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Old 02-18-2009, 03:36 PM   #1
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One of our local customers (Nate) was one of the first people to receive our GT30R V-band turbo kit. The car did very well with just bolt ons and a top mount.
(Since this car is an 07 STI early on its life the #4 Piston went belly up so we had to put our stage 1 shortblock in it.)

In any event recently Nate decided to ditch the top mount in lieu of a true FMIC. Now we do not have an FMIC solution for the Subaru just yet but Nate really wanted us to try and make something custom for him as the entire car to this point was all AMS. Using a little bit of custom fabrication we were able to take our widely successful EVO core and adapt it to work with Nate's 07 STI. The car came out great and the power increase was pretty substantial.

Now this is not a true back to back test as Nate also decided to delete his TGV's in the process. But this dyno demonstrates pretty clearly how potent this turbo kit really is. All that was changed between the two runs was an AMS FMIC and TGV deletes.

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AMS Built Stage 1 shortblock
Stock heads and cams
AMS GT3076R Turbo kit .63 A/R exhaust housing
Perrin Top mount IC
Perrin equal length headers
Invidia 3" Catless exhaust
Walbro fuel pump
Deatschwerks 850cc injectors
Quarter master Twin disc clutch with push conversion
AMS open source ECU tune

Gas: 93 Octane
Boost: 23 psi

Parts added for the second run:
AMS prototype FMIC
AMS TGV Deletes

Gas: 93 octane
Boost: 23 psi



As you can see from the chart above this car picked up over 25 whp and 50 ft lbs of torque!!! This thing is an ANIMAL on the street and spools extremely quick


Here are some shot of Nate's car with the FMIC. We are planning on making a subaru FMIC kit but The production core will be a tad bit wider. Let us know what you think


















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Old 02-18-2009, 03:39 PM   #2
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nice numbers for 23psi.
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Old 02-18-2009, 03:43 PM   #3
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dang! nice numbers and the ams fmic looks real good , v-band is the way to go , clean build !
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Old 02-18-2009, 03:53 PM   #4
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Wow . . . The gains on Spool alone are reason enough !!
Great looking "rough" graph. . . gt30 shouldn't lose that much power in the upper end . . . :S
Fine tune that beast and you have one heck of a prototype ! !
Good Work from AMS once again

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Old 02-18-2009, 03:58 PM   #5
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The FMIC proto type looks clean as it is...why not just use that as your production core?
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Old 02-18-2009, 04:16 PM   #6
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with the size of your fmic it should
have given you more than 25 whp & 50 ft-lbs..

but nice numbers and install..to bad the front bumper beam
had to go.

if a vendor would make a fmic that filled the entire lower bumper
opening & retain the factory bumper beam...

the proto-type is for an evo..
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Old 02-18-2009, 04:20 PM   #7
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Pics are working....NM.

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Old 02-18-2009, 04:21 PM   #8
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AMS???? Never heard of 'em !!!!!! LOL great jobs guys.....I must admit....that FMIC looks like its size TINY!
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Old 02-18-2009, 04:23 PM   #9
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The FMIC proto type looks clean as it is...why not just use that as your production core?
Because there's enough room in the subaru bumper to make it even bigger?
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Old 02-18-2009, 04:30 PM   #10
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i think this is the 3rd one of these FMIC tests lately are exactly the opposite of what people always claim with FMIC's.

Wasnt the claim before that FMIC will
- add lag, thus decreasing the low end
- make significant gains at high rpm

i swear this is the 3rd FMIC vs TMIC test lately thats added a shiiite load of low end tq and nothing above 6k rpm.

Was there a retune of this car also? With more boost at higher rpm thats not shown above?
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Old 02-18-2009, 04:37 PM   #11
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Wow . . . The gains on Spool alone are reason enough !!
Great looking "rough" graph. . . gt30 shouldn't lose that much power in the upper end . . . :S
Fine tune that beast and you have one heck of a prototype ! !
Good Work from AMS once again
yes it will its a .63
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Old 02-18-2009, 04:37 PM   #12
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i think this is the 3rd one of these FMIC tests lately are exactly the opposite of what people always claim with FMIC's.

Wasnt the claim before that FMIC will
- add lag, thus decreasing the low end
- make significant gains at high rpm

i swear this is the 3rd FMIC vs TMIC test lately thats added a shiiite load of low end tq and nothing above 6k rpm.

Was there a retune of this car also? With more boost at higher rpm thats not shown above?
don't forget that the TGV's were removed also...

But I did notice also that there was not a loss in spool up..

Throttle response however I bet has taken a hit over the TMIC however... That doesn't show up on the dyno chart as you know.
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I am sure the taper in power up top is due to many things like stock head, Stock cams, Stock intake manifold. I do think the biggest contributing factor is the small .63 A/R hotside

This FMIC core is far from tiny...its efficient. In fact it been proven to work on an EVO efficiently up to 600whp. after that we have a monster core we can put on the car.

I think the plans with the subaru are to extend each side a few inches but keep the core tall like it is now.

The current dimensions of this core pictured above are 12.4" tall, 20" wide (28" with end tanks) and 3.625" thick
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Oh and yes the car was retuned after the mods. We would never post up or do a full pull on a car that is not tuned.

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I'd love to see this car with the .82 backhousing...

Nice to see some V-band kits coming out now
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What Eric forgot to mention is that tune on top mount was done few months ago when temperature outside were in low single digits and with front mount retune few days ago it was in mid 60's.
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You guys just hands down put out some quality stuff. Kudos.
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You guys just hands down put out some quality stuff. Kudos.
agreed. Very impressive from what I've seen so far
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Oh and yes the car was retuned after the mods. We would never post up or do a full pull on a car that is not tuned.

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boost plots of both tunes?
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ever been to the track?
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ever been to the track?

This was just done about a week ago... so no, no tracks are open out here yet.


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i think this is the 3rd one of these FMIC tests lately are exactly the opposite of what people always claim with FMIC's.

Wasnt the claim before that FMIC will
- add lag, thus decreasing the low end
- make significant gains at high rpm

i swear this is the 3rd FMIC vs TMIC test lately thats added a shiiite load of low end tq and nothing above 6k rpm.

Was there a retune of this car also? With more boost at higher rpm thats not shown above?

AMS, do you care to comment on this post by Phatron? I'd like to know what your thoughts are. What was the real driving affect on throttle response?
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This was just done about a week ago... so no, no tracks are open out here yet.


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Yeah I figured, really meant to ask what it ran before the power increase?
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AMS, do you care to comment on this post by Phatron? I'd like to know what your thoughts are. What was the real driving affect on throttle response?
well the reason this specific setup is not making power past 6k is the .63 hotside.
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isn't topspeed using .63 hotsides and making Timeattack winning power? sure apples to oranges but .63 hotside is not the only reason
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