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Old 09-26-2011, 07:35 PM   #1176
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i am also thinking/dreaming of the teraflex 2.5 inch lift... death wabble scares the crap out of me, it seems like the smaller lifts can give you close to stock drive characteristics on the road. i cant do the install myself, so i am trusting the safety of me and my family to someone else... like you mentioned, with a bigger lift, you have to worry about all the extra stuff. it gets expensive fast. will flat fender flares give you the extra clearance you are looking for?

Have fun with all that travel. are you pretty much on the road two months out of the year? i guess it depends on the person, if i were single, i would love it. Being settled down, i would be bummed out spending that much time on the road unless it was spread out through the year. good luck with your build.
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Old 09-26-2011, 07:48 PM   #1177
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You didn't get a Rubicon, right? (Where are your locker plans?!)
Correct. Right now I have the Trac-Lok rear LSD that comes with the 24S package (includes 3.73 gears), which should suffice for the time being. The weak link in this whole thing, to me, is the D30 front axle. The rear is a D44 and I have confidence in it... for what I will throw at it. I'm going to have to regear when I go to the 315's... so that sort of implies upgrading the front axle even though I can fit the 5.13 in the D30. When I chose the Sport over the Rubicon, part of that decision was knowing that I would eventually upgrade the front axle.

I'm keen to picking up a front D44 and Rock-Trac (including the Tru-Lock e-lockers) from a Rubicon, which can be easily sourced from any of the various JK forums or, in the worst case scenario, from MOPAR. I also think about just going with what I got now and replace it when/if I break it. I don't think that will happen... but who knows. It only takes one bad move. As soon as I think about rolling the dice... I come back to the near in-drivability of the 3.73 gear set with the 4-speed automatic and 315's, the need to regear, and the gaping vagina that is the D30.
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you planning to do some dicey stuff? I had the "offroad package" on my TJ which was a Dana 44 rear, lower gear and 30" tires. We did some pretty crazy stuff and the rig never failed to impress without a single mod to it. Trails out east are narrow and muddy compared to out west though.
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Old 09-26-2011, 08:13 PM   #1179
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you planning to do some dicey stuff? I had the "offroad package" on my TJ which was a Dana 44 rear, lower gear and 30" tires. We did some pretty crazy stuff and the rig never failed to impress without a single mod to it. Trails out east are narrow and muddy compared to out west though.
The D30 should be fine... it can be fortified a bit, but, to me, it feels like I'm polishing a turd. I'd rather be safe than sorry. I don't want to snap the D30 and be stuck in the middle of or alongside a mountain pass... only to be eaten by a mountain lion because we all know how sweet I am.

Looking at the trails I plan on taking for camping and fun, a lift and 33's are going to be necessary and some of those trails may be really hard to navigate with that setup. The windfall of "needing" to go with a 3-ish inch lift and 35's is that if I am going to drive this thing on the highway to and from the trail, I am going to have to regear. I can't go any lower than 5.13:1 with the D30 and even then I don't have a great deal faith in it. Mountain lions scare me.
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Old 09-26-2011, 08:36 PM   #1180
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<--- never went anywhere out east here where the stock jeep had less capabilities than I had balls to try. That said, we did some dicey ****. Even let my wife drive on this one
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Old 09-26-2011, 08:37 PM   #1181
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What mods do you have on your Jeep?

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All depends on what your doing with it... details please.

Street...offroad... how much of each.. what kind of offroad... where do you live...
Mostly street. This is my first Jeep, so I have no offroad experience whatsoever, but I would like to experiment and get dirty. I live in South Jersey near the Pine Barrens.

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The MB72 is a sharp wheel, just like the Crager Soft-8.

As for tires... I still like the DuraTracs, even with a relatively shorter tread life as compared to some other tires. BFG makes a good tire as well. Nitto makes a couple decent tires as well.
Yeah, I liked both, but I just liked the finish on the MB72 better. I heard the Duratracs were good, as well as the BFG. I want AT tires, but really I need something that will tear through snow without a problem, last at least 40,000 miles, and not be noisy as hell on the highway.

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Even with the fake bolts, those are pretty sweet.

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I don't want to go overboard on the lift, but I want to do it right, so I will probably knock it out all at once: 2.5" TeraFlex suspension lift, 1" body lift (I may wait and do this myself later in the spring), new shocks/gussets/sleeves and a regear to 5.13:1. I'm wavering on a new front axle (I want to hold off as long as possible) and I am hoping that with only going 2.5" on the suspension lift I can spare myself on replacing the driveshafts right now. Naturally, I would like to go a bit taller on the suspension lift... but I am not comfortable with all of the associated stuff that really needs to be done at the same time. Additionally, I don't really see where I would ever need that much lift. It seems to me that if you are going to go 3" or 4"... you might as well go for broke and go long-arm and 5 or 6" which is $Texas.
How much of that is easy to install yourself?

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Correct. Right now I have the Trac-Lok rear LSD that comes with the 24S package (includes 3.73 gears), which should suffice for the time being. The weak link in this whole thing, to me, is the D30 front axle. The rear is a D44 and I have confidence in it... for what I will throw at it. I'm going to have to regear when I go to the 315's... so that sort of implies upgrading the front axle even though I can fit the 5.13 in the D30. When I chose the Sport over the Rubicon, part of that decision was knowing that I would eventually upgrade the front axle.

I'm keen to picking up a front D44 and Rock-Trac (including the Tru-Lock e-lockers) from a Rubicon, which can be easily sourced from any of the various JK forums or, in the worst case scenario, from MOPAR. I also think about just going with what I got now and replace it when/if I break it. I don't think that will happen... but who knows. It only takes one bad move. As soon as I think about rolling the dice... I come back to the near in-drivability of the 3.73 gear set with the 4-speed automatic and 315's, the need to regear, and the gaping vagina that is the D30.
Ugh, I got away from import cars to get away from the temptation to mod a vehicle. I got a Jeep and it's all coming back again. Damn I want a regear also!
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Old 09-26-2011, 09:15 PM   #1182
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Mostly street. This is my first Jeep, so I have no offroad experience whatsoever, but I would like to experiment and get dirty. I live in South Jersey near the Pine Barrens.
Hankook Dynapro ATM

These seem to be a very popular AT for reasonable entry fee. A lot of Land Cruiser people are running these with positive reviews. Sounds like it should fit your bill for majority road driving and light to moderate wheeling.

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Just realize there is a promotion for Bridgestone Dueler A/T Revo 2, buy 4 and get a $100 card from AMEX. They are definitely worth looking at, these are awesome tires.

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Old 09-26-2011, 09:20 PM   #1183
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Back to the topic of wheels... if I didn't go with the Walker Evans' I would have been all over matte black Crager Soft-8s at $100-ish a pop for 17". Cheap and effective. .
This has absolutely nothing to do with the scope of this thread...but I've thought about buying the Soft-8's for my '72 Plymouth.
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How much of that is easy to install yourself?
I can do the lifting myself. I'm not going to try an axle swap... or the regear.

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It's the best modification you'll do, especially given the oversized tires. You should be able to get it done for a grand.

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This has absolutely nothing to do with the scope of this thread...but I've thought about buying the Soft-8's for my '72 Plymouth.
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Old 09-27-2011, 10:22 AM   #1185
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What mods do you have on your Jeep?
Here-
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f22/y...build-1251521/


I dropped off my 8.8 and HPD30 for 4.56's and lockers last week.



Joe- Why not a axle swap? Not much harder than a lift to do. You should be good at separating things.


Regarding wheels- I wouldn't buy anything too nice- spend money elsewhere. I like my black steelies esp when I am out on the trail.


Regarding all the JK talk... Just do this and don't look back. Anything else is is just a lesser solution-
http://shop.savvyoffroad.com/product...4&categoryId=2

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Old 09-27-2011, 10:35 AM   #1186
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Joe- Why not a axle swap? Not much harder than a lift to do. You should be good at separating things.
I've never done an axle swap, thus I am reticent to just have at it. I've done a few suspension lifts and one body lift before.

It's nice to see that we're still making the same jokes... almost a year after the fact.
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I fully believe that even if you do light to moderate wheeling, that the first mod to any Wrangler should be throwing the D30 in the garbage.
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Really that long, dayum? I couldn't help myself, immaturity runs high in the morning.


Anyways, it's not much if at all harder than a suspension lift.

In regards to JK and regear- I heard there is some issue with ECU I would look into that.


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I fully believe that even if you do light to moderate wheeling, that the first mod to any Wrangler should be throwing the D30 in the garbage.
Built HP D30's can go plenty far.
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Old 09-27-2011, 10:41 AM   #1189
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Really that long, dayum? I couldn't help myself, immaturity runs high in the morning.


Anyways, it's not much if at all harder than a suspension lift.

In regards to JK and regear- I heard there is some issue with ECU I would look into that.
There was a lag between occurrence and public knowledge, but yeah.

I can see me doing a direct swap, but if I have to do the regear as well... I'll just have my local shop do it. I look at it like this: I am sure I could rewire a house, but I don't want to burn it down to find out.

The only issue that I know of with the '11 JK ECU is that it hasn't been cracked for reprogramming, you can still navigate the changes with a ProCal. Rumor has it that JET may have cracked the encryption on the '11. The '07 - '10 ECU is reprogrammable and there are a few options. As much as the extra power would be nice, being able to compensate for a regear and larger tires should suffice.

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The premise of the argument still is that do you want the weakest link of the drivetrain being the front axle? For dry land, expedition-style driving... I wouldn't have a problem with the D30.
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Old 09-27-2011, 10:45 AM   #1190
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In regards to JK and regear- I heard there is some issue with ECU I would look into that.

Built HP D30's can go plenty far.
They are better than the LPs. You just have to dump so much money into the shafts that its easier to just get rid of it altogether.

I'm no Jeep guy, but IIRC the issue with regearing JK's is with the tone rings.
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Yeah, I don't really know about it I would just make sure that you have a clear path before buying things haphazardly.

On Jeep Forum there is a TJ "worst mods" thread, if there is a JK one I would spend some time clicking through it.
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Old 09-27-2011, 10:46 AM   #1192
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They are better than the LPs. You just have to dump so much money into the shafts that its easier to just get rid of it altogether.
I guess. It's super hard to find a Front 44 for reasonable cash. I don't want go tons. I found a HPD30 for $150. Even with all Chromo shafts it's a cheap reasonably reliable option. We will see how far I can push it.
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That's what I got my 30-spline front 44 for. Granted, its a out of a mid 90's Ram but I'd still rather go with it over a 30. Even if a 30 was wide enough for my application I still would have shopped around.
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Understood, but in New England axles are hard to come by. Plus there are a huge amount of guys on JF running beefed up HPD30's with 35's.
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Back to the topic of wheels... if I didn't go with the Walker Evans' I would have been all over matte black Crager Soft-8s at $100-ish a pop for 17".

Gotta be careful with beadlocks on the street.. they are hard to center up.. and generally illegal... depending on the state of course. Just check your bolts regularly.
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Old 09-27-2011, 11:55 AM   #1196
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i am also thinking/dreaming of the teraflex 2.5 inch lift... death wabble scares the crap out of me, it seems like the smaller lifts can give you close to stock drive characteristics on the road.
1st off lift height has nothing to do with death wobble.

Its cause by either

1. broken or bent steering components
2. broken or bent front suspension components
3. bad alignment
4. tire balance

All are easily handled if installed and maintained correctly.

I have approx 7.5" of suspension on my yj... and I drive it with 1 thumb, its smooth as glass, and a monster offroad.

Remember when you lift something you are completely re-designing a vehicles suspension.. and it HAS to be done right.
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Mostly street. This is my first Jeep, so I have no offroad experience whatsoever, but I would like to experiment and get dirty. I live in South Jersey near the Pine Barrens.
Then what you want is a somewhat aggressive multi use tire.

I reccomend the goodyear MTR Kevlars personally... good sidewall strength, ride great on road... stick like glue offroad, they are what I use. Just remember if you try hard enough you can cut these, they aren't as bulletproof as the purpose built tires.



Since you ill be mostly street stay away form the super heavy duty offroad tires... like super swampers, pit bulls, or bfg krawlers... they look nice, but ride like crap, and will eat your gas mileage.

For anyone who offroads their jeep I recommend centramatic balancers... since everytime you hit the trail your balance shifts a little (loose a lil rubber add a lil mud).. and these auto compensate...WAY extends the life of the tire, and helps the ride.

www.centramatic.com

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I can do the lifting myself. I'm not going to try an axle swap... or the regear.
$300 ill re-gear you.. if your in va, thats just labor btw And on a non JK axle... those thing suck to work on.
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$300 ill re-gear you.. if your in va, thats just labor btw And on a non JK axle... those thing suck to work on.
If I am going to drive that far... I'll just stop by my brother's shop and do the install with him for free. Thanks though, you're a sweetheart.
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