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Old 02-16-2009, 04:20 PM   #1
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Well today I had my car tuned my tim bailey at surgeline today. i ended up with 249awhp and 259awtq on his in house mustang dyno. this was on WA 92 pump and the boost peaked at 16.5 on the stock turbo. i will shortly post up some videos, pictures, and the dyno graph. im very happy with my results :] it pulls much stronger and smoother now than it did, and its also safer as it was running too lean for tims preferences on the ots cobb map. i was pleased to hear him say it was the most powerful stage 2 hes seen :]
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Old 02-16-2009, 04:30 PM   #2
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its also safer as it was running too lean for tims preferences on the ots cobb map.
Odd. Cobb maps are usually quite rich. Mod list?
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Old 02-16-2009, 04:31 PM   #3
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hm, lean for cobb ots?
maybe you have a leak!
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Old 02-16-2009, 04:34 PM   #4
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Please show us your mod list, this will help me decide whether I want to stick with a stage II tune or go with a VF39.
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Old 02-16-2009, 04:43 PM   #5
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The new 16.5 psi stage 2+ protune
Heat Wrapped Borla Header
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Old 02-16-2009, 07:12 PM   #6
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I thought Tim worked on the Cobb maps, or so I was lead to believe. Regardless, they are not a "one size fits all" proposition, and I'd be willing to wager that the Cobb OTS map was far richer than the OEM map.
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Old 02-16-2009, 11:05 PM   #7
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I dont think Tim wrote the old Cobb OTS maps. I think he was only involved with the ones that were created more recently

Well done,... I remember my stage 2 protune (by Tim). It was ALOT of fun and very smooth

ENJOY
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thanks. :] im very happy with my results! i havent seen any stage 2s yet hit close to my numbers on a mustang dyno
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Old 02-17-2009, 01:16 AM   #9
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I dont think Tim wrote the old Cobb OTS maps. I think he was only involved with the ones that were created more recently

Well done,... I remember my stage 2 protune (by Tim). It was ALOT of fun and very smooth

ENJOY
That is correct. I started creating base maps for Cobb Tuning in early 2008.

Flycaster's comment regarding air fuel ratio's is spot on in regard to 2007+ Cobb Tuning OTS calibrations. Subaru's new (2007+) calibration strategy kept the fuel ratio as lean as possible even while under full boost. The best way to correct this dangerous condition while enhancing torque and improving drive quality is to appropriately richen the Air to fuel ratio when under boost. Take a look at any 08 sti stock dyno plot compared to a stage 2 tune.

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Old 02-17-2009, 01:26 AM   #10
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haha thanks tim. here is a video, high res photo, and the dyno sheet. plus i gotta hand it to tim for some great service, expertise, and friendliness. i had a great time this morning at surgeline and would recommend his services for anyone!



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Old 02-17-2009, 02:02 AM   #11
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Nice numbers!
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Old 02-17-2009, 12:55 PM   #12
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That is correct. I started creating base maps for Cobb Tuning in early 2008...
Thanks for the heads-up, Tim. I knew you became involved at some point in time, but I didn't know when, nor did I know how old the map was that the OP was referring to. I'm still planning on heading over the hill for a touch-up tune when I get the DW's swapped in for the old Perrin 816's...just a matter of when the docs clear me to start driving this dang car again.

As for Tim's comment about the OEM AFR's, search P&L's thread in PPB from last year that shows a dyno pull with on a bone stock car, with boost, AFR's, and timing plotted - it is simply unfrigging believable. At 3.2 - 3.5K, the fueling was so lean that the OEM tune backed the timing advance almost down to zero to stop detonation. Frankly, it's amazing that every single one of these cars doesn't break a piston or 2.
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Old 02-17-2009, 07:07 PM   #13
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thanks. :] im very happy with my results! i havent seen any stage 2s yet hit close to my numbers on a mustang dyno
My old Master Bailey tune on Buschurs Mustang Dyno was
240whp/270 wtq
on pump and 250/315 on C16 Broke in the 12's too
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Old 02-17-2009, 07:49 PM   #14
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As for Tim's comment about the OEM AFR's, search P&L's thread in PPB from last year that shows a dyno pull with on a bone stock car, with boost, AFR's, and timing plotted - it is simply unfrigging believable. At 3.2 - 3.5K, the fueling was so lean that the OEM tune backed the timing advance almost down to zero to stop detonation. Frankly, it's amazing that every single one of these cars doesn't break a piston or 2.
This is the strategy for every new subaru..... lean with full boost until 4K or later. The stock calibration on the 09 forrester xt will hold full boost and leaner than 14:1 until 5k or later.

I agree. Its amazing more newer stock turbo subaru's don't break. This terrible OEM tuning strategy makes my job really easy.

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My old Master Bailey tune on Buschurs Mustang Dyno was
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on pump and 250/315 on C16 Broke in the 12's too
god damnit haha
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Don't sweat this - the gas they use in Ohio is unlike what we get out here. I'm not kidding.
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haha good i cant believe how much of a difference the tune made in daily driving tim. its absurd.
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Old 02-19-2009, 11:38 PM   #19
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nice number man. i just got my tune by tim today and made 248whp and 264 torque. we have similiar setup. except i run 255 pump and intake
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I had my car tuned at Surgeline by Tim as well. I feel so lucky to live so close to one of the greatest tuners in the industry! 349whp 368ft/lbs torque!
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Old 02-20-2009, 02:32 AM   #21
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I had my car tuned at Surgeline by Tim as well. I feel so lucky to live so close to one of the greatest tuners in the industry! 349whp 368ft/lbs torque!
damn man i envy 2.5 nice torque!!!
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Old 02-28-2009, 05:42 PM   #22
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haha i still enjoy my 2.0l td04 quick spool torque!
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Old 03-01-2009, 03:15 AM   #23
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we all are damn lucky to have the best and easiest shop to deal with right in our backyard. I'd love to put the Metro area's subbies vs. other major cities. Bet we'd have way more and done the RIGHT way. Surgeline FTW!
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Old 03-01-2009, 08:40 PM   #24
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absolutely. ^ +2823757652
tim is the man when it comes to doing business in this field. Portland is easily becoming the capitol for cars on the west coast, with all the different shops, scenes, and racetracks available.
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