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Old 03-26-2008, 08:51 AM   #1
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I have looked around and haven't got a definate answer on this. Curious on what the highest hp on open source reflashed cars. I want to see the limits.
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Old 03-26-2008, 09:52 AM   #2
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well, I know dom(kitoautosport) tuned byron's FP green'ed sti (with many other mods) to 477hp and 534 lb-ft.
I'd link it but they've block dom's site...

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29.5 psi peak
24psi at redline. "

tried linking the graph but its hosted by the site, so its blocked too
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Old 03-26-2008, 11:39 AM   #3
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*flame suit on*

Dynoflash did a pretty decent job with the ap2.

edit: just saw you said open source. sorry
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Old 03-26-2008, 09:56 PM   #4
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Yeah Al is a mad man at tuning. What he does with an AccessPort more than likely cannot be duplicated with opensource, but I am curious to see what is out there.
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Old 03-27-2008, 01:56 AM   #5
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well, I know dom(kitoautosport) tuned byron's FP green'ed sti (with many other mods) to 477hp and 534 lb-ft.
I'd link it but they've block dom's site...

"Here's a quick list:
DomTuned Built Bottom end:
Wiseco Pistons 100mm -ceramic and moly coated
Crower Rods
COBB bearings
Custom clearances, balancing and sizing (10W-30 to 15-50 synthetic req'd).
Machine work performed by Abacus Racing. Assembly by Me.
TGV Deletes- home ground, welded and polished
Modded Stock injectors
SMC Alky injection
APS FMIC
Header
49lb FrankenGreen Turbo
APS CAI
Perrin turbo inlet
Tial 38mm external Wastegate
Helix V3 Downpipe
Invidia Bad Ass exhaust

NOT A ROTATED TURBO! FACTORY LOCATION, FACTORY INLET SIZE, NOT A 3INCH INLET!

29.5 psi peak
24psi at redline. "

tried linking the graph but its hosted by the site, so its blocked too

not taking anything away from byrons numbers but the dynomite dyno he was on is true garbage. he dyno'd on moon performances mustang dyno and made 368hp... only 2 more hp than me.. and he was on 25psi vs my 22psi and i was on the stock topmount, while he was on an fmic with water injection.... numbers mean dick... take it to the track.
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Old 03-27-2008, 10:16 AM   #6
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not taking anything away from byrons numbers but the dynomite dyno he was on is true garbage. he dyno'd on moon performances mustang dyno and made 368hp... only 2 more hp than me.. and he was on 25psi vs my 22psi and i was on the stock topmount, while he was on an fmic with water injection.... numbers mean dick... take it to the track.

That was his road tuned Water Injection map that you are refering too.

Byron did not dyno the Meth injected tune at Moon Performance. I know he would not have made 477whp on Moon's dyno. However, I would not be surprised to have seen over 400. That car just runs right.


I'll be open source tuning my 07 STi again here in a few weeks.
FP RED
Built Block
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FMIC
etc etc etc

I'll let you know how it turns out.

Joey's 05 STi open sourced in at 517whp on Torquefreeks dyno and 435whp on my mustang MD500SE. That was a fun car to tune.


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Old 03-27-2008, 11:31 AM   #7
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numbers mean dick... take it to the track.
Yes making 500-600 WHP and trapping 125 will show the true side of things.

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Old 03-27-2008, 11:35 AM   #8
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What he does with an AccessPort more than likely cannot be duplicated with opensource
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Old 03-27-2008, 12:12 PM   #9
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Yes making 500-600 WHP and trapping 125 will show the true side of things.

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At this point in my life, I'm gonna go ahead and +1 that.
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Old 03-27-2008, 01:12 PM   #10
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Yes making 500-600 WHP and trapping 125 will show the true side of things.

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absolutely.

On our dyno, my 350whp trapped 117mph at the strip (07 STi)
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Old 03-27-2008, 01:20 PM   #11
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Im definately not the highest but for the mods i have i feel im making nice power. Stock heads,block,clutch,tmic,bpv still. After i upgrade the clutch,fmic,headers,meth,then maybe ill be up there.lol
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Old 03-27-2008, 02:09 PM   #12
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Old 03-27-2008, 02:11 PM   #13
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not taking anything away from byrons numbers but the dynomite dyno he was on is true garbage. he dyno'd on moon performances mustang dyno and made 368hp... only 2 more hp than me.. and he was on 25psi vs my 22psi and i was on the stock topmount, while he was on an fmic with water injection.... numbers mean dick... take it to the track.
well then should I try to dig up the numbers he put down on my mustang...with lower boost settings?...IIRC he was putting down 430-440


this thread is pretty pointless anyhow as numbers don't mean jack unless you are comparing with each car back to back on the same dyno...
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I know it's not opensource but on the factory ecu with an AP I've made 500whp on my Dyno Dynamics and the car went 10.9 at 129 at 4800ft above sea level. On a local dynojet it made 630. As far as we know it was the fastest stock ecu subaru in the world until recently when one of the PR guys went 10.8 on the factory ecu with an AP.

We're in the middle of a new build on the car that made 500. We're hoping for 600 and a 10.5 at 135.
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Old 03-28-2008, 01:05 PM   #16
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Yeah Al is a mad man at tuning. What he does with an AccessPort more than likely cannot be duplicated with opensource, but I am curious to see what is out there.
what the **** are you talking about? thats so stupid its irritating.....and why the hell would opensource not be able to duplicate any flash from a ap?....id love to hear the reasoning behind this
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I know it's not opensource but on the factory ecu with an AP I've made 500whp on my Dyno Dynamics and the car went 10.9 at 129 at 4800ft above sea level. On a local dynojet it made 630. As far as we know it was the fastest stock ecu subaru in the world until recently when one of the PR guys went 10.8 on the factory ecu with an AP.

We're in the middle of a new build on the car that made 500. We're hoping for 600 and a 10.5 at 135.
Drac9 wins... 129mph
Screw the dyno numbers.. It wouldn't be fair to compare a car that makes mid 500whp and traps less to a car that makes 500 and traps 129..
10.9@129
PR car ran 10.8@???

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I know it's not opensource but on the factory ecu with an AP I've made 500whp on my Dyno Dynamics and the car went 10.9 at 129 at 4800ft above sea level. On a local dynojet it made 630. As far as we know it was the fastest stock ecu subaru in the world until recently when one of the PR guys went 10.8 on the factory ecu with an AP.

We're in the middle of a new build on the car that made 500. We're hoping for 600 and a 10.5 at 135.
I'm still on the stock ECU (EcuTek reflash) and I ran 11.3@131mph....damn clutch, I would have gone mid 10. I made 520whp on a Dyno Dynamics.
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I tuned an 06 WRX with GT30R on ecuflash.
Made 508/502 SAE
Trapped 121.13 at 5300ft elevation.
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what the **** are you talking about? thats so stupid its irritating.....and why the hell would opensource not be able to duplicate any flash from a ap?....id love to hear the reasoning behind this
Can you read? People like you give online forums a bad name. A$$hat I was saying what AL does with an access port(ie power gains for certain mods given) would be ahrd to replicate. I am sure just about any tune can be replicated, but Al uses AccessPorts for a reason. I am all about proving that open source tuning can be just as good, but it is not there just yet.

Also, this thread is meant for open source, as stated in my first post. AccessPort flashed is not open source.
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Old 03-28-2008, 11:10 PM   #22
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Can you read? People like you give online forums a bad name.
what was that? wait, lemme quote your own self here:
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Yeah Al is a mad man at tuning. What he does with an AccessPort more than likely cannot be duplicated with opensource, but I am curious to see what is out there.
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A$$hat I was saying what AL does with an access port(ie power gains for certain mods given) would be ahrd to replicate. I am sure just about any tune can be replicated, but Al uses AccessPorts for a reason. I am all about proving that open source tuning can be just as good, but it is not there just yet.


it is you who are giving forums a bad name throwing stupid claims around and then getting butthurt when someone calls you on it.....you are pro-opensource? good for you i could give a ****, you wanna cookie? any tune can be replicated,and and there are many people out there that can write even better tunes than Al, no offense to him. He uses accessports for a reason? o rly? what reason would that be? that its better than opensouce? hell no...... ill bet you have not a single clue as to why either...you just take it that if he uses it, then it MUST be the best platform to tune with.....maybe it is because he has an agreement with cobb much like many other tuners that he wouldnt tune with opensource....not saying thats the case, but most cobb tuners ive ever heard of wont touch opensource saying they are forbidden by cobb to do so.

get off your high horse, you made a ignorant remark and got called on it, no need to lash out about it....man up and have a nince day
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I'm still on the stock ECU (EcuTek reflash) and I ran 11.3@131mph....damn clutch, I would have gone mid 10. I made 520whp on a Dyno Dynamics.
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what was that? wait, lemme quote your own self here:





it is you who are giving forums a bad name throwing stupid claims around and then getting butthurt when someone calls you on it.....you are pro-opensource? good for you i could give a ****, you wanna cookie? any tune can be replicated,and and there are many people out there that can write even better tunes than Al, no offense to him. He uses accessports for a reason? o rly? what reason would that be? that its better than opensouce? hell no...... ill bet you have not a single clue as to why either...you just take it that if he uses it, then it MUST be the best platform to tune with.....maybe it is because he has an agreement with cobb much like many other tuners that he wouldnt tune with opensource....not saying thats the case, but most cobb tuners ive ever heard of wont touch opensource saying they are forbidden by cobb to do so.

get off your high horse, you made a ignorant remark and got called on it, no need to lash out about it....man up and have a nince day

Please calm down.

A few points, in theory a "open source" reflash can make the same exact power as a ecutek reflash or a Cobb AP2.

However, the Cobb Ap2 is the much easier tuning tool due to superior map tracing, live tuning, better data logging and more parameters for tuning such as individual cylinder timing and fuel trims, etc.

The Cobb AP is just a tuning tool. It is just a more advanced tool with more functions and features which makes it better.

Afterall the stock ecu itself is the device which controls the way the engine operates. A tuner just changes the maps.

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I have looked around and haven't got a definate answer on this. Curious on what the highest hp on open source reflashed cars. I want to see the limits.
568 whp was the most we made using a Cobb AP 2 on a 2008 STI

http://blogs.cobbtuning.com/?p=220

TMIC!

and 564 was the most we made with my '05 STI - stock engine and AP2
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