540whp/93oct and 613whp/c16, need more turbo!

[jays05]

Originally Posted by billionaire7

Sweet setup!

I think we have the same long block, do you have Cosworth heads?

No cosworth heads here. Believe it or not this was a budget build Not a lot of work was done to the heads, but whatever was done seems to have worked. Here are some pics: http://aftracingheads.com/project6.html

Originally Posted by ec2k1gt

Do you have any pics of the v-band mod to the uppipe by any chance?

-Vic

I know they got pics when the uppipe was off the car for the v-band flange, I just emailed the shop owner asking for pics... should have them soon.

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[vik_wrx]

Crazy numbers good job man wow

[xdrian]

Originally Posted by D Money

I got mine from P & L motorsports but you can just source the two fittings and braided line and make it yourself. IMO, it was not $99 worth of parts. lol

true true, thanks buddy!

[xdrian]

Originally Posted by jays05

No cosworth heads here. Believe it or not this was a budget build Not a lot of work was done to the heads, but whatever was done seems to have worked. Here are some pics: http://aftracingheads.com/project6.html




I know they got pics when the uppipe was off the car for the v-band flange, I just emailed the shop owner asking for pics... should have them soon.

thats just a mild port! imagine what you can do on some crazy ported heads

[IMPORTEDCARS]

Originally Posted by xdrian

thats just a mild port! imagine what you can do on some crazy ported heads

One would think in (Theory) that with flow numbers, larger valves etc would produce more power. After many years being in the business and building Dozens of turbo BMW's with many different combo's velocity in many cases seems to make the most power to a certain degree. Just because a cylinder head is ported and stuffed with a larger set of valves and flow numbers does no necessarally mean it is going to make more power, such as a larger turbo design manifold, intake or exhaust is SUPPOSED to improve horsepower.. but in most cases looses power.

I have used and tested 8-10 turbo cams on a F.I BMW which again SUPPOSEDLY supposed to pick up power and torque, guess what it may have shifted the power and up a bit due to the duration but the stock cams have been tested in house to produce 996 whp.. a non turbo camshaft.

It's basically all about the combination, we actually made 655whp on a piston and rod engine, stock heads again mild port and polish, heavy duty valves, springs retainers on pump gas and methanol, simple set-up EJ257 Engine.

The moral of the theory is that bigger is not always better... i some cases it is.

But not with forced induction applications at times, hence the air is being forced in by some type of charging.

Great numbers anyhow.

-George Kakaletris

[ec2k1gt]

Originally Posted by jays05

I know they got pics when the uppipe was off the car for the v-band flange, I just emailed the shop owner asking for pics... should have them soon.

Awesome man, I would appreciate it. Ive been meaning to do something along the lines of what you did, I'm tired of replacing gaskets every few weeks.

-Vic

[spoolinsti05]

Originally Posted by IMPORTEDCARS

One would think in (Theory) that with flow numbers, larger valves etc would produce more power. After many years being in the business and building Dozens of turbo BMW's with many different combo's velocity in many cases seems to make the most power to a certain degree. Just because a cylinder head is ported and stuffed with a larger set of valves and flow numbers does no necessarally mean it is going to make more power, such as a larger turbo design manifold, intake or exhaust is SUPPOSED to improve horsepower.. but in most cases looses power.

I have used and tested 8-10 turbo cams on a F.I BMW which again SUPPOSEDLY supposed to pick up power and torque, guess what it may have shifted the power and up a bit due to the duration but the stock cams have been tested in house to produce 996 whp.. a non turbo camshaft.

It's basically all about the combination, we actually made 655whp on a piston and rod engine, stock heads again mild port and polish, heavy duty valves, springs retainers on pump gas and methanol, simple set-up EJ257 Engine.

The moral of the theory is that bigger is not always better... i some cases it is.

But not with forced induction applications at times, hence the air is being forced in by some type of charging.

Great numbers anyhow.

-George Kakaletris

I feel some of your info is correct. But not all of it. Again as stated the car is out of turbo. If he had a 1.06a/r hot side with a 3" outlet and possibly a T4 housing I'm sure it would make 650 or more. You say the head's are mild P&P have any pictures I'd like to see them.

But not that that matter's Al Jr Tuned car's perform at the track and that's what most of us care about. I could care less if I built my motor and made 550whp as long as I'm running 10.40 or better at 135mph.

I'd like to see what this car your talking about run's at the track. The one that made 650whp one piston and rod's with stock head's. I think P&P and Cam's and bigger valves is a bit much for a turbo this size. But Jay has the right idea of .5 mm over sized valves mild P&P and cam's.

Anyway's enough high jerking lol.

Good job Jr and Jay. I seen the you tube vid's and that thing rip's. Perfect daily driver. Should easily see mid 10's and 130mph+ traps.

BTW what size pistons are in the car? How do you feel it will hold up? I wanted to do sleeves but I am hurting for cash right now. The girlfriends got a lot of wishes and in my book she comes first.

[spoolinsti05]

Originally Posted by jays05

We found that my DSS driveshaft was rubbing in one spot. But the rear diff still growls around 20mph even with the rubbing problem fixed. The growling noise stops when I'm on the brakes.

They are BFG DRs 225/45/17 on 17x8 Enkei RPF1s.


We fixed the leaking uppipe gasket for good by cutting off the 2-bolt flange and replacing with v-band flanges. The leaking Moroso oil pan is fixed. There was still one oil leak though at the passenger side AVCS banjo bolt (custom line has always leaked), my car is now awaiting a P&L SS AVCS line and I also bought the SS power steering line just to clean things up under the hood.

Nice man I'd like to get the power steering line also. The stock one look's ugly with a rotated kit.

I get a slight clunk when i hit the gas and let off but it sound to be coming more from the tail shaft of the transmission viscus coupler maybe? Idk I'm gonna let it ride out and see what happens if it breaks then I'll just do 1-4 PPG's 5th and 6th high speed syncro gear's.

[jays05]

I don't DD my STI and it gets treated well. I beat on it much less than I would a 300-400whp car. The pump gas map is retartedly fast and very loud and there aren't many situations on the street where it is wise or safe to unleash it. So I think that will help with longevity compared to somebody that gets a built block and beats the **** out of it every day.

I agree with George that more is not always better with headwork. I got a good price on the headwork that was done and I think we got the max effect for the min effort and cost.

I still don't have the uppipe pics, when I go pick my car up in a day or two I will nag them about the pics again.

[spoolinsti05]

Originally Posted by jays05

I don't DD my STI and it gets treated well. I beat on it much less than I would a 300-400whp car. The pump gas map is retartedly fast and very loud and there aren't many situations on the street where it is wise or safe to unleash it. So I think that will help with longevity compared to somebody that gets a built block and beats the **** out of it every day.

I agree with George that more is not always better with headwork. I got a good price on the headwork that was done and I think we got the max effect for the min effort and cost.

I still don't have the uppipe pics, when I go pick my car up in a day or two I will nag them about the pics again.

Yea once you have over 500whp it's like you mature a lot you realize that it's no longer a toy. And you must keep thing civil on the street. In most situations lol.

Mind if I ask how much you spent on doing just the block and head's all together. I'm just trying to get some Ideas if I want to do sleeves or not. Because I will be very happy with 650whp or so.

How much boost did Ron say the motor can handle?

[Ntercooled]

Originally Posted by spoolinsti05

Yea once you have over 500whp it's like you mature a lot you realize that it's no longer a toy. And you must keep thing civil on the street. In most situations lol.

I agree. That is why I have been so reluctant to try to achieve that amount of power.

[spoolinsti05]

Originally Posted by Ntercooled

I agree. That is why I have been so reluctant to try to achieve that amount of power.

Yea man I get on it in one gear and that's enough for me for the rest of the night lol.

[blowbyu24]

Originally Posted by spoolinsti05

Yea man I get on it in one gear and that's enough for me for the rest of the night lol.

just knowing you have the power at your disposal is enough to give you shots of adrenaline

[jays05]

Originally Posted by spoolinsti05

Yea once you have over 500whp it's like you mature a lot you realize that it's no longer a toy. And you must keep thing civil on the street. In most situations lol.

Mind if I ask how much you spent on doing just the block and head's all together. I'm just trying to get some Ideas if I want to do sleeves or not. Because I will be very happy with 650whp or so.

How much boost did Ron say the motor can handle?

About $1500 on the heads plus parts (valves, springs, retainers, cams). Ron also needed a few new buckets when he got the heads and there was a $400 charge for tearing down, reassembling, and cleaning the heads IIRC.

For the block it's hard to say how much I spent because it has been pulled apart and put back together a couple times before I started dealing with Ron. The block has been resurfaced twice, the heads 2-3 times, and it's been honed 3x now. The cost of rework really adds up.

27-28psi and 77-7800 were the limits that Ron and I discussed for this motor. So I had Junior stay within those parameters. Boost is just a measure of a restriction, this setup flows like crazy and I think the custom FMIC is helping a lot with that.

[xdrian]

Originally Posted by jays05

About $1500 on the heads plus parts (valves, springs, retainers, cams). Ron also needed a few new buckets when he got the heads and there was a $400 charge for tearing down, reassembling, and cleaning the heads IIRC.

For the block it's hard to say how much I spent because it has been pulled apart and put back together a couple times before I started dealing with Ron. The block has been resurfaced twice, the heads 2-3 times, and it's been honed 3x now. The cost of rework really adds up.

27-28psi and 77-7800 were the limits that Ron and I discussed for this motor. So I had Junior stay within those parameters. Boost is just a measure of a restriction, this setup flows like crazy and I think the custom FMIC is helping a lot with that.

that fmic you haev is good for 900+hp so it flows a lot of cold air! im planning on getting the same one

[Celtic1982citleC]

I don't miss my built motor STI one bit

[D Money]

Originally Posted by jays05

Yes I got it from P&L. Sure you could clone it with parts ordered from jegs or summitracing but I know the P&L kit works and don't want to screw around with a DIY line that might leak or cause other problems. I am sick and tired of leaks lol.

The original ones from P & L leaked with the blue fittings so they have since updated them. Wish it still had the blue fitting though.

Originally Posted by xdrian

true true, thanks buddy!

No worries bro! If you piece it together, try russel or earls fittings.

Originally Posted by xdrian

that fmic you haev is good for 900+hp so it flows a lot of cold air! im planning on getting the same one

What core does Jay have again? 24.5x10x3.5? Damn, I want that one, but instead I just got the full-race one for 750hp 24.5x10x3

[jays05]

Originally Posted by Celtic1982citleC

I don't miss my built motor STI one bit

I can't believe you spent all that money then sold the thing. Could have just replaced the motor with another stocker.

Originally Posted by D Money

What core does Jay have again? 24.5x10x3.5? Damn, I want that one, but instead I just got the full-race one for 750hp 24.5x10x3

The core I am using is a 12x24x3.5" garrett core. According to their catalog it looks like it's actually the "925hp" core.

The IC piping that Synapse made me is all 3" ID, there are no sharp bends or pie cuts, and the IC endtanks are also 3" in/out. I think this FMIC could handle a 42r no problem.

[D Money]

yeah that's a beast ass core. lol

[spoolinsti05]

Originally Posted by jays05

I can't believe you spent all that money then sold the thing. Could have just replaced the motor with another stocker.



The core I am using is a 12x24x3.5" garrett core. According to their catalog it looks like it's actually the "925hp" core.

The IC piping that Synapse made me is all 3" ID, there are no sharp bends or pie cuts, and the IC endtanks are also 3" in/out. I think this FMIC could handle a 42r no problem.

How much did the custom piping run?

[jays05]

Originally Posted by spoolinsti05

How much did the custom piping run?

I PM'd you the details. What I will say here is it didn't cost any more than your typical (non-ebay) fmic kit. The core we used fits great, the top of the bumper cover sits right on top of it and the bottom of the core is flush with the lip. 2.75" hotside IC piping might be less laggy with little impact on power. I noticed more lag compared to my old SSAC FMIC but the FFS completely negates it.


Lebanon Valley Dragway opening day is two weeks away on April 18, I'm gonna try for 10s on 93oct next. The pump gas map is potent and I wouldn't be surprised if it trapped 128mph or so. Especially after I remove the rear bumper beam and passenger seat

[john 1badSTI]

with the power you made on pump you should be real close to 10.90's on pure pump,it will just take a lot of practice and great driving.Good luck let me know how it goes.

[ScoobyDoo42]

Subscribed Jay. Looking good!

[armyssoldierboy]

i want it so bad, im jealous. great setup bro.

[spoolinsti05]

Soon the track will be open. Can't wait to see what she run's.