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Old 10-31-2011, 03:26 PM   #1476
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Old 10-31-2011, 03:26 PM   #1477
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enormous POS.
how so? for a third vehicle that sees little daily driving duties?
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Old 10-31-2011, 03:26 PM   #1478
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Nice. Those AEV kits are pretty awesome. Here's a similar truck I've been following on Pirate, mostly because of how ridiculous it is. Stretched, linked on Mogs with a 12v Cummins.
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Old 10-31-2011, 03:27 PM   #1479
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That's a pavement queen if I've ever seen one.
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Old 10-31-2011, 03:31 PM   #1480
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how so? for a third vehicle that sees little daily driving duties?

if you like overly complicated drivetrains, staggering depreciation, huge blindspots and awful acceleration, stability and wheel-a-bility, go for it.

they are slugs. there is a reason that they didnt sell well.

they also have lots of electrical gremlins that are awesome to play with.

as for that fsj - way way way overpriced.

if you want a project 71 that is already lifted, i found one down here with a solid frame and mostly solid panels. just needs some love and about 5K to be identical to that truck or better.
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Old 10-31-2011, 03:34 PM   #1481
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enormous POS.
Besides the elctrical gremlins, shutting off while driving, and water leakage into the interior, they are solid SUVs.
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Old 10-31-2011, 03:36 PM   #1482
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What's the consensus on the Commander?
Wasn't it the CEO of Jeep who said it was crap? I think they sold like 45 of them.

Sorry it was "unfit for human consumption". "We sold some, but I don’t know why people bought them."

http://www.torquenews.com/109/chrysl...ommander-quote

http://www.caradvice.com.au/98854/je...nsumption-ceo/
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Old 10-31-2011, 03:40 PM   #1483
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keep in mind, I nearly bought this SJ for $15k earlier this month:
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Besides the elctrical gremlins, shutting off while driving, and water leakage into the interior, they are solid SUVs.


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Wasn't it the CEO of Jeep who said it was crap? I think they sold like 45 of them.

Sorry it was "unfit for human consumption". "We sold some, but I don’t know why people bought them."

http://www.torquenews.com/109/chrysl...ommander-quote

http://www.caradvice.com.au/98854/je...nsumption-ceo/
Holy ****.
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Old 10-31-2011, 03:41 PM   #1484
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That's a pavement queen if I've ever seen one.
It probably won't see any real use, but it is properly built and I'm sure it would perform pretty well. The ride height needs to be significantly lower, but I don't think it is complete yet.
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Old 10-31-2011, 03:43 PM   #1485
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as for that fsj - way way way overpriced.
Well....its hard to tell what was fair as there are like two in the country in that condition (including that one). It had a new interior, 87k miles and with a full Edelbrock build under the hood. Dude had $50k in receipts and was hoping to just recover the $12k he spent on the motor build.

It was super clean but that was the conundrum; too nice to wheel it.
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Old 10-31-2011, 03:43 PM   #1486
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Wasn't it the CEO of Jeep who said it was crap? I think they sold like 45 of them.

Sorry it was "unfit for human consumption". "We sold some, but I donít know why people bought them."

http://www.torquenews.com/109/chrysl...ommander-quote

http://www.caradvice.com.au/98854/je...nsumption-ceo/
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Old 10-31-2011, 03:45 PM   #1487
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Holy ****.
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that's pretty bad.
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Old 10-31-2011, 03:47 PM   #1488
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Just talked to the owner of that LJ and it's still available. Told him I'm going to have to wait a couple of weeks until I come check it out and he was cool.

Now I just have to hope no one snatches up between now and then.
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Old 10-31-2011, 04:17 PM   #1489
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how so? for a third vehicle that sees little daily driving duties?
In my opinion, if you want to spend $15k on a capable 7-seater, look into an earlier model 100-series Land Cruiser that has been sorted out with full maintenance. I think the only MY to be concerned about is the 99, they had some early transmission failures. Later model 100-series had more finicky problems like AHC (height control) and standard NAV.

Timing belt is the biggest service at about 90k miles. I've seen plenty of 100-series on MUD that is quite nice at your budget or less. They are plenty capable and once you're done with them, you'll end up with most of your money back. They are quite desirable so it wouldn't take 12 months to sell it like a Jeep. With your price range, I'd say look for one with around 120k miles.

People that shop for used Land Cruisers usually know what to look for, the ones with a binder full of regular maintenance are the first ones to be sold, just don't look for the cheapest LC (which for a 100-series, is around $10k).

What you can't expect is a HEMI-equipped type acceleration. The 4.7L V8 in the 100-series is no sledgehammer. They are plenty capable to tow a decent amount and will move down the highway just fine. Highway economy is ~17mpg from general consensus. They are nick trucks.
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Old 10-31-2011, 04:24 PM   #1490
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Had a blast this weekend. Did a club event with the obstacle course I posted up before and also did a cool trail relatively close to home that goes up the side of a mountain next to a really neat stream. All around a great Jeep day.











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Old 10-31-2011, 05:49 PM   #1491
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Not yet, I'm going to have to wait a week or so. I hope it's still available then.
You know that I waited, mulled, and then waited some more before actually pulling the trigger. If the price is right and you don't mind the potential fixes/wrench-time... do it.
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Old 10-31-2011, 05:54 PM   #1492
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Besides the elctrical gremlins, shutting off while driving, and water leakage into the interior, they are solid SUVs.
In Jeep's defense... most of their products have electrical gremlins.

My windows wouldn't go down Saturday evening when I stopped at a drive-up ATM. I turned off the ignition, started it back up, boom... windows went down. That's right, baby.
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Old 10-31-2011, 05:56 PM   #1493
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You know that I waited, mulled, and then waited some more before actually pulling the trigger. If the price is right and you don't mind the potential fixes/wrench-time... do it.
The price will be right if I can get what KBB claims my car is worth.
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Old 10-31-2011, 05:59 PM   #1494
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The price will be right if I can get what KBB claims my car is worth.
Good luck, I was able to get $1500 under KBB for my LGT.
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Old 10-31-2011, 06:01 PM   #1495
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In Jeep's defense... most of their products have electrical gremlins.

My windows wouldn't go down Saturday evening when I stopped at a drive-up ATM. I turned off the ignition, started it back up, boom... windows went down. That's right, baby.

If Jeep wants to go back to their roots, they should offer every model with manual windows. Window regulators can kiss my ***.

I think my Land Cruiser's windows go down at an astounding 1" per second. Screw you 15 year old tracks and motors. Winter is especially brutal. I guess they at least work.
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Old 10-31-2011, 06:05 PM   #1496
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If Jeep wants to go back to their routes, they should offer every model with manual windows. Window regulators can kiss my ***.

I think my Land Cruiser's windows go down at an astounding 1" per second. Screw you 15 year old tracks and motors. Winter is especially brutal. I guess they at least work.
Manual door locks and windows are an option. You'd be hard-pressed to find a new one without actually ordering it that way though.
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Old 10-31-2011, 06:09 PM   #1497
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Thanks, Joey.

Did you do a private sale?
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Old 10-31-2011, 06:18 PM   #1498
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Thanks, Joey.

Did you do a private sale?
I traded in the LGT.

I posted the car on Craigslist for a week (didn't have the patience to deal with the people), I called the only Carmax we have in Colorado (in Colorado Springs... 75 miles south of Denver), and eventually found my best leverage with trading in the car.

That being said, I sold the GF's car on Craigslist... it went two days after making the ad and it went for what we were asking.
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Old 10-31-2011, 06:19 PM   #1499
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Oh nice.

I'm going to go to Carmax first and go from there.
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Oh nice.

I'm going to go to Carmax first and go from there.
You should be able to do relatively well given what you are selling. Best of luck, I hope you can get into something new(er). Maybe one day we'll meet up in Moab.
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