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Old 02-10-2009, 08:18 PM   #51
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Thanks for all the info! got any informative links?
I would not learn how to reload from online sources.

Reloading books are very in depth, and give you all the straight facts from the professionals. Lots of idiots on the internet dispense bull____ and dangerous advice.

"I never resize my brass! It's worked just fine for me!"

"Max load data is bull****, i start my loads at 110% published values!"




http://www.ar15.com/content/page.html?id=399

ETA: If ya'll wanna get into loading cheap, i can lend out my tumbler. Just try to do research and plan out what to buy before you dive in. I overspent on my kit...
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Old 02-10-2009, 08:28 PM   #52
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It's pretty easy to pick up on. I bought myself a RCBS single stage kit, but i'd get a Lee kit to start off on, and pick up a progressive down the line.

Startup costs are expensive, but only a few thousand rounds later you'll have recouped it all.

Buy primers/powder in bulk, and with friends to save on hazmat charges.

The prices of ammo have spilled over to reloading components though. More noobs asking for reloading help than ever...

Generally, it's easier to load for rifle rounds than it is to load for pistols. A lot harder to completely mess up and blow your gun apart too. I'd start loading rifle rounds as a noob, and build confidence. Remember that reloads should stick to the lower side of published loads unless you REALLY know what you're doing.

Noobs trying to roll MK 262 Mod 1 clones out the gate = disaster.

Factories have access to much more consistent/controlled/tested components than off the shelf reloaders.

I wanted a reloader a long while back, then kind of decided it was too much of a pain.
At least the loaders I was looking at (550B dillon, rock chucker) hasn't changed much over the last decade.

I just came back from Sportsman's Warehouse, and they hardly have anything in stock.

On this topic, the stupid legislators in this state have put forth a bill for micro-stamping ammo. Which will drive up the prices even more. At least for now, the bill appears to be dead. I hope all you law abiding gun owners are voting.

http://www.leg.wa.gov/pub/billinfo/2...Bills/3359.pdf
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Old 02-10-2009, 09:13 PM   #53
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I would be down for this for sure if I was home. But I have quite a few places to shoot at here in Missoula.

Vecdran, I picked up a Kimber Pro TLE/RL II a few weeks ago and love it. If you read around Arfcom there is a lot of negative talk about Kimbers but I haven't had any issues. I guess you always see more negative responses than praises with anything though. My dad, however, has an Ultra CDP II that has had a few FTE issues.

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Old 02-11-2009, 12:00 AM   #54
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You using FMJ rounds for carry?
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Old 02-11-2009, 12:03 AM   #55
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You using FMJ rounds for carry?


Do people really need that much attention that they have to post pics of their guns?
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Old 02-11-2009, 12:09 AM   #56
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You using FMJ rounds for carry?
Absolutely not. That was before we went out shooting so I pulled out a mag with FMJs in it.

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Do people really need that much attention that they have to post pics of their guns?
As the topic of this conversation is guns and shooting, I figured it would be welcomed. I hope you never post pictures of your car online in a thread about cars. That would be silly.
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Old 02-11-2009, 12:12 AM   #57
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As the topic of this conversation is guns and shooting, I figured it would be welcomed. I hope you never post pictures of your car online in a thread about cars. That would be silly.
Nah, it's the posed pictures with the rounds laid out that irritate me.

And in all honesty, there are very few pictures of my car online.
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Old 02-11-2009, 12:19 AM   #58
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I'm down if I don't have to work on the day you guys decide on. I've been meaning to put some full power loads through my 10mm. No ftf's with the watered down stuff, but I'd like to see if she's still reliable with the hot stuff.
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Old 02-11-2009, 12:23 AM   #59
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Nah, it's the posed pictures with the rounds laid out that irritate me.
Meh, you wrote it like it was the act of posting the picture. Difference in preference I guess. It's like cleaning your car and finding a good place for a shoot. It must be cause I'm into photography.
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Old 02-11-2009, 12:28 AM   #60
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Meh, you wrote it like it was the act of posting the picture. Difference in preference I guess. It's like cleaning your car and finding a good place for a shoot. It must be cause I'm into photography.
I think that would be it. At least you have a good reason. You're exempt.

You know who I'm talking about then I hope.

That said, do we have a rough date? Number of folks who would go? Location(s)?

There's been a lot of talk but very little deciding or planning.

If indoor, I vote Champion Arms in Kent. Seem to be good folks there.
If outdoor, I vote Black Diamond (on a public shoot day) but that's because it's close to my house. Friday will be my first time there to check it out.
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Old 02-11-2009, 12:44 AM   #61
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Those type of pictures aren't uncommon on some of the gun forums. I guess it seems normal to me.

I'm down for Champion arms anytime, even with short notice. It's right around my house.

I know a nice secluded spot near Capital Forest down south. It is a nice open pit, and pretty big. Because of the location, few people visit it. There are two shooting pits there and one is usually busier than the other.

The higher pit is quite a drive though. Unless your Subie is lifted, I wouldn't recommend it.
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Old 02-11-2009, 01:04 AM   #62
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I am up for an NWIC shooting meet as long as I don't have to work that day. I cast my vote for a remote location in Enumclaw.
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Old 02-11-2009, 01:17 AM   #63
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I did suggest above Greenwater the weekend after next(21st/22nd).
If the others want to go indoors or BD outdoors, thats cool.
We all dont have to go to the same place or at the same time.
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Old 02-11-2009, 02:17 AM   #64
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I noticed alot of no shooting signs going up around outdoor shooting spots lately. Forest rangers are strapped now and that just seems like it could make for a sticky situation if it wasn't handled well. Plus the fine and punishment tagged on to that probably isn't worth the money you might save by not going to a range.
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Old 02-11-2009, 02:29 AM   #65
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21st works for me if ppl get the ball rolling...i prefer sat over sunday. however i am just one person.
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Old 02-11-2009, 02:44 AM   #66
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I know a nice secluded spot near Capital Forest down south. It is a nice open pit, and pretty big. Because of the location, few people visit it. There are two shooting pits there and one is usually busier than the other.

The higher pit is quite a drive though. Unless your Subie is lifted, I wouldn't recommend it.
Yeah... the roads up higher have really gone to hell over the last few years. insane number and size of potholes etc... really makes me sad. I used to go drive around up there at least once a month. now i rarely go into the gravel parts. Waddle Creek Rd is still one of my favorite roads for a spirited drive, though. I am VERY familiar with it.

That being said, I am definitely down for a trip up there for some shooting, seeing as it is very close to me.

However, I will only be able to make a range day if we have it on tues-thurs (my days off)...
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Old 02-11-2009, 03:35 AM   #67
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Nice AR 15, makes me wish i had some money to throw around to buy it..
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I noticed alot of no shooting signs going up around outdoor shooting spots lately. Forest rangers are strapped now and that just seems like it could make for a sticky situation if it wasn't handled well. Plus the fine and punishment tagged on to that probably isn't worth the money you might save by not going to a range.
Almost all of the National Forest are open for shooting.
Typical rules apply, like no shooting from a road etc.
Common sense applies in all applications.
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Almost all of the National Forest are open for shooting.
Typical rules apply, like no shooting from a road etc.
Common sense applies in all applications.
That's good to hear.

As the wet and cold season ends, and my expensive Wade's membership expires, i'd like to shoot outdoors a bit more, so my vote is definitely for a pit.
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I'm in for some shooting. Although the morning of the 21st i will be at Renton Fish and Game shooting IDPA.

For anyone that carries i recommend coming out for a match just to give it a try. Moving and shooting is tough.

You need a holster, in waist band or outside (No cross draw holsters) and a magazine pouch for 2 extra mags (Or stick them in your back pocket). Good to have 4 total mags, 1 for charging/toping off gun and 3 for the stage. Also need a cover garment that hides gun and mags. Normal jacket for the cold weather usually works.

Look on youtube for IDPA and Renton

And you can hop on the forum for the IDPA club at http://www.nwppaonline.org/

New shooters to Renton IDPA need to be there at 8:30 AM for a safety briefing and intro.

Match is $15 and about 125+/- rounds, Just bring like 200 to be on the safe side.

Also there will be a rifle side stage after the match.

PS: the range is a cold range so don't come with your gun loaded.

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That's why I also want to get some guns. I want to start going to shooting comps.
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Also go apply for your carry permit now. IT takes about a month to get it.

When you have one you don;t have the 5 day waiting period on handguns
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Nice AR 15, makes me wish i had some money to throw around to buy it..
That's the greatest thing about the AR-15, you don't have to buy the whole gun at once.
Just get a lower receiver. That requires a Federal Firearms license. The stamped serial lower is considered the "firearm."

The rest of the parts can be bought online without a FFL. You can piece meal the gun together as your budget allows.

I actually own a pre-ban Colt from the first ban. I was going to modify it, but it seems it is worth more untouched, so I'm building out a second rifle. Parts are hard to find, and lots of stuff is back ordered, but you can still get them if you search. The way things are going I might order a couple more lower receivers, as I'm thinking of maybe bulding a carbine in 9mm. 5.56 is expensive to shoot now.
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That's the greatest thing about the AR-15, you don't have to buy the whole gun at once.
Just get a lower receiver. That requires a Federal Firearms license. The stamped serial lower is considered the "firearm."

The rest of the parts can be bought online without a FFL. You can piece meal the gun together as your budget allows.

I actually own a pre-ban Colt from the first ban. I was going to modify it, but it seems it is worth more untouched, so I'm building out a second rifle. Parts are hard to find, and lots of stuff is back ordered, but you can still get them if you search. The way things are going I might order a couple more lower receivers, as I'm thinking of maybe bulding a carbine in 9mm. 5.56 is expensive to shoot now.
Ciener's patent ran out on his .22 kit. The stories of just how big of an jerk John Arthur Ciener are are hilarious.

"I'd like to get some spare parts please"
"BUY ANOTHER KIT" *hang up*



Buy yourself a Spike's Tactical/CMMG .22 kit and call it good. They are like $200 with a 25 round mag. Only thing is you gotta clean your gas tube more often, or at least fire a few full power 5.56 rounds to blow out the lead.
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My only problem with the kits, is it seems you can almost buy a complete seperate rifle for the same amount as the kit. I guess $200 isn't bad, but it's not that far a stretch from my Ruger 10/22 target.

I kind of like the idea of the 9mm carbine. While I think 5.56 for home self defense is a bit ridiculous, a 9mm carbine might be ok (and fun).

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e55_1234305715
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