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Old 11-25-2011, 11:28 PM   #1751
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Hey guys, I need a little advice.

I'm looking to pick up a relatively cheap 4x4 to take the family camping, snowboarding, and out to the boonies in the next year to year and a half. I'm currently looking at mid 90's XJ's, mid 90's 4Runners, and early 90's Land cruisers. The main factors I'm looking for are: reliability, cost, capability in stock form, ease of upgrading, and capability after light upgrades.

I don't think I'll be doing any rock crawling or anything, mostly trails in the desert, and up in northern Arizona. Mud, snow, rough rutted and rocky trails, and sand will be the main concern.

What do you guys think of the options? Anything else out there that will fit my needs?
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Old 11-25-2011, 11:34 PM   #1752
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Which is the NASIOC of Jeep forums?
I also like wranglerforum.com and jeepforum.com too.
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Old 11-25-2011, 11:34 PM   #1753
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Of those three: XJ, without a doubt. They're dirt cheap, the 4.0 is strong and reliable, parts (stock and aftermarket) are cheap and abundant, and they're pretty capable.

I don't know much about the 4runners, but that would be my second choice.

The LC's are good vehicles, but probably a bit more expensive to modify and maintain compared to the others.
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Old 11-25-2011, 11:38 PM   #1754
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Hey guys, I need a little advice.

I'm looking to pick up a relatively cheap 4x4 to take the family camping, snowboarding, and out to the boonies in the next year to year and a half. I'm currently looking at mid 90's XJ's, mid 90's 4Runners, and early 90's Land cruisers. The main factors I'm looking for are: reliability, cost, capability in stock form, ease of upgrading, and capability after light upgrades.

I don't think I'll be doing any rock crawling or anything, mostly trails in the desert, and up in northern Arizona. Mud, snow, rough rutted and rocky trails, and sand will be the main concern.

What do you guys think of the options? Anything else out there that will fit my needs?
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Love mine, even though it's stock. Very capable off road. And it's a manual
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Old 11-25-2011, 11:42 PM   #1755
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Hey guys, I need a little advice.

I'm looking to pick up a relatively cheap 4x4 to take the family camping, snowboarding, and out to the boonies in the next year to year and a half. I'm currently looking at mid 90's XJ's, mid 90's 4Runners, and early 90's Land cruisers. The main factors I'm looking for are: reliability, cost, capability in stock form, ease of upgrading, and capability after light upgrades.

I don't think I'll be doing any rock crawling or anything, mostly trails in the desert, and up in northern Arizona. Mud, snow, rough rutted and rocky trails, and sand will be the main concern.

What do you guys think of the options? Anything else out there that will fit my needs?
XJ is honestly a tad small for family use. Alternatives should also include Xterra and Monteros/Sports.
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Old 11-26-2011, 03:52 AM   #1756
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My friend just sent me this thread:
http://www.expeditionportal.com/foru...a-to-Argentina

Norwegian couple ships their Nissan Patrol to Alaska, then drives down to Argentina. Took them about a year (so far - they're still going).

If you don't want to look through all 50+ pages of forum posts, their website is here:
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Old 11-26-2011, 04:00 AM   #1757
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Hey guys, I need a little advice.

I'm looking to pick up a relatively cheap 4x4 to take the family camping, snowboarding, and out to the boonies in the next year to year and a half. I'm currently looking at mid 90's XJ's, mid 90's 4Runners, and early 90's Land cruisers. The main factors I'm looking for are: reliability, cost, capability in stock form, ease of upgrading, and capability after light upgrades.

I don't think I'll be doing any rock crawling or anything, mostly trails in the desert, and up in northern Arizona. Mud, snow, rough rutted and rocky trails, and sand will be the main concern.

What do you guys think of the options? Anything else out there that will fit my needs?

I load up the family(wife and 2 children in car seats) along with a toolbox and ice chest and we go wheel all day and have a blast doing it in my 91 4Runner.

The Land Cruiser will be the most capable in stock form especially if you get one with factory lockers but they will also be the most expensive to own if it hasn't been maintained properly. They are extremely reliable so they are often times neglected. If you get a 91-92 they don't have the motor issues that the later ones do and if you don't mind spending the money later for lockers they are a solid choice. They tend to make Jeeps and other capable vehicles look bad when they ease right over things that others struggle with and end up just going around as illustrated in this video.


All 3 of your choices are pretty damn reliable but they each have their weak points. The Toyotas both have head gasket issues(4Runner 89-95 and LC 93-97) and the LC also has a heater hose issue that can cause it to fry the motor before you even know it busted. The Jeep has a unibody and can crack after being used heavily off road. The rear main seal is a common leak point, the exhaust manifold is prone to cracking as well as the head on later models, and they can have problems with running really hot.

They will all be very capable with simple modifications. Lockers front and rear(LC have them as a factory option 93+), larger tires, and some armor will take you damn near anywhere you want to go since you won't be crawling through rocks.

Here is one of my favorite 4Runners that has very few modifications. ARB lockers front and rear, 33" tires(although not very aggressive) and armor is all he has.


Can't go wrong with any of them...
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Old 11-26-2011, 09:02 AM   #1758
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I load up the family(wife and 2 children in car seats) along with a toolbox and ice chest and we go wheel all day and have a blast doing it in my 91 4Runner.

The Land Cruiser will be the most capable in stock form especially if you get one with factory lockers but they will also be the most expensive to own if it hasn't been maintained properly. They are extremely reliable so they are often times neglected. If you get a 91-92 they don't have the motor issues that the later ones do and if you don't mind spending the money later for lockers they are a solid choice. They tend to make Jeeps and other capable vehicles look bad when they ease right over things that others struggle with and end up just going around as illustrated in this video.

Video Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OKDkcIDmk0

All 3 of your choices are pretty damn reliable but they each have their weak points. The Toyotas both have head gasket issues(4Runner 89-95 and LC 93-97) and the LC also has a heater hose issue that can cause it to fry the motor before you even know it busted. The Jeep has a unibody and can crack after being used heavily off road. The rear main seal is a common leak point, the exhaust manifold is prone to cracking as well as the head on later models, and they can have problems with running really hot.

They will all be very capable with simple modifications. Lockers front and rear(LC have them as a factory option 93+), larger tires, and some armor will take you damn near anywhere you want to go since you won't be crawling through rocks.

Here is one of my favorite 4Runners that has very few modifications. ARB lockers front and rear, 33" tires(although not very aggressive) and armor is all he has.

Video Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGt2ZwFZKPU

Can't go wrong with any of them...
The FZJ80 motor isn't a huge concern as long as the person is willing to do all the preventative maintenance. The head gasket is really the most expensive issue out of the laundry list of things. The cracked exhaust manifold is a 100 series issue. The cooling systems usually do need a overhaul as they are all very old now. That alone could set you back around $700 in parts if DIY. The exhaust is also a concern as they tend to crack in the ypipe area. That is another $600+ fix depending on how fancy you want it.

But if anybody is looking for a budget beater SUV, I would never recommend it. The dismal fuel economy should be enough to turn most people away. The high entry price for non trashed FZJ80 should be another.

Visit the MUD website for all 80 series concerns. That's really a solid technical site for Land Cruisers.
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Old 11-26-2011, 09:22 AM   #1759
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Eeeeh, I'd say pirate is more like ziptied and nasioc is more like jeepforum.

Took advantage of Black Friday sales and ordered an RC trac bar and drop pitman arm for my XJ.

It's been parked for a month because it developed a misfire, **** out a CV, and wore out the M10 joint on the trac bar all in a 2 week time period.


It's been unpacked since this picture but it hasn't moved far.
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Old 11-26-2011, 11:19 AM   #1760
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I also like wranglerforum.com and jeepforum.com too.
for jk models either go to jkowners or jkforums. both are good with a lot of good info and a pretty good community. jkowners is a lot like ot here (wide open and not a lot of stupid rules) and jkforums has some stupid nazi mods.
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Old 11-26-2011, 11:50 AM   #1761
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Hey guys, I need a little advice.

I'm looking to pick up a relatively cheap 4x4 to take the family camping, snowboarding, and out to the boonies in the next year to year and a half. I'm currently looking at mid 90's XJ's, mid 90's 4Runners, and early 90's Land cruisers. The main factors I'm looking for are: reliability, cost, capability in stock form, ease of upgrading, and capability after light upgrades.

I don't think I'll be doing any rock crawling or anything, mostly trails in the desert, and up in northern Arizona. Mud, snow, rough rutted and rocky trails, and sand will be the main concern.

What do you guys think of the options? Anything else out there that will fit my needs?

A lightly modified grand cherokee 4.0 will also do the job nicely.

Honestly with that small laundry list its really easy to set a jeep up, and I know I am a huge fan of them because of ease of maintenance, and upgrade parts are cheap and plentiful.
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Old 11-26-2011, 04:06 PM   #1762
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A lightly modified grand cherokee 4.0 will also do the job nicely.

Honestly with that small laundry list its really easy to set a jeep up, and I know I am a huge fan of them because of ease of maintenance, and upgrade parts are cheap and plentiful.
I'm not a huge fan of the grand cherokees. I've had two different buddies that have had them, and they were both pretty unreliable.

EDIT: had another thought. What do you guys think about the older dodge durangos?

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Old 11-26-2011, 06:35 PM   #1763
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EDIT: had another thought. What do you guys think about the older dodge durangos?
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Old 11-26-2011, 07:28 PM   #1764
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Old 11-26-2011, 10:55 PM   #1765
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Damn anyone go out yesterday?

We took the back road to crown king and it was a jeep and land cruiser traffic jam : lol:

I'll post pics when I get in front of my 'puter.

There was a yota LC that was broke down, I took a look at it and was pretty sure I had it figured out, but I would've needed to drop the column a few inches but the guy didn't want me to go that deep he just wanted to get it to his guy at that point.

plus we had two trucks loaded with people that were starting to get anxious, buddy kept them busy with shooting suppressed guns, but we were only 1/4 in long drive.

One of the guys mentioned that their main mechanic/fabricator was slammed with work apparently and needed some help with technician stuff part time.

He called me that night, so he must be up to his eyeballs. I'm thinking I can blow in a few times a week, fix a few trucks and take advantage of the situation to build a sick ass land cruiser. I was thinking about doing a sfa old body style s10 blazer with a v8 to go with my s10 ext cab v8, but if I can score a newer land cruiser and parts for stupid cheap by working at this shop...

We'll see what happens I guess...
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Old 11-27-2011, 12:12 AM   #1766
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I forgot to mention that the Jeep I plan on buying wobbles on the highway at 55mph. Is this the infamous death wobble or just due to the fact that the thing is in desperate need of new tires?

Thanks, guys.

EDIT: It is NOTHING like this:


More of a slight shimmy in the steering at about 53-56mph.

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Old 11-27-2011, 12:25 AM   #1767
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I forgot to mention that the Jeep I plan on buying wobbles on the highway at 55mph. Is this the infamous death wobble or just due to the fact that the thing is in desperate need of new tires?

Thanks, guys.

EDIT: It is NOTHING like this:

Jeep DEATH WOBBLE - YouTube

More of a slight shimmy in the steering at about 53-56mph.
Probably tires, but you could have a suspension component on its way out. Not that big of a deal.
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Probably tires, but you could have a suspension component on its way out. Not that big of a deal.
Well I know for a fact that front lower and rear upper shock bushings are worn out. Plus, the rear tires are just haggard.

Thanks, Sky.
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Old 11-27-2011, 03:03 AM   #1769
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But if anybody is looking for a budget beater SUV, I would never recommend it. The dismal fuel economy should be enough to turn most people away. The high entry price for non trashed FZJ80 should be another.
Actually, when I was searching for a rig between a 80 Series Land Cruiser or a 3rd Gen 4Runner, the stock FZJ80's were actually cheaper and with lower mileage than a stock 4Runner. And the stock Land Cruisers were generally in better shape than newer 4Runners.

I also get 15-17 mpg (corrected mileage) on road with my pizza cutters.

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Old 11-27-2011, 10:13 AM   #1770
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I am down to 11 again with winter gas. It also never gets driven. Maybe 100 miles a month?

Prob will go up if it starts snowing. 285s. 100% stock everything else including terrible radio and speakers.
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Old 11-27-2011, 01:13 PM   #1771
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I'm not a huge fan of the grand cherokees. I've had two different buddies that have had them, and they were both pretty unreliable.
Just meant jeeps in general... but it depends on the grand, some are fine some arent.
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Old 11-27-2011, 02:21 PM   #1772
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I forgot to mention that the Jeep I plan on buying wobbles on the highway at 55mph. Is this the infamous death wobble or just due to the fact that the thing is in desperate need of new tires?

Thanks, guys.

EDIT: It is NOTHING like this:

Jeep DEATH WOBBLE - YouTube

More of a slight shimmy in the steering at about 53-56mph.
Tires are definitely contributing; I can't imagine they're very well balanced anymore. Worn out TRE's and poor alignment will also cause a shimmy.
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Old 11-27-2011, 02:33 PM   #1773
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Tires are definitely contributing; I can't imagine they're very well balanced anymore. Worn out TRE's and poor alignment will also cause a shimmy.
I'm fairly certain that's the case. The owner assures me that the tires are causing it and that he's never experienced anything stronger than the shimmy I felt while driving it.

The drive up the 5 freeway after the purchase is going to be interesting to say the least.

Thanks, Ash.
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Damn, u need some of these 850N series universal joints on your steering shafts!
I can't imagine you'd break them.
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