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Old 03-08-2009, 01:51 AM   #1
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Its got JE pistons and STI rods in an ej205, going into a APvf34 OTS map ecu. DO I need a break in period? Can i break it in with an OTS map? How many miles for break in? or does it depend on the milage of the ej20 block?, or can i get a tune directly after... please give me advice, info i should take into consideration.
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Old 03-08-2009, 03:06 AM   #2
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I'm no expert, but I'd have it tuned right out of the gate. With all that work, why not have a true expert give it the map it deserves?
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Old 03-08-2009, 03:09 AM   #3
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you need to have your tuner flash a break in map for you. Usually its a low boost, VERY safe map that you can run until you build enough miles on the new block to tune it for power.
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Old 03-08-2009, 03:13 AM   #4
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Every body has there own break in technique. I have been told break in methods by a few trusted builders and they have night and day differences. One says break in map changing RPM's and boost levels at different intervals. The other says full boost from the very get go, he said a new motor needs to see the boost you plan on running....
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Old 03-08-2009, 03:22 AM   #5
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Def get a limp map and drive it like that for 1000-2000 miles before getting another tune
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Old 03-08-2009, 03:44 AM   #6
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Its got JE pistons and STI rods in an ej205, going into a APvf34 OTS map ecu. DO I need a break in period? Can i break it in with an OTS map? How many miles for break in? or does it depend on the milage of the ej20 block?, or can i get a tune directly after... please give me advice, info i should take into consideration.
you are going to ask this in the n00b forum???

are you out of your mind???

ask the person who built the bloody thing...not the n00bs here
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Old 03-08-2009, 03:53 AM   #7
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you are going to ask this in the n00b forum???

are you out of your mind???

ask the person who built the bloody thing...not the n00bs here
This.


I was shocked when I read this thread. There isn't ANYONE who can give you a correct answer in this forum. FFS, they can't even work out their own exhaust setup without needing someone to hold their hand and walk them through it like a toddler.
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Old 03-08-2009, 03:54 AM   #8
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please see a professional tuner BEFORE you even start the car for the first time.

best advice you'll ever get!
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Old 03-08-2009, 04:16 AM   #9
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you are going to ask this in the n00b forum???

are you out of your mind???

ask the person who built the bloody thing...not the n00bs here
Haha! You sir, hit the nail on the head!
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Old 03-08-2009, 11:30 AM   #10
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Yeah im gonna have to agree with Uncle Scotty on this. My bad. I was really tired, and a question that just popped in my head when i remembered the block had 0 miles.

no doubt I'm going to need a tune right after its in. but a good point, will they have to give me a break in map with a new new motor!? sounds like a good idea... I'll email phil at element tuning to see if he was gonna go balls out on the first tune.

Thanks guys you knock some sense into me.
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Old 03-08-2009, 01:32 PM   #11
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I think it's a valid question for us 'NOOBS' out here because there are many factors to consider after a build and not all builds are the same. A tuner usually is not the person who built the engine and must be given all the specifics in order to make a conserative map for the break in period which will vary depending on factors like bearing clearances, pistons and rings used, new vs used cams and fueling. The closer the tolerances, a longer break in period is required and a more conservative map. Purpose built race engines don't see 10miles of running before tweaking max HP tunes.
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Old 03-08-2009, 01:58 PM   #12
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Yeah, i just Pmed element tuning. It was Phils motor for his time attack, My tuner is in CT. Its a purpose built race engine, but it will see 20 miles to get tuned
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Old 03-08-2009, 03:00 PM   #13
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whats this engine going to be used for? People here cant make any guesses without knowing what some components like rings and engine use will be.

One of the big purposes of a break in is to seat the rings, that is different depending on the rings.
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I would say the most important aspect of the 0-mile tune is AFR, it must not be too rich that it washes the walls down. After that, it's up to your tuner/builder to determine best tuning methodologies according to the build, and its intended purpose.
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Old 10-25-2009, 06:57 PM   #15
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Woa woa. I thought sti rods were longer than stock ej205's... hey adas1223, how is your car running? cause I have JE pistons too, and have to wait to get rods but if stock sti rods fit I could get them fast. what turbo are you going to run?

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Its got JE pistons and STI rods in an ej205, going into a APvf34 OTS map ecu. DO I need a break in period? Can i break it in with an OTS map? How many miles for break in? or does it depend on the milage of the ej20 block?, or can i get a tune directly after... please give me advice, info i should take into consideration.
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Old 10-25-2009, 08:29 PM   #16
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Phil built the engine, he can answer this question. Nobody else can.
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could the pin height in the piston have been adjusted to correct for the difference in rod length?
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get some boost in her but probably not over wastegate boost, but be hard on her and seat those rings right away...I did it on my new motor and had very little oil consumption
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get a good conservative break in map and drive it hard once everything is properly warmed up.
DO NOT forget to change your oil frequently
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Woa woa. I thought sti rods were longer than stock ej205's... hey adas1223, how is your car running? cause I have JE pistons too, and have to wait to get rods but if stock sti rods fit I could get them fast. what turbo are you going to run?
Runs perfect!im still with my trusty 80k mile vf34 on 10psi haha. right now i have the stock tbe and its noticeably chatty on initial startup from the outside.. not bad at all. stock like, once warm. as for the STI rods, it could be usdm/jdm dunno, phil told me they're STI. im guessing usdm.
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Phil built the engine, he can answer this question. Nobody else can.
Yes he did, gave me a walkthrough to tell my tuner aswell. pm'd me all the details and messages of the build!
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get some boost in her but probably not over wastegate boost, but be hard on her and seat those rings right away...I did it on my new motor and had very little oil consumption
no loss as far as my eye could see. I needed 6psi from the get go to seat the rings, and keep it under 5k or 10psi limits.
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get a good conservative break in map and drive it hard once everything is properly warmed up.
DO NOT forget to change your oil frequently
Nastiest first oil change I could remember haha. I broke it in on my ots AP vf34 map.

Im also going for another tune very soon this time with a MBC. i still need to find a deal on some 650cc injectors
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Old 11-04-2009, 09:40 PM   #21
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are you using special sized je pistons? i ask this because alot of people on here are saying that the sti rods are longer. I am also putting together an ej205 with je pistons...

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Old 11-04-2009, 11:52 PM   #22
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"I had that motor built for an RS project that I shelved due to being so busy. This engine has JE pistons, rings, wrist pins, STi rods, new crank and rod bearings, and the rest is OEM all the way through the heads. Every part was fitted perfectly and the valves buckets shimmed correctly. I honestly have very little recollection other than what I stated of this motor as it was so long ago."

you could pm Phil, his email is on his site if you want to know compatibility
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