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Old 02-10-2009, 08:14 PM   #1
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Well, iv decided to buy a project car for the spring/summer to have some fun and possibly go somewhere within the sport of drifting or autocross. I didnt say i will so calm down everyone. Im torn between the two because i love both but i have only participated in one autocross event, iv drifted a little with some of my friends cars and i really like them both. Im just not sure which one i should do lol. Im ownderign if anyone here does any of them and which one is cheaper. I know both of them will need alot of money but im just wondering how much $$$ ill be expecting to pay for events, tires, parts and etc. If anyone competes in either could you just give me some advice?
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Old 02-10-2009, 08:26 PM   #2
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Drifting will be far more abusive to the car. I can't quantify that, but the difference in tire budget should be obvious.

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Old 02-10-2009, 08:43 PM   #3
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autocrosses will probably be easier to come by-and probably cheaper if you're worried about the price.
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Old 02-10-2009, 09:08 PM   #4
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autocrosses will probably be easier to come by-and probably cheaper if you're worried about the price.
What do you mean easier to come by? My local track has more drift events scheduled then autocross lol if that what you mean.....
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Old 02-10-2009, 09:44 PM   #5
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what do u want to do?
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Old 02-10-2009, 09:50 PM   #6
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hahaha i would love to do both lol....if i were to get into autocross what cars should i be looking at for a good performance
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Old 02-10-2009, 10:10 PM   #7
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What do you mean easier to come by? My local track has more drift events scheduled then autocross lol if that what you mean.....
The track doesn't schedule autoxes. Those are usually handled by a local club. And not only that, the need for a 'track' doesn't exist with auto-x. Just any large parking lot is fine.

Since you're in TriState, check out http://www.autox4u.com for the club that may be closest.

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Old 02-10-2009, 10:13 PM   #8
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hahaha i would love to do both lol....if i were to get into autocross what cars should i be looking at for a good performance
I guess the question is just how much do you want to spend? I'm assuming you're not interested in the stock classes. The 1989 Honda Civic Si in STS is one of the cheapest ways to get a car that could win at Topeka. Of course, if you go with a cheap RWD car, you could both autocross and drift. I figure you'd need a class that lets you swap diffs, so that means STX/STU or stepping it up to Street Prepared. A CSP Miata shouldn't be too heavy on the wallet, or an STX 240SX (a chassis that won Nationals one year in STS). An E36 BMW could also be a good STX/drift car. Actually, a stock S2000 could maybe do both.

If you do both, obviously there will probably be compromises in one or the other. Probably two different damper/alignment settings will be required. But, unless you are thinking about no kidding taking a run at a national championship, you might as well go for cheap RWD fun and learn both. Seat time is seat time, after all.
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Old 02-10-2009, 10:25 PM   #9
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Why not give karting a try? For the price of a drift\auto-x car build, you can get a used race kart and possibly a hauler as well (any full size truck or delivery van will do). I've been karting for about three years now and hands down you get the most seat time for the money in this sport. I've done time trials and autocross and neither comes close to the rush you get from wheel-to-wheel kart racing.
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Old 02-10-2009, 10:36 PM   #10
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I guess the question is just how much do you want to spend? I'm assuming you're not interested in the stock classes. The 1989 Honda Civic Si in STS is one of the cheapest ways to get a car that could win at Topeka. Of course, if you go with a cheap RWD car, you could both autocross and drift. I figure you'd need a class that lets you swap diffs, so that means STX/STU or stepping it up to Street Prepared. A CSP Miata shouldn't be too heavy on the wallet, or an STX 240SX (a chassis that won Nationals one year in STS). An E36 BMW could also be a good STX/drift car. Actually, a stock S2000 could maybe do both.

If you do both, obviously there will probably be compromises in one or the other. Probably two different damper/alignment settings will be required. But, unless you are thinking about no kidding taking a run at a national championship, you might as well go for cheap RWD fun and learn both. Seat time is seat time, after all.
Id like to win some championships, but if i were to do both what cars should i look at for both lol. I dont think that a 240sx or a 180 would be a good decision for auto x
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Old 02-10-2009, 11:26 PM   #11
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A 240SX could be a great ST or STX car, probably with a lot of the same mods you'd use on a drift car. (The setup would be different obviously) It would mean staying with just bolt ons as far as engine mods go though.
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Old 02-10-2009, 11:49 PM   #12
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I'd get a miata, buy parts from these people:

http://www.flyinmiata.com/

Do you think you'd enjoy autocross? I did it for awhile and once I started hitting the track, well I just don't any more. I just don't have the obsessive, detail oriented mindset needed to do well in an Autocross.

If I wasn't hip deep in subaru's, I'd love to get another miata.
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Old 02-11-2009, 12:36 AM   #13
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Drift... s13's are easy to come by and cheap money, and u can swap anything you heart wants into them..

buddy has an s13 with an SR20, I had an RB20DET in mine a while back, which if ur in the MA area you might see rolling around, I have seen various LS-x Swaps from Corvettes, VQ series motors.. there is alot you can do with them.

Even the stock KA24DE is bullet proof, and they are 50/50 weight distribution stock.

Some food for thought
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Old 02-11-2009, 01:20 AM   #14
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If you want to spend time working on a project car then go with drifting.

If you want to spend time working on your driving then go with autocross.
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Old 02-11-2009, 02:51 AM   #15
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Do you think you'd enjoy autocross? I did it for awhile and once I started hitting the track, well I just don't any more. I just don't have the obsessive, detail oriented mindset needed to do well in an Autocross.

If I wasn't hip deep in subaru's, I'd love to get another miata.
miata ftw! or KC's civic he's selling, uber cheap I might add.

Im just finishing up building a spec miata, and some friends are trying to get me to take it to a couple drift days. The shells are cheap, parts are cheap, there's a huge community to use for resources and knowledge. and they feel fun as hell to drive even though they are slow
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Where is the rallycross option?
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No rallycross that I'm aware of in this area.
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autocross would have my vote. At least in my area, its a more common sport then drift events lol.
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Old 02-11-2009, 12:24 PM   #19
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Autocross.. for practicality.
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If you want to do both... start with autocross. The driving skills you'll gain there will pay dividends with whatever you want to do after that.
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Old 02-11-2009, 12:37 PM   #21
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Rallycross is the best compromise of both IMHO.

You get to slide around the place and a driver does not need the best equipment to win.

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Old 02-11-2009, 01:39 PM   #22
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Rallycross is the best compromise of both IMHO.

You get to slide around the place and a driver does not need the best equipment to win.
You don't need the best equipment in auto-x either, but there *is* much less sliding.

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Old 02-11-2009, 02:18 PM   #23
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+1 for autocross because it's more practical. It costs less and you can do it in a daily driver. Plus, the competition is more rewarding as it doesn't require judging.
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Set aside your budget for a tow vehicle, trailer and gas/lodging for events. Those will easily be more than the cost of your first car, be it autoX or drifting.

What's that? you say you can't afford a tow vehicle and a trailer? Then the decision is simple to stick with autoX as the risk of causing enough damage to a drift car to make it undriveable is MUCH higher than it is to an autoX car.
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Can you even setup a car to do both competitively?

I might be biased, but how about a 4th gen Camaro or TransAm They make very competitive ESP cars. Just don't set them up wrong like I did and end up in SM.

Not sure how much a good limited slip differential for autox like T2R or Auburn would be in drifting since those diffs are made for you to help gain traction. In drifting you don't want traction.
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