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Old 02-17-2009, 09:44 PM   #1
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Default Mach V St. Valentine's Day Massacre, 2/13/09

This was our first night event. It went great and we had quite a crowd -- pretty good considering the 35-degree outside temp that night.

I should have photos of the cars along with the charts sometime soon, but for now it's charts only.

We have an AWD Dynojet dyno. Most pulls are done two gears down from top gear, so third gear for five-speed, fourth for six-speed.

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2005 Legacy 5EAT. Catted downpipe, 3" midpipe, stock mufflers, Stg2 AP flash.




GC 2.5RS, WRX swap, 3" cat-back, UTEC




GC 2.5RS, AcquaCow's car




Evo 8, tons of mods. 2.3 stroker, GT35R, huge headers, AEM, yadda yadda yadda. Pump gas.




SRT-4




We had three 2008 WRXs at this event. And here they are...

08 WRX, catless TurboXS turbo-back, intake, e-flash.




08 WRX, intake, Perrin TMIC, catted DP, Borla cat-back, AP pro-tuned




08 WRX, TurboXS turbo-back, AP Stg2



Oh, and the final chart: A late-model Dodge 2500 diesel truck, running biodiesel. Intake, turbo-back exhaust, ECU flash. It smelled like french fries. The runs were done in fourth (top) gear.



Here's a pic of one of the '08 cars. (Thanks to AcquaCow). Not enough room here for more pics, but you can browse his gallery HERE.




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Old 02-17-2009, 09:50 PM   #2
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omfg i cant imagine driving 700 pound of torque...............

i came late i missed the truck
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Old 02-17-2009, 09:57 PM   #3
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Thats all Diesel trucks are good for.....TORQUE!!!!!!
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Old 02-17-2009, 10:13 PM   #4
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can you really feel the trq in those things though? i love those trucks i would love to have one as a daily in a few years.
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Old 02-17-2009, 11:14 PM   #5
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I hate diesel trucks, with all that damn black clouds of smoke.
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Old 02-18-2009, 12:10 AM   #6
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I hate diesel trucks, with all that damn black clouds of smoke.
The black clouds are signs of a bad tune on diesels! With proper intercooling, no diesel would ever smoke

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Old 02-18-2009, 04:27 AM   #7
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The black clouds are signs of a bad tune on diesels! With proper intercooling, no diesel would ever smoke

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or high altittude.or a bad vgt or bad egr or 330k never cleaned IC
but you have to love 763whp and 981tq with the stock block(and studded heads)
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Old 02-18-2009, 04:30 AM   #8
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The black clouds are signs of a bad tune on diesels! With proper intercooling, no diesel would ever smoke
Hmm that's funny you say that cause when I asked a couple of guys; they said it was because under boost it dump tons of fuel whichs causes the black smoke.

Sorry for the o.t
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Old 02-18-2009, 10:51 AM   #9
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A late-model Dodge 2500 PowerStroke diesel truck, running biodiesel.

Was it a ford 250 with a powerstroke or a dodge 2500 with Cummins? Or was it actually a dodge with a powerstroke swap? reguardless, pretty badass!!!
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Old 02-18-2009, 11:02 AM   #10
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Was it a ford 250 with a powerstroke or a dodge 2500 with Cummins? Or was it actually a dodge with a powerstroke swap? reguardless, pretty badass!!!
I prefer the Ford Cummins Duramax line of trucks.
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Old 02-18-2009, 11:02 AM   #11
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Not to many people would pull a cummins to install a powerstroke. that would be downgrading. it's always the other way around!!
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Old 02-18-2009, 12:41 PM   #12
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Not to many people would pull a cummins to install a powerstroke. that would be downgrading. it's always the other way around!!
Exactly my thoughts. Powerjokes are pretty much worthless anymore... After the whole 6.0 fiasco, alot of people lost faith.
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Old 02-18-2009, 01:50 PM   #13
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Was it a ford 250 with a powerstroke or a dodge 2500 with Cummins? Or was it actually a dodge with a powerstroke swap? reguardless, pretty badass!!!
It was definitely a Dodge 2500. Sorry, I got my torque-monster engine terminology confused. It's a 5.9 Cummins diesel.

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Old 02-18-2009, 02:06 PM   #14
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can you really feel the trq in those things though? i love those trucks i would love to have one as a daily in a few years.

look on youtube for the f350 that runs 10s ...it smokes an fc RX7 like a blunt.

they make mad torque due to the engine internals being super heavy as it is plus the combinatio nof running in upwards of 70 psi from ginormous turbos
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Old 02-18-2009, 02:53 PM   #15
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look on youtube for the f350 that runs 10s ...it smokes an fc RX7 like a blunt.

they make mad torque due to the engine internals being super heavy as it is plus the combinatio nof running in upwards of 70 psi from ginormous turbos

Those monsters have HP to go with the torque though.

Horsepower moves cars, torque is what people who never took physics in highschool think moves cars.
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Old 02-18-2009, 02:59 PM   #16
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i think you guys are missing the point. look what the 08s can do with just a little tdo4!!!!
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Old 02-18-2009, 05:30 PM   #17
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That 2.5L must be nice...
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Old 02-19-2009, 10:01 AM   #18
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so a protune 08wrx made less HP out of the three.weird.. i was there also it was a good event
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Old 02-19-2009, 10:48 AM   #19
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Horsepower moves cars, torque is what people who never took physics in highschool think moves cars.
What's going to tow a trailer down the road better though? A vehicle who's engine has 1000 lb/ft and 290 hp or one with an engine that's got 290 lb/ft and 1000 hp? Hp for speed, torque for work. It's all about intended application.
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Good stuff Dan! Wish I could have made it up there to watch. Bit of a drive though :P

And my buddy has a Cummins with aftermarket turbo and lots of other goodies and it pulls hard. Not hard like my STI but for a 10,000lbs truck it moves damn good. I'm going to try and convince him to take it to the track this season. Feels like it would run high 13's or so.
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so a protune 08wrx made less HP out of the three.weird.. i was there also it was a good event
That is a little odd...

I Know John's car (SEEK) is an AP OTS Stage II map. Super conservative.

I know Bryce's car (BlackRex13) is an OS tune with some aggression for sure (XPT is mild to begin with, but I know Bryce was definitely trying to max it out and he did with all the logs/tuning he did with Braden).

Not sure about the 3rd one, though. Saw it on the dyno, didn't see anybody all that excited about it though
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Old 02-19-2009, 12:16 PM   #22
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so a protune 08wrx made less HP out of the three.weird..
There's three '08s, one of which has no cat. That one makes the most power, no surprise there. The other are both catted cars, but have different downpipes, intakes, intercoolers, and cat-back systems. I'm afraid we don't yet have enough data to know for sure what those effect those different parts have relative to each other. I assume (but don't know) that the ProTuned car would make less power if it was running an off-the-shelf map.

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Old 02-19-2009, 12:35 PM   #23
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Good stuff Dan! Wish I could have made it up there to watch. Bit of a drive though :P

And my buddy has a Cummins with aftermarket turbo and lots of other goodies and it pulls hard. Not hard like my STI but for a 10,000lbs truck it moves damn good. I'm going to try and convince him to take it to the track this season. Feels like it would run high 13's or so.
If he has a bigger turbo and stuff to go along with it I garuntee it will run faster than a 13.
A duramax will run in the 12's with Turbo, EFI live, intake and exhaust.
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Old 02-19-2009, 12:39 PM   #24
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yup and veggie oil and biodiesel produce less soot (that black stuff) than regular oil/diesel.

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Those monsters have HP to go with the torque though.

Horsepower moves cars, torque is what people who never took physics in highschool think moves cars.
You can't have one without the other and if you didn't have torque, a vehicle would NEVER move.
You just lack the understanding of gearing.
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yup and veggie oil and biodiesel produce less soot (that black stuff) than regular oil/diesel.

Don't hate on my Superduty


You can't have one without the other and if you didn't have torque, a vehicle would NEVER move.
You just lack the understanding of gearing.
...Sir, I would never, ever, EVER question you when it comes to this stuff!

Seriously, if I run into a ton of money I might buy you a cell phone I'll have that many questions for your bad guru self

I was just quick quoting one of those Horsepower TV shows.
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