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Old 10-15-2010, 10:35 PM   #1
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Default Class 3 Hitch On A 2006 Baja Turbo?

My dad is looking into getting a 2006 Baja Turbo. We have a boat and would need a class 3 hitch. The boat weights approx. 2000lbs which is within the towing capacity but I would like to know if it is possible to install a class 3 hitch on.

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Old 10-16-2010, 01:26 AM   #2
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if the boat is only 2k, why would you need a class III hitch? The tow limit is set by the frame and engine.
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Old 10-16-2010, 10:07 AM   #3
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What I don't understand is that a 2004 Outback Wagon, which is practically the same car we have, has a 3500lbs towing capacity! How can our half truck only tow a maximum of 2000lbs. It makes no logical sense to me, Subaru did something Wrong here!

I wonder if the Outback Hitch bolts up to the Baja as the frame should be the same. We (Turbo's) have the same Horsepower as a H6 outback, we have more torque, we have the same brakes and we are pretty much the same weight depending on the options. I don't see why we can't pull 3500lbs like the outback.
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Old 10-16-2010, 02:06 PM   #4
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I suspect the reason is the extra 10 inches of sheet metal between ours and the drive train. Newtons laws and all, bigger lever acting on the attachment points, and everything back there is attached with tack welds.
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Old 10-17-2010, 03:06 PM   #5
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also there is no roof support over the rear of the car. The outback is a stiffer vehicle because of this
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Old 10-18-2010, 01:25 PM   #6
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What I don't understand is that a 2004 Outback Wagon, which is practically the same car we have, has a 3500lbs towing capacity!
where did you find that number? everything i looked up says the h4 outback tows 2000lbs and the h6 does 2400lbs just like the base and turbo baja respectively. in 2005 they upped the towing capacity of the outback but thats because its on a different "frame".

ecsubi, just get the factory hitch. its rated to the 2400lb tow rating.
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Old 10-18-2010, 02:47 PM   #7
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weird, every hitch website I look at says 2004 Outback wagon is 3500lbs

here's one link as an example http://www.etrailer.com/hitch-2004_S...ck%20Wagon.htm

You can check many different sites and it will say 3500lbs.

I also checked the catalogs at my old job where they sold hitches and the books say 3500lbs but they couldn't confirm the different mounting locations for the Baja and the 04 Outback wagon.
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Old 10-19-2010, 09:20 AM   #8
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Well, as this is a 4 bolt installation, and having installed mine by myself, it is easy to install.
Having said that, the two bolts that are at the rear of the vehicle is all that holds up the hitch. While they look strong enough, I wouldn't put a whole lot of faith in them! I don't know what their fail safe strength is, but you would want to be on the safe side! Keep the trailer weight at 2,000 lbs. and the hitch weight at the recommended weight!
Yeah, the engine and tranny can handle more weight, but, keep in mind the frame does have its limits!
Keep it under 90, folks!
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Old 10-19-2010, 11:19 AM   #9
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weird, every hitch website I look at says 2004 Outback wagon is 3500lbs
well you learn something new everyday. i personally wouldn't tow that much but to each his own.
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Old 10-19-2010, 12:22 PM   #10
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What I don't understand is that a 2004 Outback Wagon, which is practically the same car we have, has a 3500lbs towing capacity! How can our half truck only tow a maximum of 2000lbs. It makes no logical sense to me, Subaru did something Wrong here!

I wonder if the Outback Hitch bolts up to the Baja as the frame should be the same. We (Turbo's) have the same Horsepower as a H6 outback, we have more torque, we have the same brakes and we are pretty much the same weight depending on the options. I don't see why we can't pull 3500lbs like the outback.
Subaru didn't install a tow package on the Baja. And you shouldn't compare the EJ255 H-4 engine to the H-6; they're different engines for different jobs.

The Baja was built as a light duty truck:
Camping
Garage Sale Shopping
Hauling (which should never be confussed with Towing)

Yes there is a tow bar, but I wouldn't reccomend pulling anything above 1,500lbs.

there have been fights on NASIOC about using the Baja for towing so I wont start one. Keep your speeds low, 60MPH and under to keep your breaks from heating up; and make sure the boat trailer has electronic breaks.

Be careful about maxing out your TOW, and maxing out your HAUL weight; you don't want to boil your transmission oil. If your going to be pulling this boat around, a lot, I would invest in both an "oil cooler" & "transmission cooler"; I reccomend installing pressure gauges in the cabin to monitor your fluids.

Good Luck!
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Old 10-19-2010, 12:25 PM   #11
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where did you find that number? everything i looked up says the h4 outback tows 2000lbs and the h6 does 2400lbs just like the base and turbo baja respectively. in 2005 they upped the towing capacity of the outback but thats because its on a different "frame".

ecsubi, just get the factory hitch. its rated to the 2400lb tow rating.
When it comes to towing:
READ THE OWNER'S MANUAL! If you don't have one your dealer will give you an e-copy. Don't trust any other resource.
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Old 10-20-2010, 07:37 AM   #12
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I've looked for these so called fights on Nasioc and I couldn't find them. I've been researching the matter on NASIOC and Scooby Truck ever since I bought my Baja and I can't find any interesting topics regarding the hitch except people saying it's been debated before.

There has to be someone who put a class 3 hitch on a baja before if there was a debate. I wonder if their Baja broke in half, blew a tranny or ran into the back of a school bus because it ran out of brakes.

I wish out Baja community was more active so we could have a lot more info on our cars.
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Old 10-20-2010, 09:06 AM   #13
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^^ see thats just the problem, the baja community isn't all that active, especially when it comes to modifying. those that do mod are looking for more power or more style(me) but rarely more towing capacity and then even those people aren't willing to drop coin on an outback hitch just to see if it works.

if you search my old posts i got into it with someone about it but the topic wasn't the difference between the baja and outback towing it was someone wanting to drop an h6 in the baja thinking the frame would all of a sudden haul 5klbs.

i dont know what the frame will hold, i don't even have a hitch i just know the manual says what it says. when i tow i use my borrego which is a true body on frame SUV with a 5k limit, thats how i got my miata home when i bought it.
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Old 10-20-2010, 11:21 AM   #14
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Personally, I can't believe this thread has lasted this long, but I can't resist adding my 2 cents. I got the hitch installed at the dealership when I bought my Baja new, it is the small receiver (1.5 x 1.5 I believe) I have personally towed a 12ft tent trailer on more than one occasion the first year I had the Baja, also had camping wood in the bed for one of the trips. I would not do it again as I am sure I was over the recommended limits and I could feel it in the handling and stopping (no brakes on the camper). These Bajas are not made for towing anything more than a light trailer carrying a couple of jet skis at most. Will it tow more? Sure it will. Is it safe and does it handle well hauling more? Hell No! If you decide to tow more anyway, definitely use trailer brakes and add a tranny cooler if you have an automatic.

There I'm done, and I speak from personal experience.
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Old 10-20-2010, 04:25 PM   #15
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^^ see thats just the problem, the baja community isn't all that active, especially when it comes to modifying. those that do mod are looking for more power or more style(me) but rarely more towing capacity and then even those people aren't willing to drop coin on an outback hitch just to see if it works.
I dunno, for the amount of Baja's that are out there, I think it's pretty active. Like you said, I think it's more of people just not trying it out rather than people not being active.
If they haven't tried it, they probably won't respond because they are not sure of the answer.
Baja mods are more experimentation and trial and error.
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Old 10-20-2010, 07:03 PM   #16
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In my opinion, a automatic tranny for 2k pounds is not idealistic in the long run. Maybe the test will only tell but for small engines like the baja's, manual transmissions is your best route. Having read about the all the glitches on automatic trannies, maybe manual is best for the long term. I hauled around 1400 pounds and the car ran fine with the weight, thanks to the turbo, and braked well. Like everyone has suggested, adding electric brakes to the boat is a must because our bajas have small discs and any additional strain to the brakes is not a good look.
If you have the boat already, maybe you should find a dealer that is selling a baja with a hitch installed and "test drive it" and drop the boat on it. If you the see car struggle with the boat, then a toyota tacoma or nissan frontier is your best option. I don't recommend american cars because there are built and programmed to break down. Please don't get me started
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Old 10-20-2010, 07:53 PM   #17
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I'm gonna confess here...

I've got a trailer that weighs around 700lbs. One time I hauled I think 4 skids full of wood chip bedding that had gotten soaked from rain the night before. I'm pretty sure with the added water weight I was towing around 3000 lbs for about 30 miles down a 4 lane state highway.

Let me tell you it was the most terrifying thing ever. I was doing 50mph. There was a line of cars behind me riding my ass - nobody wanted to pass I guess. Looking back now it was completely stupid. But did it tow it? Sure did. Taking it off on some rough country pavement for about 8 miles was just as terrifying if not more.

Then one time I stacked a bunch of wood near the front of the trailer and didn't balance it properly. Tremendous tongue weight. I always take it real easy when I'm towing but after I got above 40mph, a metallic knocking developed - near the front of the car! I said NOPE! Not doing that. Re-distributed the weight and the noise happily went away and never returned. Probably the center diff was on the verge of blowing or something. eeks.

This is all on a 2004 turbo with auto tranny - no drivetrain mods. Feel free to flame me. Yes it was retarded. And I'll never do either of those again!
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Old 10-21-2010, 09:11 AM   #18
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This is all on a 2004 turbo with auto tranny - no drivetrain mods. Feel free to flame me. Yes it was retarded. And I'll never do either of those again!
Flaming is pointless. You just found something that didn't work with the Baja via trial and error!
This helps provide an example about what to watch for.
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Old 10-21-2010, 11:18 AM   #19
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When it comes to towing:
READ THE OWNER'S MANUAL! If you don't have one your dealer will give you an e-copy. Don't trust any other resource.
Ditto. Max for Outback is 2,000 lbs. 2,400 lbs for H6. Dont trust the hitch manufacturers, they dont design the cars, only the hitches.
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Old 10-21-2010, 04:58 PM   #20
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I have a 2003 manual and have been towing a sea doo sportster SCIC jet boat for the last four years every weekend from april to september. I have only had to change the breaks once since I bought the car new in '03. The jet boat weighs 1400 lbs and the trailer brings it to around 2100 lbs. I have no problems going up bridges or around town. I did replace the cluch at 70K and I think most of that is because I have to back it up on the grass to park it on the side of the house. My distance to the ramp is only about 15 miles but I have had to tow the boat in for service 120 miles away. I have had my Baja since they first came out and I still love it. Lumber, Sod, tile etc.
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