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Old 06-15-2007, 02:24 AM   #1
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Default ver8 spec c ra sti swap into 93 wagon

hi guys,
I'm trying to get the whole project up on here with pics and all that good stuff, but since i'm new, I need the 8 replies to my posts...
so please read this and give me replies so I can post this build.

its a 93 impreza L wagon fwd auto...
we got a full jdm ver8 sti motor/ dccd trans/ front crossmember, suspension, brakes/ same with rear/ rear diff/ etc.......

I got a full writeup on our build so gimme some replies so I can post it...


thanks...

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Old 06-15-2007, 12:01 PM   #2
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yup
you have peaked the intersted enough
i say go ahead and post your #2-10 in this thread it will take you a few mins but we would love to see it
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Old 06-15-2007, 12:29 PM   #3
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i would also love to see it
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Old 06-15-2007, 02:08 PM   #4
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ditto man!
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Old 06-17-2007, 10:24 AM   #5
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bump to see these pics
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Old 06-17-2007, 10:52 AM   #6
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Yes I want to see this
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Old 06-17-2007, 10:54 AM   #7
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Go to the "members car gallery" to get your 8 post.....
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Old 06-17-2007, 11:23 AM   #8
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i would love to see this.

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Old 06-17-2007, 11:34 AM   #9
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yeah, I'm game too. Although I'm sure you can find a place to get those 8 posts where you actually post some useful information.
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Old 06-17-2007, 08:26 PM   #10
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Default got the 8 posts, still no pics though

awe man,
I counted 8 replies so i tried to post the pics but it says i only have 4???????
off to other areas to get the remainder I guess....
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Old 06-17-2007, 09:42 PM   #11
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pic time

sorry for the bad pics, good ol celphone, this is how bad we documented this build.....

storytime

about a year ago my buddy was going to buy a new subaru sti,
I figured since i've done some swaps, why not just swap an sti motor into an older body impreza
he liked the idea since he loved his 95 impreza sport wagon, so the quest began

he bought a 93 impreza L wagon , front wheel drive auto, for 1500.00
we sourced out a full jdm sti front clip from a importer for 10,000
the day he went to buy it, the place sold it :x
then they said, but we just got one in with 10,000 mi, no front clip....
he was eager, so went for it for 9,000

while waiting for the motor we tore into the impreza, little did we know what we were getting into



finally the goodies arrive
the motor, tranny, front n rear crossmember, rear diff, suspension, brakes, driveshaft, wiring harness, and steering rack
it was supposed to be a running motor, but dun dun duuhhhhhn,
the timing belt is hanging out of a broken cover on the left side of the motor, and the motor won't turn at all :x





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Old 06-17-2007, 09:43 PM   #12
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not to mention the wiring harness is chopped beyond belief with the quick job they did in taking the car apart


at this point we didn't know much about the swap, we kinda figured we would just learn as we go, so we became a bit overwhelmed to say the least
so we freak out a good bit, but just so happens we get in contact with a guy right down the street who owns a all inclusive repair shop...his previous job was a subaru tech for the past 15 years...

welcome our fixit man....

so my buddy gets the importer to comp the cost of the build and the motor gets rebuilt...this takes a few months as he has to source all jdm parts

little guy awaiting its motor


after a good while we get the new motor back :P

she goes into the car



in the time inbetween we had to find a new steering rack because the other was cashed due to the impact the doner car had taken,
get a driveshaft (since we didn't get one),
got an exhaust 3 in turbo back really nice , had to weld a different flange for the twin scroll turbo
got rims to clear the sti brembos
found out we had to use the stock lower a arms, so we didn't have to source out another sti lower a arm due to a damaged one


get another turbo impreza front crossmember since we couldn't use the na one because of a space for the downpipe
we were somewhat bummed about not having the whole rhd swap, but oh well, thats just for some jdm stylepoints we both aren't worried about anyway
and get a awd gas tank to clear the rear diff

begin wiring

in the time awaiting the motor to be rebuilt we figured out the wiring, (as much as we could)...
we ended up swapping out the whole stock harness with the sti harness flipped over



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Old 06-17-2007, 09:43 PM   #13
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after the motor and harness are in the car, its pretty much plug into the motor since we have mostly a complete harness other than it upside down
all that ended up cut was the headlights, radiator, no door cords, and nothing to the rear
so we get the motor plugged in, splice what we think is right for the fuel pump, get power going and nothing...
we are dumbfounded
(those of you who know of my lack of knowlege in my coupe build posts, can see how easy the dumbfoundedness arrives, and my buddy is no smarter :?
so out of desperation she gets towed to a shop called kingpin
this is a shady ass shop, but the only one who has a guy who wants to delve into the wiring just to get her running rather than oversee all the wiring and gurantee it....

a month goes by and "come pick her up"
since it is a jdm motor, he had to buy a ecutec piggyback, fully programable ecu, to lower the timing a bit for the lower octane american gas
and also come to find we got a type ra transplant and tranny..
meaning a bit better gearing and a 7 way electromagnetic dif that we don't have a switch for yet, so by default it is about 80-20 rear to front power.....
so its all tuned and running good for us to pick her up
we get there and it fires right up, we are creming our drawers about to be able to drive it, but immediately comes the disclaimer,
"I wasn't able to street tune it too long since a front axle broke, but don't wory, it drives fine"...hmmmm, "you got 10 miles to drive? no problem"

I'm following him at this point pulling out of the shop with the two parts of the broken axle grinding a bit but it seems fine once its in gear cruising..
we get a mile or two, got on it once in second and the rears began to spin in full boost, holy sh#t its fast...
and then the gears don't want to engage, starts smoking and **** hits the fan...he's able to get it to engage occasionaly to rol, once engaged it cruises fine, but once the clutch goes in it won't engage the driveshaft any more....
so we limp back finally with a couple more miles to go

we call the subaru tech who gets the halfshaft rebuilt that day, crazyfast...
so we get all excited, put the shaft on, start the car and blop, blop, blop...
its driving like ****.....bogging with any throttle, idling like (&)*))(&*)(*----very bad words...

frustration again...
we figure the computer reset and the tune is gone and it drives like that with the stock jdm tune....
just so happens we can't get ahold of dude who tuned the car to get the tune to upload and the shop is out of business....days after we got the car....
so out of desperation we go to another shop to get a tune since we can't custom tune it without a dealer code....and the ecutec people couldn't give us a basemap due to some bad readings from his o2 sensor not heating up or something.......

we get to the shop after a long put...the shop is called dyno comp..
we have an appt for 9:00....well I guess you don't get the time of day there unless you rol in with a lambo or something (they have one in the showroom)...11:00 rols around and finally they get to his car...5 min into it they simply say we can't do anything, the motor's blown.....

wtf.......very bad day...

we put back home freaking out..
he calls the subie tech that rebuilt the motor and he's insistent that the motor's fine...

so comes next shop who will take a look at it
by this point, after so much time and frustration in the build, he just wants someone to fix it and be done with it...
they pressure test and leakdown the motor, its not blown....fewwwwwww.
so then why is it running ****ty?
they check the fuel stystem, no blockages,
timing, no skips, dead on..
come wiring...they don't want to delve into that...
"come pick up your car, its a wiring issue, we don't want deal with that"

it was a sad day driving to pick up a car putting home once again..
we get there and they say, we put it back together and all of a sudden it idles fine,,,,,huhhhhhhhhh.......

so I follow him home, boosting and all.....
its running like a champ........
wtf...........
we search for a possible short somewhere that could have caused it or anything with wiring we could possibly find, and nothing...

come present day (1 mo later)
the car is driving great still, we're splicing in everything else to get her fully operational...
and wow is it fun to drive..
it feels like a light porsche with a light end, kinda wierd...
launching at 8,000 and the rears chirp a bit but it goes...
it acts like a rwd car while sliding around
(it'll be like that until we get a diff controller made)
did I mention revving to 8,000

she still needs a tune but it is healthy and driving and I am overjoyed...
to the point that I just sat for over an hour writing this story with what photos we have from the build....
and it isn't even my car, but it sure is good motivation to get mine driving to go rip around with it..

if you read this far, thanks,
it must not have been too boring.....

here's her today, nice rattlecanned black....


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Old 06-17-2007, 10:13 PM   #14
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where did you get the clip from? price?
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Old 06-17-2007, 10:21 PM   #15
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osaka jdm imports..9,000$...
20,000km on her...


but as you read, it wasn't a running motor as they promised, and they were a bitch to deal with to get our money to rebuild the motor....

if we had gotten an actual complete front clip, it would have been so much easier too....
and then on the contrary, I've heard of people having no problems with them..
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Old 06-17-2007, 11:21 PM   #16
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the neetronics unit is the way to go to make the center diff work
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Old 06-18-2007, 01:07 AM   #17
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neetronics eh....i'll check that out for sure....

one dude told me just to go to radio shack and get a simple voltage regulator dial to control the amount of current to the diff....
I forgot though how much current is for each setting though....
we'll prolly end up just getting a nice controller....but after all this wiring and testing, I'm starting to enjoy playing with this electricity stuff...
It was always foreign to me, but its so simple once you learn it.
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Old 06-18-2007, 01:34 AM   #18
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Nice, I'm thinking about picking up a 93-95 L to do a Ver 5 or 6 swap. Sucks about osaka, Some people from the nissan side of thigs had bad dealings with them too. Where dose everyone else buy there front clips?
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Old 06-18-2007, 02:06 AM   #19
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jazzproparts is one thats ok i think....
i'm sure you can search on here and there is prolly a whole thread dedicated to importers of jdm clips as so many people do the swaps...
we just got lucky to get a newbie motor (ver8), but the only problem is that no one we talked to had done the newer version into that chassis......forbidden territory of some sort...not to mention not getting a full clip, so we had to find so much shizznit we didn't get for the swap...
I hear ver4/5 into L chassis is butters...and much cheaper...and with a decent clip, just swap it all out (everything) and you can even plug in the rear wiring harness to the existing car harness for the rear.....
spliceless......
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Old 06-26-2007, 05:45 PM   #20
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How did the suspension and stuff bolt up? What about the guages? The 120 mph max is certainly not enough for your STI ver 8 motor haha. You guys are my heros, I'd like to do this to my 98 wagon
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Old 06-27-2007, 12:46 AM   #21
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the suspension in the front bolted right up.....
only wierd stuff is we couldn't use the sti lower a arms, but thats about it....

with the rear...all bolted up except for the 3 strut bolts....
we just drilled out 2 holes while we let one of the strut bolts sit in the stock hole...
the sti is a bigger triangle as opposed to the L upper strut mounts...

with the odometer, we cheated and used a sti guage cluster, so we didn't have to splice and it goes up to 300km
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Old 06-27-2007, 01:42 PM   #22
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Great project and definately motivation I am looking for I too will be doing this swap in my wagon (bugeye though) but one question, was it me or did you leave that water bottle on your windshield the whole project from stipping it down till wheels/motor/wireharness........ installed ??
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the gauge fit in the same spot?

how much was the electrical work?

btw what state are you in? how's smog?
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Old 06-28-2007, 01:12 AM   #24
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I never noticed that waterbottle...
we very well may have just left it there the whole build, or could have been a new one.....thats comedy though...

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the gauge fit in the same spot?

how much was the electrical work?

btw what state are you in? how's smog?
the jdm sti guage cluster is a bit different than the old L one...
it slants back toward the top where the L one slanted forward...
we still haven't gotten the dash in yet, but we started the mockup with making the sti one fit....
its hard to explain, but it isn't going to be 100%, but it'll look decent...
I'll have pics of that when we get movin again...
(easiest would most likely just to get the usdm sti dash and trim it a bit to fit the L chassis, along with the center consoles....but we wanted ac, which we're now doubting will ever happen, so we didn't want to deal with the ducting of the two different systems.....)

the electrical work to get her running was a about a grand, it really wasn't too much work for the dude, just a few things we missed and a couple mixups, but with that he put in the ecutec and street tuned it----which was lost on the drive home cuz holy sh&* it was fast with that tune..(now dude is gone somewhere)
but if you get a complete clip, or a complete harness, the wiring would be cake....
we spent hours wondering why it wouldn't turn over, looking over jdm diagram, usdm diagram, tracing and headaches, we just had to give up at one point......

I'm in az...the smog here isn't too bad. that car was registered and smogged just before we did the swap, so we still have about a year to drive before we have to worry....
but it sure won't pass without a cat..
but here having that motor in the car and such is no problem, so long as it passes emissions....
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Old 10-23-2007, 07:03 PM   #25
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been a while, but finally got the interior settled for the most part.....








still need the covering part for behind the steering wheel for jdm switches if anyone knows of one.....
also a wiper motor from a newer impreza, and a wing sooner or later
then we have to mold the two guage cluster housings together for a nice look and find some new interior to maker her look good (sti?? or some other seats and rewrap the doors and rear to match), oh yea, and the paint job too........(but we might be waiting for a while and splurge on a full 22b widebody kit before paint, bit pricy so we'll see)
but other than that,
all the wiring is settled...
its all freestyle, but it works like a charm....(windows are wired to a constant power, brights are on their own switch in the center console, and many more randoms that i couldn't begin to name off....)
we also didn't put in the ac, since the plumbing is all crazy.....
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