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Old 02-23-2009, 01:08 PM   #1
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http://www.scca.com/documents/Fastra...rack-march.pdf

Per the SPAC, the following set of listing changes is proposed for member feedback:
- Subaru WRX STi (’04-’07) BSP
- Subaru WRX and STi (‘08+) BSP, separate line from above



Interesting bits for the Tech Bulletin

Stock: Per 12.4, port-installed options provided by the factory are considered to be the same as those installed on the factory
production line. (ref.. 08-712)

Stock: Effective immediately upon publication, the following new listing is added: Nissan 370Z BS

Street Prepared: Per the SPAC, the “Subaru WRX” listing in ESP is clarified to read: “Subaru WRX (except STi) (’02-’07)”

Prepared: Per the PAC, the following new listings are added and are effective immediately upon publication (ref. 08-467):
Factory Five Mk3 Roadster & Challenge Car XP
Factory Five Type 65 Coupe XP
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Old 02-23-2009, 01:21 PM   #2
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Per the SPAC, the following set of listing changes is proposed for member feedback:
- Subaru WRX STi (’04-’07) BSP
- Subaru WRX and STi (‘08+) BSP, separate line from above



Get your letters ready...
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Old 02-23-2009, 01:25 PM   #3
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Get your letters ready...
Ready? No. Today. Get them in today. They only allow less than a week for member comment to come in. Sometimes even less than that.

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Old 02-23-2009, 01:34 PM   #4
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Wow! Definitely writing a letter on this today...
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Old 02-23-2009, 01:57 PM   #5
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I will write a letter as well. I think it's a mute point, however, because there will be more traditional esp drivers that write than wrx owners.

If your given the choice, making the 08+ wrx's also rans in BSP is far better than making all wrx's also rans in bsp. If that is the case I think you'd start with a sti.

They're concerned with the VF52, thats it.

Right or wrong? IDK. That's the way I see it.

Today, I'm indifferent.

edit: if I'm reading it correctly the tech bulletin takes effect immediately, correct?

Phil, you may wish to reconsider your opposistion to moving them to bsp.

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Old 02-23-2009, 02:03 PM   #6
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If your given the choice, making the 08+ wrx's also rans in BSP is far better than making all wrx's also rans in bsp. If that is the case I think you'd start with a sti.

They're concerned with the VF52, thats it.
Greg,

When you put it that way, I'd have to agree. I definitely wouldn't want to see all WRXs become also-rans in BSP.

I would also agree that the turbo in the '09 WRX (VF52) is concerning many...
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Old 02-23-2009, 02:22 PM   #7
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I would also agree that the turbo in the '09 WRX (VF52) is concerning many...
I don't know about "many," but definitely it is concerning a vocal group of drivers.

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Old 02-23-2009, 02:59 PM   #8
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And for the vast hoards of Saab Sonett owners, you're welcome!

14) Street Prepared: Effective immediately upon publication, the following new listings are added: Saab Sonnet (’68-’74 all) FSP (ref. 08-732)

Nice to see they managed to spell Sonett wrong.

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Old 02-23-2009, 03:11 PM   #9
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And for the vast hoards of Saab Sonett owners, you're welcome!

14) Street Prepared: Effective immediately upon publication, the following new listings are added: Saab Sonnet (’68-’74 all) FSP (ref. 08-732)

Nice to see they managed to spell Sonett wrong.

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Also, can someone point out rule 14.10.6? I can't find it anywhere.
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Old 02-23-2009, 03:14 PM   #10
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Do you think anyone who makes rules actually ever even considers driving a car before classifying it? For god's sake, you can park a 08+ WRX and tell it's not a BSP car
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Old 02-23-2009, 03:32 PM   #11
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Are the 08+ WRX and 08+ STI listed on the same line? Could make for some interesting update/backdate magic.....

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Old 02-23-2009, 03:47 PM   #12
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Phil, you may wish to reconsider your opposistion to moving them to bsp.
humbug!!!
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Old 02-23-2009, 03:55 PM   #13
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Are the 08+ WRX and 08+ STI listed on the same line? Could make for some interesting update/backdate magic.....
That's how the proposal has them listed. So, if the proposal goes through, yes, that would allow for UD/BD between the two.
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Old 02-23-2009, 04:00 PM   #14
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edit: if I'm reading it correctly the tech bulletin takes effect immediately, correct?
Greg,

That's how I'm reading it as well...
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Street Prepared: Per the SPAC, the “Subaru WRX” listing in ESP is clarified to read: “Subaru WRX (except STi) (’02-’07)”
So only an '02-'07 WRX could show up to run in the ESP class currently.
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Are the 08+ WRX and 08+ STI listed on the same line? Could make for some interesting update/backdate magic.....

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That's how the proposal has them listed. So, if the proposal goes through, yes, that would allow for UD/BD between the two.
Yep, Yep. I'm an idiot.

KC, rule 14.10.6 is an obscure rule that explicitly disallows you from calling to light any and all infractions, shortcomings, or tom-foolery by the scca or any of it's govering agents.

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Old 02-23-2009, 04:09 PM   #16
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For god's sake, you can park a 08+ WRX and tell it's not a BSP car
Well, in stock form yes. If the '08+ WRX and STI are on separate lines, besides the WRX tranny issue, how would these cars be different in SP trim?

I haven't written my letter and could swing either way. I'm looking for more info...
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Are the 08+ WRX and 08+ STI listed on the same line? Could make for some interesting update/backdate magic...
Agreed. This is the way I'm starting to lean.
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That's not how I read it. Seperate line. So no interesting UD/BD

KC spelled it out in the 3 sentences.
When it says "separate line from above," that doesn't mean the '08 WRX and '08 STI are on separate lines from each other, only a separate line from the '02-'07 STi.

edit : oooooo, greg with the ninja edit!
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That's how the proposal has them listed. So, if the proposal goes through, yes, that would allow for UD/BD between the two.
Would there even be that much advantage to the ud/bd allowance? I'd imagine once you're done adding diffs and such the weight would be pretty similar, with the biggest difference being transmission.

I read through the threads on sccafourms about this a while ago and found it entertaining how threatened the esp guys were getting about the 09, even though I haven't heard of anyone seriously considering it.

It will be interesting to see how things shake out this year with mccanixx and others making serious efforts at the class. No offense to the esp old guard, but I'm looking forward to you guys shaking things up.
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No offense to the esp old guard, but I'm looking forward to you guys shaking things up.
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I'd like to see either Little, McCance or Brooks at the of ESP in '09!!!
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Old 02-23-2009, 05:22 PM   #20
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KC, rule 14.10.6 is an obscure rule that explicitly disallows you from calling to light any and all infractions, shortcomings, or tom-foolery by the scca or any of it's govering agents.
<-- I swear Nick should just rename this to :kC:

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Old 02-23-2009, 05:39 PM   #21
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Would there even be that much advantage to the ud/bd allowance?
Actually, the big thing I had in mind was having an STI without the doofy fenders. Hehe.

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I read through the threads on sccafourms about this a while ago and found it entertaining how threatened the esp guys were getting about the 09, even though I haven't heard of anyone seriously considering it.
Probably because, as someone else said, one look at the 09 and everyone knew it wasn'g going in ESP.

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Old 02-23-2009, 07:07 PM   #22
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toooooooooooo funny.....
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OK...My question is......Where is the Mazdaspeed in all this... there must be some V8 Guys *really* scared of this one.....to put a 09 WRX in the same class as a STi???? Do they realize how much money it would take to make an 09 WRX competitive in BSP???? OMG...wait *lightbulb* nevermind....
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Does the STi 6-speed still require a shift to 3rd for 60MPH? I think the WRX 5MT will probably add a little more advantage to the STi guys in BSP if they're going to be on the same line - I wonder if the BSP-is-dead-because-of-the-rally-cars guys are paying attention.

Anyone who thinks the 09+ WRX should stay in ESP probably isn't paying attention. But this rule is missing a really really key part. Presumably, they do not want the newly-labelled '09 Impreza GT dropping down to Impreza NOC line in SP.
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EDIT: I just sent my letter.

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By the way, am I the only one who didn't receive email notification of this FastTrack? I normally do.
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