-60% of the life of a loan to break even.

Don't even think about this tho.. Trust me.. Enjoy the car.



You know - I probably would of left this thread a while ago if it wasn't for you.

I don't know what the heck has happened between yourself, the dealer, and SOA -- but it is the exact polar opposite of my experience. SOA has gone above and beyond for me. And I couldn't be happier with the resolution to my issues.

Of this thread, we have 80+ dead engines -- And you're really the only person who is still pissed... You have the right to be upset, but I would recommend you might want to try and resolve the issue civilly. And don't be afraid to go into your regional form, and ask your community for help. 4 People from different deals in the SE PM'd me after my car blew up telling me to contact them if I need help.... That's the power of NASIOC..

But seriously man, this poor guys wife just bought a new car... Don't **** in his/her cheerios.. We warned him, she didn't care -- Now all we can do is help educate them on the process to get the issue resolved, should that situation a raise...
I tried to work with SOA for more than a month in a cordial manner. As of yesterday they told me to **** off. The guy even had the audacity to tell me that my vehicle no longer has any issues whereas it does (based upon comments made by a service tech that doesn't even put cars back together before returning them to the customer). Now my hand is being forced to make this a legal matter. I'd just love to see how ****ing cordial you'd be at this point if you'd had to deal with the issues I've had to deal with. So yeah dude, amongst the engine failure, months of CEL's, numerous manufacturer defects and workmanship related issues, and the fact that I still have a vehicle thats ****ed up at the end of the day while SOA is telling me its not, I am still pissed. Honestly, if they'd have replaced my engine and I had no further problems I wouldn't be here anymore either.
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I tried to work with SOA for more than a month in a cordial manner. As of yesterday they told me to **** off. The guy even had the audacity to tell me that my vehicle no longer has any issues whereas it does (based upon comments made by a service tech that doesn't even put cars back together before returning them to the customer). Now my hand is being forced to make this a legal matter. I'd just love to see how ****ing cordial you'd be at this point if you'd had to deal with the issues I've had to deal with. So yeah dude, amongst the engine failure, months of CEL's, numerous manufacturer defects and workmanship related issues, and the fact that I still have a vehicle thats ****ed up at the end of the day while SOA is telling me its not, I am still pissed. Honestly, if they'd have replaced my engine and I had no further problems I wouldn't be here anymore either.
Well, it sucks... But you might wanna find out who the regional service manager is, and ask them when they will be at your dealer so you can show them your car in person, and walk through all the issues. Or, take the car to a different deal for a second opinion.
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I drive an 02 bugeye wagon, the 09 was for wifey. We had a battle last night regarding backing out of this vehicle. I lost the fight and she is driving it today. At least mine looks better & will probably last longer.
DOH!!! If momma ain't happy, nobody's happy. Good luck brother. Hope the engine goes sooner, rather than later so you can get it over with. by the way, your's may last longer, but her's is faster. Have fun man. Later.
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If anything happens, you probably won't have any issues. Get your oil changed at the proper intervals, break in the engine for a 1K (even though they said don't worry about it) and be polite, yet straigh-forward if you experience the problem. As Celly said, 99.9% of us on here that have gone through this have been taken care of in a very good way. Some of the "new" engine problems I've seen on here have to be local dealer issues, not SoA issues. I am approaching a 1k on the new engine and all seems to be going well. Only time will tell, but my apprehension is all but gone now. Enjoy it man and when she her car start to sound like a diesel, call roadside assistance and SoA right then to get the ball rolling. Good luck!

In Florida, the car has to be in the shop for the same issue 3 differnet times or for 30 days in the first 2 years for the same issue. At that point you are elligible for abitration and possible new vehicle replacemant or full refund. Like I said though, you probably won't need to go that route.

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I tried to work with SOA for more than a month in a cordial manner. As of yesterday they told me to **** off. The guy even had the audacity to tell me that my vehicle no longer has any issues whereas it does (based upon comments made by a service tech that doesn't even put cars back together before returning them to the customer). Now my hand is being forced to make this a legal matter. I'd just love to see how ****ing cordial you'd be at this point if you'd had to deal with the issues I've had to deal with. So yeah dude, amongst the engine failure, months of CEL's, numerous manufacturer defects and workmanship related issues, and the fact that I still have a vehicle thats ****ed up at the end of the day while SOA is telling me its not, I am still pissed. Honestly, if they'd have replaced my engine and I had no further problems I wouldn't be here anymore either.
Ash, we are having some luck working with our dealer. Subaru of America is kicking in $4500 toward our deal and the dealership is paying the difference so our car can be traded in on another one. They are not charging us any mileage offset (for trading in a used car for new). I would highly suggest you work with another dealership, because yours is obviously not working to resolve your issue. The biggest problem now is finding a new one we like, since the 09s are limited now and we dont have much selection to choose from.
If that doesn't work, definitely discuss it with a lemon law attorney. I found a really good one in CA who doesn't charge the customer, he bills Subaru. I don't know where you are located but if you are in CA let me know if you want the info. We still may use him if we can't find a replacement vehicle that we really like. I'll let you guys know what happens.
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I showed it all to her and all she had to say (almost crying)was don't ruin this for me and we will deal with the problem if it happens.
I did a lot of research before buying my 09. I found this thread and knew about the possible problems but I bought the car anyway. I had the same attitude as your wife, if something goes wrong I'll let SOA take care of it. I have been very happy with my treatment from SOA and the dealer that replaced my engine.

I just finished my 1000 mile break in period so now I can drive the car like I normally would.

As was said above, just let her know what to listen for. I knew what the problem sounded like so the day I started the car and heard the knocking I went into the house to call SOA. My car was turned around in one week.
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I have been working her for a year now to get "her " a new car. I planned on switching cars with her after a month or so. Now I don't even want the 09. I hope she enjoys it.
I guess now I need an up/downpipe and an AP for my 02.
Hmmm, the plot thickens. I think I feel your pain - you hoped she wouldn't like it to make the switch easer...but she loves it because its a freakin blast. Now she wants to keep the car that she loves and you don't - possibly the exact opposite outcome you'd bet on? Ouch...but I don't feel all of your pain because you have a wife who likes really fun, fast cars. Mine couldn't care less and sort of rolls her eyes!

I"m going out on a limb here...but if I had to guess, you are relatively new to the married life? Let me speak for the 20 year or so club by saying that ANYTHING THAT MAKES HER HAPPY WILL MAKE YOU HAPPY IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER!!!

The converse is even more true: WHATEVER PISSES HER OFF WILL, LIKE WATER FROM THAT LEAKY PIPE YOU HAVEN'T FIXED, EVENTUALLY COST YOU A LOT MORE THAN YOU BARGAINED FOR
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