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Old 04-07-2002, 09:43 AM   #1
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Default Rota Subzero's?

anyone know of a good website to purchase Rota Subzero's......i know of a few........just curious of which ones do good bussiness

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Old 04-07-2002, 10:02 AM   #2
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i question the durability of those subzeros...
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Old 04-07-2002, 11:19 AM   #3
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i question the durability of those subzeros...
What proof do you have they are any less durable then some other rims?
Just because they are reasonably priced?
I know more peple who have bent their OZ wheels then subzeros.

Gary Sheehan from Sheehan motor racing uses them so they can`t be too fragile.




I think Revolution Motorsports sells them for around $550 for a set.
Check out here: http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthr...hlight=subzero

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Old 04-07-2002, 11:20 AM   #4
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revolutions motorsports sells them through the vendor forums here. good price imo. i personally picked up a set from them also.

as for durability, they have proven themselves to be quite strong so far. Gary Sheehan uses them and he's bent a set of Advans before but has had no problem with the subzeros.
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Old 04-08-2002, 01:21 AM   #5
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I got mine through seriousauto.com, paid a little more but I actually have them now rather than much later. They were very good to work with.
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Old 04-08-2002, 02:15 AM   #6
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I got my 18" SubZero's thru Revolution Motorsports for $600. I'm *very* please with both the rim, and Revolution Motosports.

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Old 04-08-2002, 03:48 AM   #7
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I am extremely pleased with my wheels, got them through america's tire co. for 135/wheel.

As for the durability: its is probably well known that most japanese wheel companies have a good reputation for making overall strong and reliable wheels...and it is no different with RotaWheels. I knew rotas were pretty strong, so when i picked up one of the rims at the shop i was very surprised how extremely light it was.

Someone know the exact weight on the 17" subzero?
How about the stock 16" wrx wheel?
...the subzero seemed much lighter than my 16" wrx wheel.

heres direct link to subzero on rota's website...its a simple site, (and kinda slow).

By the way, i actually hit a curb at about a 45 degree angle (trying to get to the freeway exit at the last minute)....i was overtaking another car, so i was accelerating ..... i would say i was easily doing 80....pulled into a gas station (after realizing how lucky i was that i didn't flip my car) to survey the damage and i was surprised to find only some paint scratched off...no bends, not cracks.

I didnt' want to take any chances, took my car into the tireshop with my 16's and had them take the 17's off. Myself and 2 of the guys at the tire shop looked over my right front wheel, the one that hit the curb...(We even took the tire off completely to examine the wheel...) we found nothing wrong with it except the scratched paint (thats the only problem with black or gunmetal wheels....scratches show up too easily...you have to drive carefully, or you just have to not be an idiot like me)

Anyway, i have the kumho ecsta's 17"/225/45's on the rotas....and i believe i had them at 34 psi in the front when the impact happened.

the next day when i took my car in to get my 16's put on (cuz i was afraid to drive on those rims, fearing i would be driving on a cracked wheel), no tire pressure loss whatsoever. (We even took the tire off completely to examine the wheel...)

So, in my opinion:
A: damn good tire, that Kumho...provided very good protection to the wheel in that impact (i may have not been so lucky with a 40 profile)
B: damn good wheel, that subzero...cuz even tho it had a strong tire to protect the impact, that was a hard friggin' impact!

By the way, anyone know of a good touch up paint i could use on my gunmetal rotas ? (--scrathes suck, careful when you park next to a curb!)

--now that you've read all that....go buy your subzeros!...and you may all call me an idiot for doing that....go ahead...i deserve it.

(pics of the wheels post-impact avail. upon request)
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Old 04-08-2002, 03:55 AM   #8
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here are my wheels....and i know about that ugly gap in the wheel wells...i'm working on it.

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Old 04-08-2002, 03:59 AM   #9
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Old 04-08-2002, 06:10 AM   #10
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Alright here's my take on Rota's...

If you can afford better wheels, buy them. It doesn't take a rocket science to figure out that 18" wheels at 600$ a SET just doesn't add up. Rotas might be alright for every other joe schmoe car, but don't treat your subaru with such wreckless abandonment. Not being hubcentric is in my mind their BIGGEST down fall.

Basically this means that your lugs are supporting the weight of your car instead of your hub which was designed to support the weight of your car. That is a VERY simplified explination - Also centering the wheel with the lugnuts is just plain stupid.

Hey I agree, for 600$ for 18"s it's a STEAL but at what cost? I don't care which race car uses them, or which driver uses them - they are on a budget too, and have sponsors... Buy a wheel that is designed to go on your subaru. SLs (while yes they are known to bend easy) are designed for the sube, SSR comps, OZ P1s, and the like... the list is really pretty small unfortunately.

The old addage is true, and in this case you can't have your cake and eat it to. You can't have LIGHT, STRONG, PERFECT FITTING, DURABILITY, AND inexpensive, so the question is which ar eyou willing to give up?... I chose to go with a high end forged japanese wheel because I'd rather have the perfect fit, strength, durability, and light weight.

Oh yes, and please don't compare Rota's to "Well known japanese wheel companies" - Rota is using freaking Juno for email here in the states. Rota wheels are not forged, they are not even made in japan, they are cast alloy in the phillipines.

Their claim to strength and safety is that they hold iso 9001 and QS 9003 certifications, woopty freakin do, so did firestone (does still actually)

Here's the sum of my message. You can't compare Rota wheels either in quality, or design to a wheel maker like OZ, or BBS. How many years has BBS been making wheels for GP and F1 cars, how many years has OZ been producing wheels for rally cars? That's the kind of technology and background I'd rather have behind my wheels than "sheehan motor racing uses em" - Yes well the subaru rally team uses Speedline and OZ, Porsche OEMs wheels from BBS, Most (>50%) of sedans on the touring sedan series use Superturismos...

on a scale of 1-10 i give rotas a square 6ish simply because their cost to value is huge, their reputation is questionable at best, and I personally think the fit and finish on their wheels is rediculous, spray paint can quality (and yes, I have seen MANY MANY pairs in person)

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Old 04-08-2002, 06:54 AM   #11
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z- good reply there...i agree, the fact that the wheels aren't hubcentric is a big down fall

It'll help to get this remedied (for those of us who buy the early "non-hubcentric" subzero's )

But once that is taken care of, i think its an excellent wheel for the money. I'm happy with them.

Yes, if you can afford it, get higher quality wheels...but then again, not everyone CAN afford it, and these wheels have held up superbly for most of us here, from what i can see (i am still eagerly waiting to come across the first "cracked subzero" or "bent subzero" story...it'll happen, i know it will...just give it some time).

You had a reference to firestone in there...and yes if a big (and bad) issue concerning rota and these subzeros arises enough to hurt rota's reputation and sales as it did firestone's, i think the majority of us subzero owners will immediately start hunting for a replacement set of wheels...

I know rota isn't a huge japanese wheel company...but i didn't compare them to "Well known japanese wheel companies"
The point i was making when i referenced rota's durablility and reliability was obviously limited to my own opinion and knowledge. In fact the point i was making was "damn, from how strong these wheels seem, i am surprised how light they seem to weigh."

I personally dont think putting these wheels on my wrx is "treating it with reckless abandon".

I think if we find out later that these wheels have a one year life span tops, and they are prone to something like flying off your car while you are on the freeway.....and we keep them on the car...well i think THAT is treating your car with reckless abandon.

But bottom line is this, for the money they're darn good wheels.
(especially once they increase the hubcentric support)

Took them to the 1/4 mile drag strip 4 times since they been put on, one autox event, and a whole lot of hard driving elsewhere on the sunny streets of southern california....they seem to be able to hang just fine with my driving habits, so like i said in the beginning of my post, i'm happy with them.

I like that "JDM look" my gunmetal subzeros give me....i like better the fact that i spent much less than i thought i had to for decent wheels....and i'll re-emphasize that last term: DECENT WHEELS. No one ever said they were the best, or even just as good as top of the line wheels made for my subie.

...8k miles on my subzeros and they're still good to go...i'll let you all know when one of them flys off while i'm driving....and ZMW, no fair if you loosen my lugs in the middle of the night just so that'll happen...

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Old 04-08-2002, 08:02 AM   #12
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I don't know about the 18'' rims, but the 17'' rims ARE hubcentric now. The earlier models were not, however.

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Old 04-08-2002, 10:36 AM   #13
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Most all colors of the Rota SubZero's and Tarmac's are hubcentric now, at least in 17".
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Old 04-08-2002, 11:34 AM   #14
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Well it's about stinkin time....

Yellow:

It was late last night I was probably a bit harsh using the term wreckless abandonment. I guess what I am tired of hearing is Rota this, Rota that when in reality, you said it well they are decent at best. IF they are now hubcentric then good for them and it's a huge step in the right direction - but there is still the cost factor. 600$ for 18"s still doesn't add up.... The reality of it is that the wheels I just bought probably COST more than that to produce So for the sake of argument lets say it costs PIWA about 75$ each to produce a wheel in the phillipines - 20$ each to ship to the states. That's 95$ cost.... it might even be lower than that. I don't know about you, but a wheel that can be produced for 75$ or less scares the crap out of me when I am putting it on my car that was 24k$ before i started modding. (I use the 75$ figure arbitrarily assuming all the wheels are shipped from the phillipines to CA distributor "cosmic" - given them a 10-15$ profit each wheel to their vendors, vendors getting 10-15$ profit on each sell)

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Old 04-08-2002, 11:56 AM   #15
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Why can't the jealous whiners, that have never even seen a Rota wheel, quit complaining how 'weak and dangerous' they are just because they are relatively inexpensive.
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Why do you think it would cost $75 to make a wheel? They just need to pour metal into a mold, polish it for 5 minutes, paint it, and ship it off. As far as startup costs go, they're shipping a ton of these, so I'd think those costs would be mostly ofset by now...

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Old 04-08-2002, 12:21 PM   #17
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zmw,

There's one thing to consider in all your calculations. They are not breaking, or bending or exploding. People using these wheels without hubcentric centers are not getting wheel vibration, shearing studs or losing wheels.

Yes there are more expensive wheels out there. Yes, they may be stronger. BUT, if the Rotas aren't getting bent or breaking, why the heck do you need a stronger wheel?! Can you say overkill?

We use these on our race car. We love them. Yes we are on a budget. But our non-hubcentric 17" x 7.5" wheels fit perfectly, roll smoothly, put up with my abuse on the track and are only about 16 pounds each. The ONLY reason I would ever consider buying one of those more expensive wheels for my race car is to shed a couple more pounds per wheel. That's the main reason all the top racing teams are running ultra expensive wheels...weight.

Also remember that stronger doesn't mean indestructible. So, if you hit that monster pothole or hit a curb really hard because you did something you shouldn't have, you are going to have a very expensive bent wheel to replace rather than an affordable wheel to replace.

So here's my take on wheels. If you really like the look or name brand of some of those really expensive wheels, go get them. Buying what we like to look at is what we're all about. Regarding any wheel that's not hubcentric - relax, if you like the wheel, get it and slap some hubcentric rings in there if it will make you comfortable, what's another $10. But don't stray away from the Rota wheels based on some peoples claims on lack of strength. It's unwarranted. The real truth is that a LOT of these wheels have been sold to Subaru folks over the past year, and I can't recall a single complaint regarding the strength of these wheels.

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Based on what?

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Errr....

The poster DIDN'T make this comparison.

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[b]Alright here's my take on Rota's...

You can't compare Rota wheels either in quality, or design to a wheel maker like OZ, or BBS. How many years has BBS been making wheels for GP and F1 cars, how many years has OZ been producing wheels for rally cars?
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Then it must scare the crap out of you that hundreds of thousands of Japanese cars on the road drive on Rota wheels, as they are a huge manufacturer of OEM wheels for Japanese companies.

I'm sorry if you can't add this all up. Maybe the problem is that you just don't have any actual data to start with. You'd be surprised at how cheaply parts can be manufactured, especially when you mass produce them.

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Well it's about stinkin time....

Yellow:

It was late last night I was probably a bit harsh using the term wreckless abandonment. I guess what I am tired of hearing is Rota this, Rota that when in reality, you said it well they are decent at best. IF they are now hubcentric then good for them and it's a huge step in the right direction - but there is still the cost factor. 600$ for 18"s still doesn't add up.... The reality of it is that the wheels I just bought probably COST more than that to produce So for the sake of argument lets say it costs PIWA about 75$ each to produce a wheel in the phillipines - 20$ each to ship to the states. That's 95$ cost.... it might even be lower than that. I don't know about you, but a wheel that can be produced for 75$ or less scares the crap out of me when I am putting it on my car that was 24k$ before i started modding. (I use the 75$ figure arbitrarily assuming all the wheels are shipped from the phillipines to CA distributor "cosmic" - given them a 10-15$ profit each wheel to their vendors, vendors getting 10-15$ profit on each sell)

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ZMW, we are all entitled to our opinions; however, your logic reminds me of the logic used by those that go around trashing Auto Meter gauges as being junk just because they cost of fraction of what Greddy, Apexi, Blitz, etc. cost. That sort of thinking is to be expected I guess when it comes to import cars. I've noticed that import owners seem to get off on how much something costs. Whatever...

I have owned two set of Subzeros - 17" & 18". Upon close (i.e. nose down in the wheel) scrutiny of the 17" wheels I found 1 imperfection. It was definitely nothing that I would consider wanting a replacement over. The 18" wheels I got are perfect - no imperfections.

From my experience, I think the only thing I would look closely at with these wheels is the finish to make sure it is right. To question their build quality, safety or durability is way off base in my opinion.

I'll give you an example: when I had the 18's mounted with tires the tech raved about how well they spun out. Each wheel required minimal weight. I confirmed what he said on the interstate this past weekend at 90mph as the wheels were smooth as can be. If you still think this "doesn't add up" then I'm not sure what to say.

I agree, no-one in their right mind should buy these wheels. They are really ugly. Buy some OZ wheels or something...

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Old 04-08-2002, 01:46 PM   #22
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Thumbs down zmw's opinion

zmw if you have owned a set of Rota Subzeros that you have driven on a daily basis, and they have failed or become damaged in any way due to normal driving or racing usage, then you would have undeniable evidence and testimony that the Rota wheel manufacture from the Phillipines are crap.

Right now there are too many happy customers from myself to Gary Sheehan to Yellow5 who have used them on a daily basis both on and off the track. The only complaint that I have been able to gather is the quality of the paint and finish of the wheel - a COSMETIC complaint that has no bearing whatsoever to do with the integrity or fitment of the wheels. Nobody has yet to complain about the structural integrity of these wheels yet, and nobody has had a Rota wheel fail on them either - only you, but your complaints about the Rotas are all opinion and speculation.

Yes, they are extremely competitively priced. Yes, they are cast wheels, yes they are not made in Japan, but does that make the prone to failure. The evidence doe not support this hypothesis. I do believe that the stock WRX and RS wheels, although are fairly light for 16" wheels, are CAST wheels!

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Which companies use Rota as an OEM supplier?
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Old 04-08-2002, 05:45 PM   #24
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According to a letter from Rota Customer Service that was posted in another thread; Toyota, Nissan, Mitsubishi, BMW, Ford, Isuzu, Mazda and Kia.

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As far as the hubcentric thing goes Z doesnt have a clue.No they arent hubcentric,,weight on the hub??? what the f###?? You guys think that little peice of plastic supports weight???? And you shouldn't put your lugs on in a star pattern??Why does every manufacturer tell you to do that in there manual???To center the wheel properly.Doh! Thats all the rings do! Center the wheel!
Maybe Z just spent some big dough on Oz or BBS wheels,,buyers remorse maybe ?
I like the Rotas so do others
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