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Old 04-11-2002, 07:02 PM   #1
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Since this was a hot topic...

I've talked to a guy in a silver S4 that has his chipped and plans to drag it this summer. He said he'll eat the WRX.

The WRX can be in the 13's for $5.

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Old 04-11-2002, 07:17 PM   #2
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winslow, you need to show him whats up
does he have any other mods that are supporting the Chip, intake ,exhaust ?
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Old 04-11-2002, 07:35 PM   #3
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My car isn't the fastest car out there. I think Ben with the nitrous has us all beat.

I'm not sure what other mods he has.

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Old 04-11-2002, 08:13 PM   #4
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With a chip and exhaust, most guys get low 13's in the S4.
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Old 04-11-2002, 08:44 PM   #5
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I've read many times that the S4 engine is very detuned and that with just a chip it'll make 300hp. But I bet it would require a intake and exhaust to get to that. Suposedly there's some running high 12s with intake, and full turbo back with the boost turned up. I bet that kind of run takes some damm good driving. But if he only has the chip then it'll be a good and close race. I Always wanted to race an S4..
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Old 04-11-2002, 08:50 PM   #6
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Competition is so much fun.

Well, here is a video of a guy running a S4 with chip/intake/downpipe with cats. Clutch/turbos/tires are stock.

365 horsepower

I was told that with a chip alone I should expect around 13.1 in a 1/4 mile and 0-60 around 4.9 (310 hp/390 torque)

Anyhow, check the video of the Nogaro S4 here.

12.88 @ 108.3 MPH
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Old 04-11-2002, 09:54 PM   #7
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damn...that vid was cool!
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Old 04-11-2002, 10:00 PM   #8
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I've read many times that the S4 engine is very detuned and that with just a chip it'll make 300hp. But I bet it would require a intake and exhaust to get to that. Suposedly there's some running high 12s with intake, and full turbo back with the boost turned up. I bet that kind of run takes some damm good driving. But if he only has the chip then it'll be a good and close race. I Always wanted to race an S4..
Well that used to be the case. But, GIAC just made a new chip and it will put a Stock S4 in the Mid to high 12's. Here is a quote from the site:

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Video of "Papa Smurf" racing our new "X" program at Speedworld Raceway, Oct. 17, 2001 in Phoenix, AZ running a blistering 12.88 sec @ a very healthy 108.3 mph (then another 12.95 @ 108 mph) in the 1/4 mile. As far as we can tell, this is the first street (and race?) S4 to run in the 12s in the USA. S4 Mods include GIAC's "XR" 100-octane program, EVO intake, and downpipes with cats. Clutch, turbos and tires are stock. While at EVOMs in Phoenix reprogramming a 996TT we worked on Papa Smurf's 2001 S4 recalibrating his "XR" chip for this race; now making the "X" program one of the most powerful programs available. We estimate his horsepower to be a conservative ~365-370 on stock turbos.
Here is GIAC's website
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Old 04-12-2002, 01:02 AM   #9
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A s4 is under tuned i was going too get that imola yellow one but when i drove it, wasn't tha fast too much lag. Race him winslow show him whats up i would but Iam retired for now . Need mrt gears now! Mike have you see tat guy again the one with the black s4
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Old 04-12-2002, 01:45 AM   #10
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Here's a few vids of a couple guys in an S4 playing with a red Z06 and a yellow Z06, I like the commentary of the guys in the S4

http://www.roadtoad.net/users/jmoore...vs.Red-Z06.avi

http://www.roadtoad.net/users/jmoore...6vsMustang.avi

http://www.roadtoad.net/users/jmoore...tangvs.Z06.avi
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Old 04-12-2002, 01:54 AM   #11
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those vids are pretty good too!
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Old 04-12-2002, 01:55 AM   #12
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R-RATED, you would be the FIRST person I've ever heard say that the S4 has turbo lag. Are you sure you know what you're talking about? You might wanna drive an S4 instead of an A4. Recall: Twin K03 turbos. There is a point to all that you know?

Also, biturbo is not the same as twin turbo.

Biturbo is a completely different type of system from a sequential twin turbo. A biturbo system has one turbo that starts out in order to boost low range power and another turbo that kicks in after the first one ceases to boost high range power. Audi Biturbo engines have one turbo working on each bank of cylinders. So rather than the large boost that a twin turbo delivers within a certain rpm range which then trails off, the biturbo system delivers a turbo boost throughout the rpm range. I think that is about as basic as I can describe it.


That's a primary criticism of most turbo cars, including the WRX, but I've NEVER heard anybody who has half a brain say that about the S4.

Valid criticisms of the S4 in my opinion involve the brakes, curb weight, and rubbery shift throws, which were consequently, things I like much more about the WRX.
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Old 04-12-2002, 02:35 AM   #13
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It wasn't that fast because you didn't know how to drive it. Period. An S4 undertuned and too much lag? Now I've heard it all. You obviously don't know how to appreciate an automobile.
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Old 04-12-2002, 02:39 AM   #14
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If you're getting lag in a twin turbo car you need to downshift...

Actually a sequential system is different, the RX-7 (like mine) is has sequential turbo system. The term sequential is first one and then the other and is the same as biturbo, in other words a sequence of events... At around 2000 rpm the first turbo kicks in, and the turbo precontrol door in the exhaust manifold opens a little to spool up the second turbo. The first turbo pushes 10 psi until 4500 rpm. Then the charge control actuator opens a butterfly and the second turbo works with the first turbo.

However, in the RX-7 anyways, it involves about 20 vacuum hoses to accomplish this, any one of which can pop off under boost. I have turned my car into a non-sequential system by adjusting the way the system works and am much happier with it. I don't have as much of the instant on power down low, but I also don't have the slight drop in power at the transition point and all the crap that can go wrong. Both my turbo's produce full boost (13psi on my car) at ~3800 rpm but that doesn't mean there's no power down low... line up with me and I'll prove it
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Old 04-12-2002, 02:42 AM   #15
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It is undertuned, but so is the WRX. So is every car for that matter.

You could produce 1500 horsepower from a small block Chevy running race gas and drop it in a Buick but that doesn't mean GM is going to start selling them like that, now does it?



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Old 04-12-2002, 02:46 AM   #16
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Let's be clear about one thing.

I absolutely LOVE the RX-7 and WRX.

I like tons of cars; I get sick of people looking to bash stuff.
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Old 04-12-2002, 03:17 AM   #17
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You're right about sequential twin turbos, Bob.

I believe the primary difference between Audi's biturbo versus standard twin turbos has to do with the Audi motor applying one turbo per bank cylinder bank.

*shrug*
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Old 04-12-2002, 04:02 AM   #18
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Mirezzi,

Actually Porsche has been using the sequential/biturbo set-up for quite a while now. And their motors are boxer style 6's.

But you are right that VW/Audi/Prosche is the only company, to my knowledge, to use a sequential set-up on a motor with two banks of cylinder heads.

Alir,

When I drove an S4 I experienced no LAG what-so-ever. I felt the handling was sluggish and that the Shifter was very sub-par, but I couldn't find any faults in the motor. Well, aside from it being underpowered for the size of car it was in.

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Old 04-12-2002, 05:58 AM   #19
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Well the one i drove was owned by a girl who work a fredies on N L. She hit a poll i she just got it fixed. But for biturbo and 45 pice tag its realy not worth it.
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Old 04-12-2002, 06:18 AM   #20
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Dude, you were ALL about getting a S4 a few months ago! But weather 45grand is worth it or not is a differnt story. Personally I think it is, just because it is a AUDI, and it is a freaking S4! But that is just me. All of my cars for the next few years will be VW/Audi. But yeh they do need to do somthing with the Shifting on all the VW's and Audi's, they are all pretty sloppy compared to say the WRX, but that is nothing a shortshifter wont fix (or at least help). Dont get me wrong, I think the WRX kicks royal ass. But I did test drive a WRX when I was car shopping. I test drove a WRX, RSX, Jetta 1.8T, **** what else, A few other cars that didnt inspire me enough to remember. I liked the RSX quite a bit, I liked how the Interer just kinds of surrouds you, but didnt like the Aftermarket options that I saw comming out, and for the price that they wanted for a Type-S I almost cried laughing at the salesman. (That is when they first came out tho). So it was between the WRX and the Jetta Wolfsburg. I dont know what is was about the Jetta that grabbed me, but somthing did. Maybe just the hype about German Engineering. Maybe the way the steering wheel felt in my hand. Maybe that I knew there wouldnt be hardley any modded 1.8t's around, who knows. I am glad that I decided on the VW.

But trust me I have thought about "What if I went with a Rex". First thing comes to mind, is that I wouldnt be sitting in my car at 2am on a wensday night practicing my launch with no wheel-hop (HA). **** man, I saw R-Rated race one night, and DAMN those things can LAUNCH, my buddy with me just said ****! Its like it Jumps like a frog or somthing. Freaking Awesome. Low to Mid 14sec 1/4's would be sick on a Stock Car too!

Ok that is enough from me, I am freaking tired, and board!
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R-rated, Does is the dealer going to fix your trannie? I'm curious as to what's going on with it? Didn't you say you recently got gauges? I'd like to see your car running again. Good luck.
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Old 04-12-2002, 09:33 PM   #22
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I got some trix's up my sleaves but hey trix's arnt for kids MRT gears for me right winslow.


Has anyone seen the wrx comm on tv when it talks about the s4 were it beats it in ever thing but one thing the s4 rated much higher in the price
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Old 04-12-2002, 10:11 PM   #23
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Wow, and what reason would Subaru have for lying about their cars in a TV commercial?!?!? Did they mention that their transmissions are made out of tinfoil?

I've always been in relative agreement with the Car & Driver review.

S4 outperforms the REX from factory. But not $16,000 worth!

However, potentially replacing a transmission every 25,000 miles isn't all that cheap, EITHER.

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Oh this is fun.
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Old 04-12-2002, 10:37 PM   #24
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Hmmm. I've got a box stock 1989 Yamaha FJ1200 that'll run in the high 10's. Cars are just SO slow, compared to motorcycles...
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You have to remember that when you buy a S4 your not just buying the performace, your buying the luxury, the name, what rims do the S4 come with? And a bunch of other things that make a Audi a Audi.
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