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Old 03-17-2009, 11:04 PM   #1
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Default Just returned from P&L with my bugeye and e3 16g

Alright, I finally made it to tune day. I don't have a scanner, so either I'll find one or maybe Jorge will see this and post it up. Results were 299.94 hp, and 275.xx tq. For anyone interested, this was uncorrected on their dynojet. It was 307.xx hp with the STD correction factor applied. Boost was 19psi, and I think Jorge said the afr's went from 11.4 tapering to 10.9.

The car feels, just like every other P&L customer will say, smooooth. It's smooth off boost, into boost, or at partial boost. Boost comes on about like I expected, especially after my friend and I replaced a blown crosspipe gasket that went out on the test drive.(Ramflex ftl, btw) My gauge pegs at 3750ish in 3rd, and right before the 3250 mark in 5th. The lag is nothing. I wouldn't mind giving up some spool for a bigger turbo. At the same time, however, this little turbo still holds full boost to redline.

The bad news from the day is that Jorge said my car has a slight missfire. I can't really tell on bumpy roads, but the car did have a little vibration on the dyno. I'm going to test some wiring and maybe upgrade to the newer coil packs. I'd like to get this figured out and head back up for a touch up, and add a race gas tune. Another guy with an '07 sti made around 40 hp and a crapload more torque with some Turbo Blue. I want.

Overall, I had a great time. I guessed 300 hp and 275 tq(got lucky on that one) just the other day talking with friends, but I thought it would take more boost to get there. The experience itself and the knowledge gained were worth the money alone. Jorge was super nice and had an answer to every single question. Paul was really nice too. He offered twice to let me borrow any tools while my friend and I were changing gaskets in the parking lot. He even said I could've used their lift, had one been available. I also got a ride in another customer's gt30'd sti. That car is nasty.

I know some of you would like a mod list, so here it is.

SPT intake/heatshield
Perrin inlet
Former FP Evo III 16g with porting, rebuilt by Blouch with a new center
cartridge and a real Evo III wheel(Blouch rocks) also, turbo blanket
TurboXS topmount with correct STI scoop and splitter/shroud
Grimmspeed ported throttle body(just put on this morning)
Drilled out stock injectors cleaned and flow tested to 670

Crucial ported/polished/coated manifold elbows, no wrap, just stock heatshields
Grimmspeed coated and wrapped crosspipe
Grimmspeed coated and wrapped uppipe
Invidia downipe/N1 race catback(just put on the N1, might be too loud; but I had heard that SPT is restrictive in some thread...)

I also had P&L throw on their BCS(HOA, I think) before the tune.
Spark plugs are stock heat range NGK copper gapped at .031, per Jorge's recommendation.



Track times on post #24
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Old 03-18-2009, 11:24 AM   #2
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Very nice results Jason. Glad to see you finally got this done. My car didnt make much more than this with my 18G and FMIC (my tune was way conservative due to issues) on this dyno. Funny I had some vibration/misfire on the dyno as well that ended up being low system voltage from a bad Negative ground cable. Check all the simple stuff first before you drop the chunk on new coils like I did. Sorry for the Hijack.
I would really like to see a dyno graph so hopefuly you can get this up soon. CONGRATS again Im sure you are glad this is done but hungry for more all in one shot!!!
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Old 03-18-2009, 12:57 PM   #3
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I was hoping you would reply. And yeah, I planned on checking all the voltage in the wiring first. I just had to run a new ground for the passenger side coil packs because their ground gave up the ghost after the turbo swap, and they were getting no spark. Your comment about happy and hungry at the same time just about sums it up. Especially after getting a ride in the gt30'd STI.

If you don't mind and have the time, could you pm me some driving tips? You had a pretty good slip on your tune, and I'd love to get close to it. Shifting into second is suddenly tougher with this new setup.

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Old 03-18-2009, 02:15 PM   #4
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Nice numbers. Would like to see the chart. You can take a close up picture withe a camera also.
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Old 03-18-2009, 02:39 PM   #5
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Honestly, my chart looks almost identical to yours, except my afr didn't show up. I'll try to get it up though. Where in Indiana are you located?
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Old 03-18-2009, 02:49 PM   #6
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Jorge is the man.
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Old 03-18-2009, 03:10 PM   #7
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Honestly, my chart looks almost identical to yours, except my afr didn't show up. I'll try to get it up though. Where in Indiana are you located?
Jorge is very good! Cool I bet the car feels good! I was just curious to how the EV0 III compared vs the VF48. I know you can not do a direct comparison but since it was the same dyno and tuner about as close as you can get.

Im up North in South Bend. Give me a shout out if you in my direction. Congrats on your setup.
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Old 03-18-2009, 03:12 PM   #8
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Very nice power from the 16G! I'm sure that the curve looks smooth.

Yes the Team of P&L is always very very helpful in all aspects.

And lag is so over rated, once a bigger turbo kicks in and your snapped back into your seat you really don't care that some guy pulled a car length on you when you pass them like they are standing still
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Old 03-18-2009, 03:58 PM   #9
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http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...9a&id=13732686

Alright, I had my sister scan the pic and she put it on her facebook, then tried to link it up on here. We tried three different ways, hopefully one of them works.


Edit: The link works for me. Rudy, if you compare it to yours, it's creepy how similar they are. And my girlfriend is from SB, I'll pm you next time we plan a trip.
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Old 03-18-2009, 04:55 PM   #10
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Nice to work with you Jason! Everyone else, thanks for the nice comments! You guys are way too kind!

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Old 03-18-2009, 05:51 PM   #11
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what does a stock Sti put down on the P&L dyno?
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Old 03-18-2009, 06:55 PM   #12
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what does a stock Sti put down on the P&L dyno?
08: around 220-240

04-06: around 240-260.

07: Honestly, I don't remember.

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Old 03-18-2009, 07:29 PM   #13
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Nice numbers, hopefully I will see similar with my set up.

Mod list:
Blouch Evo3 16g
DW 650cc injectors
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Old 03-18-2009, 08:16 PM   #14
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Jorge,

What kind of numbers do 2.0's put down on your dyno with 18g's??? Just out of curiosity.

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Jorge,

What kind of numbers do 2.0's put down on your dyno with 18g's??? Just out of curiosity.

-Jerod
Mine made 315 with 18psi on pump and electrical issues at tune (missing so it was conservative). trapped 111-113
I searched for comparisons when I got tuned and would say 300-325 (depends on on other mods obviously)
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Did he get yours to hold boost till redline?
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looking good!

I wonder if the misfire was related to the modded injectors? I haven't had the best luck tuning those, and seeing some of the Deatschwerks spray pattern and test reports on them...
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Old 03-19-2009, 12:39 PM   #18
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I wonder if the misfire was related to the modded injectors? I haven't had the best luck tuning those, and seeing some of the Deatschwerks spray pattern and test reports on them...

What do you use instead?
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I had often but random misfires on #1 - with modded stockers. Switched to Bosch 1000's and leaned it out way lean and haven't had a one since..


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If it matters, these aren't uncapped. They actually had the holes drilled out and then were sent out to Witch Hunter for cleaning/testing. I had a really nice set of freshly cleaned/tested pinks that I wanted to stay with, but probably would've been pushing them pretty hard up top...

Where did you get those Bosch injectors?


Edit: Found your thread on them. Pm'ing you.

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Old 03-26-2009, 12:37 AM   #21
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If anyone is interested, I finally did a good 1-4 pull tonight(not even close to redline in 4th, btw) and had a friend watch the boost on my Accessport. The car made 18.3 psi in all four gears, and held it rock solid. Not once did it ever read anything but 18.3 once boost was reached. Also, boost transition when shifting was basically back to 18.3 immediately.

I assume the Accessport reads boost accurately?
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If anyone is interested, I finally did a good 1-4 pull tonight(not even close to redline in 4th, btw) and had a friend watch the boost on my Accessport. The car made 18.3 psi in all four gears, and held it rock solid. Not once did it ever read anything but 18.3 once boost was reached. Also, boost transition when shifting was basically back to 18.3 immediately.

I assume the Accessport reads boost accurately?
nope. 18.3 is the cap according to the accessport. if you log your car with an actual logger, it will show proper boost.

I find it hard to believe that Jorge would tune your turbo to only 18 psi. I shoot for 19 psi on the Evo3 16Gs I tune and we have 91 octane.
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Ok. Thanks for the info. And it did run 19 psi on the dyno, I just thought maybe I was getting less boost on the street. It did seem odd that it was that steady. Now I feel rather sheepish...

Although I guess I should be happy that it's making that much boost in the lower gears.
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Old 08-13-2009, 12:32 AM   #24
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***TRACK TIMES***

While not very good, they are track times nonetheless. The density altitude was 1860 feet according to weather conditions shortly after I arrived at the track. It was dead calm as far as wind goes. There was 1/4 tank of BP 93 in my tank. I removed the spare tire, back seat, and my catback before heading for the track. After paying and going through tech, I went right to the staging lanes.

First run was fine, until I threw it from fourth into second. Thankfully I didn't quite have the clutch all the way out before I realized my mistake and pushed the clutch back in immediately, but the tach was coming down from above 8k rpm when I looked at it. Scary. By the way, that's the first time I've EVER done that, and had pretty much pushed the possibility of it happening from my mind. Hopefully I don't spin a bearing in the next couple of weeks. The timeslip reads:

1.7882 60'
5.3151 330'
8.2261 1/8 @ 85.24mph
13.1623 1/4 @ 89.30mph

My motor didn't make any sounds, still seemed responsive, and idled fine, so I hot lapped it. Bogged the launch a touch but still managed my first 12er.

1.8717 60'
5.3131 330'
8.1799 1/8 @ 86.52mph
12.7309 1/4 @ 107.42mph

I noticed I'm only picking up 21 mph on the back end. I did that on a stock turbo, and jmlaser picked up 26.xx mph on the back half with a dyno chart from the same dyno that read pretty similarly to the one I have in post 10. I was expecting 24-25mph. Oh well, hot lapped it one more time.

1.7780 60'
5.3011 330'
8.1829 1/8 @ 86.19mph
12.7579 1/4 @ 107.94mph

I hit the rev limiter shifting into third(or was it fourth?) on this run, and it hesitated for just a moment. Otherwise, a decent run. Still only got 21.75 mph though, and I noticed that my boost was a little low pulling through fourth. I decided it was probably the heat from driving an hour to the track and hot lapping, so I let it sit. My turboxs tmic wasn't even warm though, even on the bottom where it sits right over the turbo. Anyway, while waiting for cooler air, an older Camaro blew oil all over the track. That took awhile to clean up, and I went out for another pass now that it was dark. The density altitude now would've been somewhere near 1171 feet. My first run was crap- bad launch, missed second. The second run was my best launch with some sideways action and the fronts clawing for traction, but I missed third. Third(sixth) and final run of the night was another bad launch, missed third again. I left after that, but here's my launch from the second(fifth) run:

1.7332 60'
5.2579 330'
8.3270 1/8 @ 82.44mph after missing third, on my way to 13.0@104- eh...


All in all, I had a decent time. I hadn't ever launched the car since getting this turbo setup, so I'm happy about the 1.7's. Other than missing so many stinking gears, I was really only disheartened by the lack of top end. I think now it's time for EWG, TGV deletes, and a retune. Maybe a race gas map too. Anyone think I've got a shot at 11.90's?? I honestly might just move onto a bigger snail.

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Old 08-13-2009, 01:08 AM   #25
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Pick up meth if you want more topend.

And grats on the car/track times jason!

-Kyle
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