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Old 05-16-2013, 11:49 AM   #726
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Sorry form over function just doesn't make sense to me.
lol, it is factory. and it's no knee dragger, but it still handles well and it's extremely comfortable to ride. 550lbs dry with a 1200 v-twin, so she moves alright too.
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Old 05-16-2013, 12:01 PM   #727
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I wasn't meaning for that to come off bad, nice bike.
I am just blown away how far bikes have come in the last 15 years.

I know it is not a knee dragger, usually I see them with the bicycle front tire.
I am sure you can get it to turn tight but figure the response has to be greatly decreased with that wide of a front. Maybe not?

I know every bike has it's own features, I ride a scooter. So while I can't get on the freeway I have hell of a mpg.

Look at some Progressive rear shocks for that thing if you still have the stockers on. You can get them for cheap and they will make the ride a WHOLE lot better.
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My current front tire on the Shadow is the same width as the one on the SV, but isn't a sport tire, so it won't help the bike corner as well. But it still takes corners like a champ, just at lower speeds and with a ton more comfort.

It isn't form over function. It's just a different function. Form over function would be a massive ten foot long chopper with ape hangers. I've ridden those things, and they're pretty much only there to look awesome while parked, because they're absolute hell to ride.
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Old 05-16-2013, 12:20 PM   #729
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The style of the bike is a throw back to the harleys of the 1940's hence the name forty-eight. It actually handles better than the skinny tires here in CO where the freeways are grooved for winter time. Those grooves like to grab on the skinnier treads and pull you around.
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Old 05-16-2013, 12:27 PM   #730
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My current front tire on the Shadow is the same width as the one on the SV, but isn't a sport tire, so it won't help the bike corner as well. But it still takes corners like a champ, just at lower speeds and with a ton more comfort.

It isn't form over function. It's just a different function. Form over function would be a massive ten foot long chopper with ape hangers. I've ridden those things, and they're pretty much only there to look awesome while parked, because they're absolute hell to ride.
Sounds like a good debate.

So a front 160/50 sport tire responses just as good as a 120/70 sport tire?
I know a cruiser is not meant to turn like a sport bike because the chassis are totally different design as well as suspension.

The front tire has no power going through it, so the added width would only be for looks. There is nothing wrong with it, just didn't know why else they would do that rather than just for looks.
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Old 05-16-2013, 01:28 PM   #731
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to me, comfort is a big component of function.
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The front tire has no power going through it, so the added width would only be for looks. There is nothing wrong with it, just didn't know why else they would do that rather than just for looks.
That's not entirely true. Wider front tires on cruisers are there to help the bike track straight at slower speeds. Wider contact patch equals more friction meaning more stability.

When you're sitting upright on a cruiser, you're going to be taking the brunt of that wind, unless you have a windshield, so you're getting tossed around more.
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Old 05-16-2013, 02:16 PM   #733
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That's not entirely true. Wider front tires on cruisers are there to help the bike track straight at slower speeds. Wider contact patch equals more friction meaning more stability.

When you're sitting upright on a cruiser, you're going to be taking the brunt of that wind, unless you have a windshield, so you're getting tossed around more.
The back tire is wider to lay down more rubber in a corner cause that tire gets all the pushing from the motor. So it needs to have enough rubber down to match your acceleration or you lose it. The front tire doesn't need to be as wide for obvious reasons.

The straighter track can be adjusted with suspension settings on the front forks.
You could use a steering damper but the real setting is the compression and rebound on the forks.

It makes sense a larger tire will make the bike ride straight at slower speeds, but I have never had an issue riding straight at 40mph, 30mph or even 5mph on any SV650, GSXR, R6 etc etc. Any bike really.

If the front end of the cruiser is hard to keep straight that is a suspension flaw not to cover up with a bigger tire. Though you could do that for a simple fix but you give up more on the other end.

If it is the wind tossing you around, how would a Monster, an SV, a Hyper motard be any different?

I will tell you I road a Hyper one time down the freeway. It had a standard 120/70 front and in town it was great! At 120 the front end would get light and the handlebars became very touchy. That was lack of rebound on the front, keeping the tire in contact with the ground. 4 Clicks out and it was fixed. I road a friends Vulcan and it rides like a dream. Not sure I would own one for other reasons, but it is comfortable, it handles nice, stops decent.
It has I guess you would call, touring tires on it. Not sports but not the regular D720's or whatever they are.

I see your point but I think it is a bandaid over a larger issue.
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Old 05-16-2013, 02:17 PM   #734
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to me, comfort is a big component of function.
I agree! I can't do the 300 miles on a sport bike anymore. Hell I can barely do 6 laps at the track before I'm ready to get off.
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Old 05-16-2013, 02:42 PM   #735
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yeah im 30, with a bad back from 8 yrs in the military. i was trying to say that the fat front tire not only keeps the bike stabile at lower speeds, but also effective as another layer of shock absorbtion too.
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Old 05-16-2013, 03:05 PM   #736
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yeah im 30, with a bad back from 8 yrs in the military. i was trying to say that the fat front tire not only keeps the bike stabile at lower speeds, but also effective as another layer of shock absorbtion too.
Look at those rear shocks like I mentioned and you will see what a better shock absorption is. If that tire is making the shock absorption that much better the pressure is to low.

I am not sure about HD's and how they are set up from the factory here. I would look into it. All jap bikes are designed for a 150lb kid or man (if they are that size). So you get a 190lb guy on there or even someone just 165lbs and you are talking a world of difference in how much the bike will bounce and wobble in turning and while hitting bumps.
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Old 05-16-2013, 03:36 PM   #737
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Yeah i fit on the sportster frame good because I'm only 5'9" but the suspension needs reworked a I'm 190lbs. My tires are good, I check tire pressure religiously. I guess shock absorption wasn't the right term. Compare it to the retards who take a Cadillac that rides on pillows, then they put 24" wheels with 20 series tires and wonder why the ride is terrible.
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Yeah i fit on the sportster frame good because I'm only 5'9" but the suspension needs reworked a I'm 190lbs. My tires are good, I check tire pressure religiously. I guess shock absorption wasn't the right term. Compare it to the retards who take a Cadillac that rides on pillows, then they put 24" wheels with 20 series tires and wonder why the ride is terrible.
What size tire is on the front now? Looks like a 150 or 160/50?
A 120/70 will actually have more distance between the bead on the wheel and the pavement.

For instance:

120/70
140/70
150/70

Will all have the same distance from the wheel to the pavement. "The cushion" you are talking about. An air tire will be more plush of a ride than a solid tire yes but going from a 70 to a 50 isn't going to be enough for anyone to ever notice if at all.
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Old 05-16-2013, 04:08 PM   #739
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Maybe its the angle that's making you think its bigger than it actually is. The tire is a 130/90. Its wide, but not outrageous. Just a tall sidewall.
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Maybe its the angle that's making you think its bigger than it actually is. The tire is a 130/90. Its wide, but not outrageous. Just a tall sidewall.
Ok that makes more sense. It's like a TW250 tire. It's an odd size, hope they don't get you on replacements.

Ok so Honda is bringing back the GROM. Thoughts?

http://www.cyclenews.com/400/21564/R...onda-Grom.aspx
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Oh, a naked bike is certainly a wind factory too. But you're still crouched down more than you are on a cruiser for sure. I've noticed a lot more wind buffeting on my cruiser than the SV just because I'm more upright.

The aerodynamics just aren't there on a cruiser to keep you from not getting knocked around. There is a sense of added comfort the wider tires afford, which is probably the major reason why manufacturers put them on.

But it's just a different setup for a different purpose. My friend asked me why I would buy a bike with a top speed that was less than 130mph. I told him that if I wanted a bike that went that fast, I wouldn't have picked up a Honda Shadow.
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Oh, a naked bike is certainly a wind factory too. But you're still crouched down more than you are on a cruiser for sure. I've noticed a lot more wind buffeting on my cruiser than the SV just because I'm more upright.

The aerodynamics just aren't there on a cruiser to keep you from not getting knocked around. There is a sense of added comfort the wider tires afford, which is probably the major reason why manufacturers put them on.

But it's just a different setup for a different purpose. My friend asked me why I would buy a bike with a top speed that was less than 130mph. I told him that if I wanted a bike that went that fast, I wouldn't have picked up a Honda Shadow.

http://cycle-ergo.com/

All of these bikes have a 0 degree body position like the Honda Shadow VLX.

DRZ400, Ducati Hypermotard, Suzuki VStrom, Moto Guzzi Stelivo

All of them have a 120 or narrower front tire.
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You go back to polishing your Duc.
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I didn't own a single one of those bikes. But I did own an SV650, and had a lot less wind resistance than on the Shadow.

Of course, I have a 120 series tire on the Shadow too. It just has a huge sidewall of 90. Comfort, baby. Comfort.
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I didn't own a single one of those bikes. But I did own an SV650, and had a lot less wind resistance than on the Shadow.

Of course, I have a 120 series tire on the Shadow too. It just has a huge sidewall of 90. Comfort, baby. Comfort.
I have ridden all of them. The HD looked like it had a 150 front on it which didn't make sense. A 120/90, is great, tall tire for turn in. A 150/60 = crappy front turn in and same amount of "cush" or comfort.


Just trying to say that a zero degree riding position can still have a steady straight ride at slow speeds, with a narrow tire and the correct suspension adjustments.
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Cool event this weekend, kids 12 and under get in free. Load up a grill, bring some food and drink and get really close to the track.
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