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Old 02-16-2009, 01:32 PM   #1
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Default Every Ford product to offer 4 cylinder option by 2013

There's been a lot of talking going on around Ford about offering a turbo 4 for every car and truck produced, and now this showed up on the web today. Looks like all the chatting around the coffee rooms was for real... However, after seeing the turbo v6, a 4 cylinder seems to be a little week in comparison.

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Old 02-16-2009, 07:28 PM   #2
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yeah, I don't want to wait in line for the 4 banger Taurus, nor the 4 banger F150.
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Old 02-16-2009, 07:31 PM   #3
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They've already tried this. I kinda remember it not going so well.
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Old 02-16-2009, 07:34 PM   #4
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yeah, I don't want to wait in line for the 4 banger Taurus, nor the 4 banger F150.
275hp is more than enough for a Taurus. Probably for an F150 too though I'd much rather see it in an updated Ranger. A turbo 4 Ranger I might actually buy.
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Old 02-16-2009, 08:12 PM   #5
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If all their vehicles go on a diet and/or get hit by a shrink-ray, then a 4-banger (possibly with a turbo) is fine for most applications. Obviously it's not gonna be their high performance version, but it will be available.

It wasn't that long ago that the performance version of some of their cars had a V6 kicking out a "whopping" +/-150 HP... so having a 4-banger making ~200hp is not a problem (and yea, I do remember that cars have gained quite a bit of weight over the years).
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Old 02-16-2009, 09:00 PM   #6
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275hp is more than enough for a Taurus. Probably for an F150 too though I'd much rather see it in an updated Ranger. A turbo 4 Ranger I might actually buy.

I can't imagine a turbo four banger in an F150 to be practical. Sounds like it's more of a "so we can say we did it" kind of thing to me.
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Old 02-16-2009, 09:12 PM   #7
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I can't imagine a turbo four banger in an F150 to be practical. Sounds like it's more of a "so we can say we did it" kind of thing to me.
Not for the crew cable soccer mom edition but the regular cab short box work truck it should be fine. I'm sure most people who use a truck for hauling lawn equipment or plumbing or whatever care more about gas mileage than power.
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Old 02-16-2009, 09:21 PM   #8
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I can't imagine a turbo four banger in an F150 to be practical.
Have you seen the flat torque curve of the new EcoBoost V6 engine?
If they can do something similar - but obviously at a lower power level - with a turbo'ed 4, then what's the problem?

Back in 1990, the F150 only had an I6 and it only made 145 hp. A modern 4 can easily match those power numbers... if it was passable back then as the only engine offered, then why wouldn't it be doable today as the base engine? (Of course since 1990, the F150 has gained ~900 lbs)
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I can't imagine a turbo four banger in an F150 to be practical. Sounds like it's more of a "so we can say we did it" kind of thing to me.
Yup. Gonna be interesting to see how many they sell. People want big engines in full-size trucks; IIRC one of the biggest sales problems for the original Tundra was lack of a V8.
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Old 02-16-2009, 10:06 PM   #10
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i would totally burn up a turbo 4 ranger.
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Old 02-16-2009, 10:09 PM   #11
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would this motor require premium fuel? i don't see a plumber wanting to spend the extra on gas.
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Have you seen the flat torque curve of the new EcoBoost V6 engine?
If they can do something similar - but obviously at a lower power level - with a turbo'ed 4, then what's the problem?

Back in 1990, the F150 only had an I6 and it only made 145 hp. A modern 4 can easily match those power numbers... if it was passable back then as the only engine offered, then why wouldn't it be doable today as the base engine? (Of course since 1990, the F150 has gained ~900 lbs)
Again, I said what's practical. Try towing anything of consequence with a turbocharged four banger in a 4500+ lb vehicle, I guarantee you it won't end well.

A turbocharged four in an F150 is nothing more than a novelty. Basic transportation at best and not something you would do typical truck things with.
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Old 02-16-2009, 10:54 PM   #13
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Uh...yeah, I totally don't see this working for an F350 or Excursion.... Otherwise...full on, bang it out Ford. Can't hurt to try. Maybe, just....maybe, that v6 TT might pull its weight.
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Old 02-16-2009, 11:04 PM   #14
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Again, I said what's practical. Try towing anything of consequence with a turbocharged four banger in a 4500+ lb vehicle, I guarantee you it won't end well.

A turbocharged four in an F150 is nothing more than a novelty. Basic transportation at best and not something you would do typical truck things with.
What if it's a 6.0L 4cyl?
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Old 02-16-2009, 11:19 PM   #15
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Trucks will probably get 4 cylinder diesel engines. BMWs 320d gets 170hp and 260 ft lbs.

Fords European Trucks have these:


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Old 02-16-2009, 11:27 PM   #16
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would this motor require premium fuel? i don't see a plumber wanting to spend the extra on gas.
You can run the Hyundai 2.0t on regular, I imagine that Ford will follow suit.

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Again, I said what's practical. Try towing anything of consequence with a turbocharged four banger in a 4500+ lb vehicle, I guarantee you it won't end well.

A turbocharged four in an F150 is nothing more than a novelty. Basic transportation at best and not something you would do typical truck things with.
I just honestly disagree. You realize that 200hp+ motors in trucks are still a fairly new thing? As someone else pointed out the 6cyl in 1990 had significantly less horsepower. You really don't need a lot of power to just perform normal tasks.

You remember those Dolphin Motorhomes? The MOST hp they had was 135hp, most had ~95hp. They moved around just fine. You act like a truck with a 4 banger won't carry anything. It's simply not true.

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Old 02-17-2009, 07:54 AM   #17
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Yup. Gonna be interesting to see how many they sell. People want big engines in full-size trucks; IIRC one of the biggest sales problems for the original Tundra was lack of a V8.
Remember the T100? That was even worse!
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HP junkies, throwing out huge HP numbers simply to go from point A to point B. The vast majority of the time hardly use all the power. Granted all new vehicles can go on a diet, hell the F150 could even be downsized some. To think that a turbo 4 banger at 200hp couldn't tow 3500-5000lbs reliably is stupid. It'll be able to tow the weight, probably not at 70-80mph but 60-65 for sure. If a normally aspirated 4 banger in the current Ranger/Tacoma are rated to tow at 2000lb and 3500lb, using 135hp and 160hp engines. With a 200-250hp turbo 4 in an F150 with the right transmission and gearing would be acceptable to a large majority of people. It won't be winner at the drag strip but it's a TRUCK. I'm sure big 6's and 8's will still be offered for the fully loaded behemoths on the showroom floor.
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Sounds like it's more of a "so we can say we did it" kind of thing to me.
There's a lot of that going on lately.

Perception > reality.
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Trucks will probably get 4 cylinder diesel engines.
Yeah, that would work. Still probably won't sell well though.

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They don't make the Ford GT anymore, if that's what you're referring to...
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It would be interesting if a small pickup truck cam out again; they were so popular in the 70s and 80s taxes were put on them to kill the market rather than have US companies (since they were almost all imports) develop a proper small truck themselves, the original Ranger/B2000 notwithstanding.

A 4 cylinder in a small inexpensive truck would be fine for most people's needs, diesel, 4x4 or not. I had hope the Mahindra would be this but it sounds like it's a bit larger...
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I just honestly disagree. You realize that 200hp+ motors in trucks are still a fairly new thing? As someone else pointed out the 6cyl in 1990 had significantly less horsepower. You really don't need a lot of power to just perform normal tasks.

You remember those Dolphin Motorhomes? The MOST hp they had was 135hp, most had ~95hp. They moved around just fine. You act like a truck with a 4 banger won't carry anything. It's simply not true.
times have changed and we need to move on. its like dial-up connection used to work okay but not anymore. 100 hp used to be okay but not anymore in today's standards. same can be applied to electronics... computer speed, TV size...etc. you can always argue and say "20 years ago, we only had this and that".... but in reality, those stuff cant survive in modern days.

how about try to live without electricity for a few days?... ppl in 3rd world countries are doing that just fine.
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times have changed and we need to move on. its like dial-up connection used to work okay but not anymore. 100 hp used to be okay but not anymore in today's standards. same can be applied to electronics... computer speed, TV size...etc. you can always argue and say "20 years ago, we only had this and that".... but in reality, those stuff cant survive in modern days.

how about try to live without electricity for a few days?... ppl in 3rd world countries are doing that just fine.
The Ford 4cyl is supposed to have TWICE the hp of the old Dolphin in a lighter vehicle. How is that not progress? Maybe people should just get over hp dick waving and realize that they don't need nearly as much as they think they do.
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