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Old 03-24-2009, 04:09 PM   #1
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So im assembling ej205 heads, all stock...gonna throw some sti cams in them.

New valve seals.
lapped valves, etc etc

One of the intake valve buckets for cylinder one had some issues going in, ive experienced this before and usually once they drop in they spin freely and move freely. Well i put this one in, took more force than i would like....and now it doesnt want to move freely. If i bolt the cam on, i can rotate it and the valve does move up and down....but when i apply pressure to it using my body weight, the bucket has choppy movement, the others move smoothly. I want to take it out but it wont come out now. Any ideas? vice grips? channel locks? pliers?

oh and all buckets, valves, seats and caps were marked and are 100% in their original place.

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Old 03-24-2009, 04:14 PM   #2
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so I take it this was with the valve spring in...I usually deal with the machining side, so I have it all right and apart. this changes perspective a lot.

I'm puzzled as to it compressing with the cam pushing on it but when you push on it, it doesn't budge.
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Old 03-24-2009, 04:19 PM   #3
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yeah the valve spring and valve are in. I can push on it with my body weight and it will budge, but its not a fluid movement like the rest.

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Old 03-24-2009, 06:06 PM   #4
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I used channel locks to take mine out.. doesn't require much clamping force. Plus they are high carbon steel.. (and apparently hardened as well). --- pretty hard.

I've ground on em before and the sparks are really "poppy" for any of you who know about steel =P

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Old 03-24-2009, 06:08 PM   #5
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yeah thats what ill do later tonight, dont want to score the surfaces up though.
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Old 03-24-2009, 07:28 PM   #6
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Ahh. When I got manley dual valve springs + Ti retainers, I had to grind out a little bit of the lip thats inside the open end of the bucket to get it to clear.

I definately grabbed a bucket pretty hard with the channel locks, and it didn't phase them. I may have put a couple little teeny scratch marks on it, but that could be remedied by 1000 grit sandpaper

**Oh. Grasp at the top of the bucket, because if you squish hard torwards the bottom.. you'll probably end up with an oval paperweight =P

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Old 03-24-2009, 07:42 PM   #7
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sounds good, yeah i think its grabbing the spring/retainer.
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I use a super strong magnet when I get them stuck.
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Old 03-25-2009, 02:22 AM   #9
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pulled it out with channel locks, **** was seriously stuck in there. Looks fine, mic'd it

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x=1.3781
y=1.3781
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x=1.3799

1.8thou is what im dealing with here. took the bucket from the next valve over out and it dropped into the lifter bore just fine. Took the problematic bucket and tried to place it in its neighbors bore, no go.

Verdict: eff'd bucket. Don't know how it got that way, they were all stored together (granted for a very long while).
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anyone have a part number for these. Subaruparts.com only goes up to 2002, I have 04 shimless buckets.
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anyone have a part number for these. Subaruparts.com only goes up to 2002, I have 04 shimless buckets.
Look under the bucket, and you should see a number! This will be specific to a part number. They have a ton of sizes.
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yeah it says 503, but i read on here that that doesnt correspond to the part number.
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yeah it says 503, but i read on here that that doesnt correspond to the part number.

well, the thickness is 5.03mm. If you call the dealer and ask for a bucket of that size, they'll know what to get you.
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See if you can download this: http://www.wrxhackers.com/forums/loc...p&id=8&catid=4

I think it has all the sizes and part #'s for the buckets.
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so i have a set of 04 heads at my garage that i pulled off of a friends blown engine. Before deciding to drop 16 bucks on a new lifter, i decided to check to see if there was a "503" in those heads. After checking 15 buckets, the 16th one was a 503! bingo~!

oh and thanks for those files, im sure ill use them in the future
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SUBARU STI cam follower thicknesses.
-the followers have a 3 digit number imprinted on them up inside.

-this represents a metric number---such as a number 503 = 5.03MM.

-One MM is .039375 in inches

-.0039375 times the metric number such as 5.03 = .19805625 or shortened up is .1981

-followers are available from Subaru sized from 438 to 565.

-part numbers are all a #13228 AB???---such as 13228 AB701 = 438 which is .1724 thinnest available.
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-first 3 digits are tail end of a basic part number #13228 AB??? (four largest sizes use AC instead of AB)


701/438 = .1724
711/440 = .1732 811/460 = .1811 161/474 = .1866
721/442 = .1740 821/464 = .1809 171/475 = .1870 261/484 = .1906 351/493 = .1941
731/444 = .1748 831/464 = .1827 181/476 = .1874 271/485 = .1909 361/494 = .1945
741/446 = .1756 841/466 = .1835 191/477 = .1878 281/486 = .1913 371/495 = .1949
751/448 = .1764 101/468 = .1843 201/478 = .1882 291/487 = .1917 381/496 = .1953
761/450 = .1771 111/469 = .1846 211/479 = .1886 301/488 = .1921 391/497 = .1957
771/452 = .1780 121/470 = .1850 221/480 = .1890 311/489 = .1925 401/498 = .1961
781/454 = .1787 131/471 = .1854 231/481 = .1894 321/490 = .1929 411/499 = .1965
791/456 = .1795 141/472 = .1858 241/482 = .1898 331/491 = .1933 421/500 = .1969
801/458 = .1803 151/473 = .1862 251/483 = .1902 341/492 = .1937 431/501 = .1972

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441/502 = .1976 531/511 = .2012 621/520 = .2047 861/531 = .2091 951/549 = .2161
451/503 = .1980 541/512 = .2016 631/521 = .2051 871/533 = .2098 961/551 = .2169
461/504 = .1984 551/513 = .2020 641/522 = .2055 881/535 = .2106 971/553 = .2177
471/505 = .1988 561/514 = .2024 651/523 = .2059 891/537 = .2114 981/555 = .2185
481/506 = .1992 571/515 = .2028 661/524 = .2063 901/539 = .2122 991/557 = .2193
491/507 = .1996 581/516 = .2031 671/525 = .2067 911.541 = .2123 AC 001/559 = .2201
501/508 = .2000 591/717 = .2035 681/526 = .2071 921/543 = .2138 AC 011/561 = .2209
511/509 = .2004 601/518 = .2039 691/527 = .2075 931/545 = .2146 AC 021/563 = .2217
521/510 = .2008 611/519 = .2043 851/529 = .2083 941/547 = .2154 AC 031/565 = .2224
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cool, there is a lot of good info in this thread. sticky.

tags: lifter, bucket, size, part, number, hydraulic, valve, shimless, mm, inch, 13228AB
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