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Old 03-25-2009, 11:30 PM   #1
wrxsti.l
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Default OFFICIAL Road Dyno List

GOAL
To keep track of Subaru-only road dyno results of NASIOC members and to provide an alternative way of comparing power using logged parameters and Airboy's spreadsheet (available from HERE).

This will give NASIOC members a much better idea of what mods they will need for a specific WHP, with the most accurate and consistant results, without having to work out what dynos read high or read low.

Now all NASIOC members have a single list of member's cars and what mods, fuel types and transmissions they used to make the real world whp and tq numbers listed.


REQUIREMENTS
To try and ensure all results are as true and accurate as possible, all logs and vehicle details are to be posted within the "code" tags on NASIOC.

Edit column headings in log and change to the following before posting in the "code" tags to ensure proper spacing:
AP = Atmospheric Pressure
LOAD = Engine Load
RPM = Engine Speed
IAT = Intake Air Temp
MRP = Manifold Relative Pressure (direct)
TOA = Throttle Opening Angle (%)
VS = Vehicle Speed

It would also be of benefit if ppl posted a brief description about mods performed and I will add lists for particular turbos and displacment. Please use the following format:

VEHICLE DETAILS
Car:
Engine:
Turbo:
Turbo Intake:
Intercooler:
Filter/Intake:
MAF size:
Exhaust:
Injectors:
Fuel Pump:
Log gear:
Tyre Size:
Delta Weight:
FUEL TYPE (must be listed):

(Delta Weight is the total weight of passengers and other non-standard things sitting in car ie. a tool box, tow bar, roof racks, baby seats, etc).


Required tools and software:
  • Openport cable (available HERE)
  • Latest version of RomRaider logger (available HERE)
  • All logs are not to be tampered
  • original logfile names MUST be kept
  • Rim/Tyre specs must be posted (ie. 245/45/18)

Please only log:
  • Engine Load
  • Engine Speed
  • Manifold Relative Pressure (direct)
  • Throttle Opening Angle (%)

Optional (but preferable to limit exclusion of suspect data):
  • Intake Air Temp
  • Vehicle Speed
  • Atmospheric Pressure
Optional Information:
  • Vehicle weight (otherwise weight listed by Subaru will be used)
  • Delta weight - excess weight, ie. passenger weight (otherwise 200 will be used)

NOTE: It is important to note that although ppl can post their own airboy dyno results, any results posted will not be included in the rankings. I will only include results calculated from the logs provided, so long as all requirements are met.


LOGS EXCLUDED
Any suspect results will be excluded until all logs can be varified and all log data is supplied (including optional parameters).



SMOOTHING FACTOR
The smoothing factor used to calculate the dyno plot will depend on how many data points the log includes and will be determined as follows:
3 = 0-30 data points
4 = 31-40 data points
5 = 41-50 data points
6 = 51-60 data points
7 = 61-70 data points
8 = 71-80 data points
9 = 81+ data points

Note: If smoothing factor above is uded and a spike is present higher in rpm, the next highest smoothing factor will be used. ie. If smoothing factor of 5 produces a dyno plot that is smooth until 6000rpm and then there is a sharp spike/incline in the plot that is inconsistant, a smoothing factor of 6 will be used to smooth the slike.


LOGGING/GEAR INFO
  • 5 speed cars to be logged in 3rd
  • 6 speed cars are prefered to be logged in 4th (for best results) but 3rd gear logs will be acceptable, however you must state it was performed in 3rd.
  • Log at WOT from 2000rpm to redline


DEFAULTS
If some of the information is not provided, the following defaults will be used:
  • Delta Weight = 200
  • Elevation = 100
  • Humidity = 60
  • Temperature = 60
  • Tire/Tyre Size = oem specs


HOW TO LOG
  • Connect openport cable between laptop and OBDII port (down below the steering wheel)
  • Open RomRaider Logger
  • Select the correct COM port (top left corner) - once connected it will say so in blue writing (top right corner)
  • Select either the "data" or "dashboard" tab (lower left)
  • Check boxes and select the parameters I listed as required
  • Click "Settings", then "log file output location" and set the location you want to save your log files
  • Find a long, flat road out of harms way (industrial area, closed road, drag strip, race track, etc.)
  • Start driving with light throttle until you can change to the correct gear but stay under 2000rpm
  • When in the correct gear and just on 2000rpm, click the demister button (or press "log to file" in romraider) to start logging and then go WOT until you reach redline
  • Once you reach redline, take your foot off the throttle and pull over safely, then stop logging by pressing the demister button or the "log to file" button again.
  • Go home, open this thread on NASIOC, then open your log file in excel (or OO.o)
  • In the log file, change the headings of the columns as I explained in above
  • Select all cells with info (including the headings you just edited) and once all are selected, copy
  • Press "post a reply" in this thread, enter your vehicle model details and a brief overview of mods
  • click the "code" button, and put the cursor inbetween the CODE tags and paste the info
  • Submit your post

That's about it, then I will run the info in airboy's spreadsheet and post your results.


QUESTIONS/FEEDBACK
Q/F: How do you create the dyno plot from the road log?
A: I use Airboy's spreadsheet (available from HERE) to load the log, and then I use the "accel" tab to create the dyno plot after entering all the required information.

Q/F: good idea in theory, but adding the rankings will make people start fudging numbers. all you gotta do is change the weight or tire size a bit and things get crazy.
A: This is why I have stated ppl are to post the logs, then I will run the numbers to keep things as fair and consistant as possible - it is important to note that although ppl can post their own airboy dyno results, any results posted will not be included in the rankings. I will only include results calculated from the logs provided, so long as all requirements are met. Sure ppl can then "fudge" numbers in their log, but with all the things they are required to log it will be pretty easy for most to spot those who change any of the numbers around. So as long as ppl follow the instructions in opening post, all results calculated will be more comparable then random dyno graph comparisons that ppl tend to make.

Q/F: If I make changes to my tune, or add new mods, can I upload a new log?
A: Please take into consideration the time required to create the plot, upload the images, edit the stats and then post a reply - so if there is no decent (as in at least 5whp) improvement, please resist posting multiple logs



EXAMPLE OF REQUIRED LOG
Code:
TIME	LOAD	VS	RPM	MRP	IAT	TOA	AP
0	0.69	44	2088	1.6	38	100	14.65
250	0.68	44	2120	1.64	38	100	14.65
469	0.69	46	2113	1.7	38	100	14.65
687	0.69	46	2183	1.76	37	100	14.65
922	0.66	47	2230	1.8	37	100	14.65
1156	0.68	47	2283	1.84	37	100	14.65
1375	0.7	49	2289	1.91	37	100	14.65
1594	0.69	49	2336	1.99	37	100	14.65
1828	0.7	51	2387	2.03	37	100	14.65
2047	0.71	51	2409	2.13	36	100	14.65
2281	0.71	53	2474	2.22	36	100	14.65
2531	0.71	53	2499	2.26	36	100	14.65
2750	0.72	53	2568	2.34	36	100	14.65
2969	0.74	55	2621	2.42	36	100	14.65
3266	0.78	55	2658	2.55	35	100	14.65
3484	0.81	56	2694	2.63	35	100	14.65
3719	0.82	56	2736	2.75	35	100	14.65
3937	0.83	59	2797	2.84	35	100	14.65
4156	0.87	59	2846	2.96	35	100	14.65
4406	0.89	61	2892	3.02	34	100	14.65
4625	0.92	61	2947	3.15	34	100	14.65
4859	0.92	63	2983	3.35	34	100	14.65
5094	0.94	63	3048	3.56	34	100	14.65
5312	0.94	65	3094	3.77	34	100	14.65
5547	0.95	65	3146	4	34	100	14.65
5766	0.91	68	3202	4.2	33	100	14.65
6000	0.93	68	3228	4.31	33	100	14.65
6234	0.99	71	3279	4.51	33	100	14.65
6453	1.02	71	3324	4.85	33	100	14.65
6687	1.01	73	3330	5.22	33	100	14.65
6891	0.98	73	3440	5.41	33	100	14.65
7156	0.96	74	3510	5.53	33	100	14.65
7391	1.05	74	3551	5.72	32	100	14.65
7625	1.05	74	3628	6.13	32	100	14.65
7844	1.07	77	3696	6.34	32	100	14.65
8062	1.08	77	3722	6.73	32	100	14.65
8297	1.1	80	3718	7.14	32	100	14.65
8531	1.09	80	3834	7.43	32	100	14.65
8781	1.09	83	3920	7.79	32	100	14.65
9000	1.12	83	3968	8.08	31	100	14.65
9250	1.14	86	4028	8.53	31	100	14.65
9469	1.18	86	4105	8.91	31	100	14.65
9719	1.2	88	4199	9.48	31	100	14.65
9953	1.29	88	4218	10.13	31	100	14.65
10172	1.45	92	4305	10.93	31	100	14.65
10391	1.53	92	4380	12.16	31	100	14.65
10641	1.6	95	4443	13.57	30	100	14.65
10844	1.8	95	4598	15.53	30	100	14.65
11094	1.92	99	4650	17.54	30	100	14.65
11312	2.05	99	4777	19.86	30	100	14.65
11547	2.2	102	4864	21.97	30	100	14.65
11766	2.3	102	4963	23.42	30	100	14.65
11984	2.3	102	5140	23.96	30	100	14.65
12219	2.37	107	5252	24.07	30	100	14.65
12453	2.36	107	5364	24.05	30	100	14.65
12656	2.36	112	5522	23.92	30	100	14.65
12875	2.38	112	5664	23.82	30	100	14.65
13094	2.41	118	5769	23.88	30	100	14.65
13344	2.39	118	5891	23.86	30	100	14.65
13594	2.4	124	5962	23.88	30	100	14.65
13797	2.37	124	6063	23.92	30	100	14.65
14016	2.35	131	6224	23.94	30	100	14.65
14234	2.3	131	6388	23.94	30	100	14.65
14469	2.34	137	6438	23.96	30	100	14.65
14687	2.3	137	6602	24	30	100	14.65
14906	2.3	142	6643	24	30	100	14.65
15156	2.27	142	6855	24	30	100	14.65
15391	2.31	142	6824	24.02	30	100	14.65
15594	2.23	147	6931	24.04	30	100	14.65
15844	2.2	147	7005	24.04	30	100	14.65
16078	2.14	153	7218	24.04	30	100	14.65
16281	2.13	153	7338	24.04	30	100	14.65
16531	2.07	157	7396	24.04	29	100	14.65

EXAMPLE DYNO PLOT
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Old 03-25-2009, 11:31 PM   #2
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NASIOC Top 10 - Most Powerful - Open Class
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NASIOC Top 10 - Most Powerful - 2.5L

1. 492whp/439tq - socalLGT - 2.5L - rotated GT35R - 91 + Meth - link - graph.
2. 488whp/437tq - blowbyu24 - 2.5L - GT4088R - Q16 - Link - Graph.
3. 483whp/398tq - jays05 - 2.5L - GT35R 0.82ar - E85 - Link - Graph.
4. 471whp/376tq - syoung0298 - 2.5L - GT4088R - 93 - Link - Graph.
5. 457whp/395tq - STi Mikey - 2.5L - AMR T60R - 109 - Link - Graph.
6. 442whp/417tq - Phatron - 2.5L - Blouch Dominator 4.0 XTR - 91 + meth - Link - Graph.
7. 435whp/435tq - jaimejrivera - 2.5L - FP HTA Green (3"/8cm2) - 93 + Meth - link - graph.
8. 424whp/386tq - gaby - 2.5L - GT3582R - E85 - link - graph.
9. 420whp/396tq - MattPersman- 2.5L - FP HTA Green - 93 + Meth - link - graph.
10. 417whp/432tq - phatron - 2.5L - FP Green - VP100+Meth - link - graph.



NASIOC Top 10 - Most Powerful - 2.0L

1. 378whp/327tq - wrxsti.l - 2.0L - GCG GT3076R bolt-in - United 100RON E10 (96 E10) - Link - Graph.
2. 358whp/345tq - Jsarv - 2.0L - TD05-18G 7cm2 - E85 - link - graph.
3. 357whp/339tq - testes1010 - 2.0L - DB TD05H-20G-7cm2 - 93 + Meth - link - graph.
4. 355whp/302tq - RexFTW - 2.0L - TD05-20G 7cm2 - 100 - Link - Graph.
5. 328whp/334tq - SVT_WRX - 2.0L - EVO III 16G - E85 - Link - Graph.
6. 324whp/309tq - elevenpoint7five - 2.0L - IHI VF39 - E85 - Link - Graph.
7. 322whp/301tq - jmlaser - 2.0L - TD05H-18G 7cm2 PnP coated - 112 Blue - link - graph.
8. 319whp/324tq - kotir - 2.0L - VF37 - 92 - link - graph.
9. 309whp/316tq - niemand_1 - 2.0L - IHI VF30 - Shell V-Power 93 - Link - Graph.
10. 303whp/292tq - scoobystas - 2.0L - IHI VF37 - 93 - Link - Graph.



NOTE: Fuel octane rating is standard USA AKI (ie. PON, Pump Octane Number) unless indicated otherwise.

Last edited by wrxsti.l; 07-04-2010 at 08:51 PM. Reason: updated list
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Old 03-25-2009, 11:35 PM   #3
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NASIOC Most Powerful (ALL/COMBINED) - 1 to 50

1. 492whp/439tq - socalLGT - 2.5L - rotated GT35R - 91 + Meth - link - graph.
2. 488whp/437tq - blowbyu24 - 2.5L - GT4088R - Q16 - Link - Graph.
3. 483whp/398tq - jays05 - 2.5L - GT35R 0.82ar - E85 - Link - Graph.
4. 471whp/376tq - syoung0298 - 2.5L - GT4088R - 93 - Link - Graph.
5. 457whp/395tq - STi Mikey - 2.5L - AMR T60R - 109 - Link - Graph.
6. 442whp/417tq - Phatron - 2.5L - Blouch Dominator 4.0 XTR - 91 + meth - Link - Graph.
7. 435whp/435tq - jaimejrivera - 2.5L - FP HTA Green (3"/8cm2) - 93 + Meth - link - graph.
8. 427whp/418tq - Phatron - 2.5L - FP HTA Green - ??? + Meth - link - graph.
9. 424whp/386tq - gaby - 2.5L - GT3582R - E85 - link - graph.
10. 420whp/396tq - MattPersman - 2.5L - FP HTA Green - 93 + Meth - link - graph.
11. 417whp/432tq - phatron - 2.5L - FP Green - VP100+Meth - link - graph.
12. 407whp/349tq - fastblueufo - 2.5L - GT35R 0.63ar - 93 - Link - Graph.
13. 403whp/419tq - Kastley85891 - 2.5L - Blouch TD05-20G 8cm2 - E85 - Link - Graph.
14. 401whp/418tq - Scooby921 - 2.5L - Blouch TD05-20G-8cm2 - E85 - link - graph
15. 388whp/396tq - turboge - 2.5L - Dom 3 8cm2 - E85 - link - graph.
16. 387whp/319tq - MXJS - 2.5L - Precision 6162 - E85 - link - graph.
17. 384whp/379tq - TDagen - 2.5L - rotated GT3076R - E85 - link - graph.
18. 383whp/390tq - sponaugle - 2.5L - Perrin rotated GT30R - ??? - link - graph.
19. 383whp/353tq - gabedude - 2.5L - Blouch TD05 8cm2 20G- 93+50/50 meth - link - graph.
20. 382whp/387tq - bhpsti - 2.5L - TD06H-60/1 - 98RON (94) + 50/50 meth - link - graph.
21. 378whp/327tq - wrxsti.l - 2.0L - GCG GT3076R bolt-in - United 100RON E10 (96 E10) - Link - Graph.
22. 374whp/329tq - kellygnsd - 2.5L - ATP 3076 - Cali 91 - link - graph.
23. 365whp/289tq - iturregui - 2.5L - UR GT35 - 91 - link - graph.
24. 358whp/348tq - renosubby (2) - 2.5L - ATP3076 - 110 - link - graph.
25. 358whp/345tq - Jsarv - 2.0L - TD05-18G 7cm2 - E85 - link - graph.
26. 357whp/339tq - testes1010 - 2.0L - DB TD05H-20G-7cm2 - 93 + Meth - link - graph.
27. 355whp/302tq - RexFTW - 2.0L - TD05-20G 7cm2 - 100 - Link - Graph.
28. 354whp/340tq - turboge (2)- 2.5L - ATP GT35R - E85 (E70 summer blend) - link - graph.
29. 353whp/331tq - squashman - 2.5L - Blouch Dominator 3 - Shell 91 - link - graph.
30. 348whp/379tq - Slimsti - 2.5L - FP Green 2.4" 7cm2 - Shell V-Power 93 - Link - Graph.
31. 347whp/297tq - wrxwhat - 2.5L - PT6262 - 93 - link - graph.
32. 346whp/404tq - juanmedina - 2.5L - IHI VF39 - E85 - link - graph.
33. 343whp/364tq - tgui - 2.5L - FP Green 7cm2 - Sunoco 93 - link - graph.
34. 337whp/405tq - STi Mikey - 2.5L - VF43 - 100 oct - link - graph.
35. 336whp/362tq - m@stro - 2.5L - PE1820 - 93+50/50 meth - link - graph.
36. 336whp/337tq - renosubby - 2.5L - TD05-18G - ??? - Link - Graph.
37. 331whp/383tq - Airboy - 2.5L - IHI VF39 - 94 E10 + 50/50 Meth - link - graph.
38. 330whp/359tq - 06-wrx-tr - 2.5L - FP HTA68 - Utah E70 - Link - Graph.
39. 329whp/315tq - Lamont - 2.5L - TD05-20G - 93 - link - graph.
40. 328whp/334tq - SVT_WRX - 2.0L - EVO III 16G - E85 - Link - Graph.
41. 324whp/309tq - elevenpoint7five - 2.0L - IHI VF39 - E85 - Link - Graph.
42. 322whp/301tq - jmlaser - 2.0L - TD05H-18G 7cm2 PnP coated - 112 Blue - link - graph.
43. 319whp/324tq - kotir - 2.0L - IHI VF37 - 92 - link - graph.
44. 319whp/311tq - PCSkiBum_21 - 2.5L - Blouch Dominator 3 - Sunoco 104 - Link - Graph.
45. 314whp/310tq - D0nets - 2.5L - IHI VF39 - 93 - Link - Graph.
46. 313whp/356tq - testes1010 - 2.5L - IHI VF52 - 93 - Link - Graph.
47. 312whp/368tq - Kastley85891 (2) - 2.5L - IHI VF48 - E85 - link - graph.
48. 309whp/347tq - Bullwinkle1983 - 2.5L - FP TD05-18G 7cm2 - 92 E10 - link - graph.
49. 309whp/316tq - niemand_1 - 2.0L - IHI VF30 - Shell V-Power 93 - Link - Graph.
50. 305whp/368tq - Digitalfiend - 2.5L - IHI VF48 (stock) - Sunoco Ultra 94 - Link - Graph.


NOTE: Fuel octane rating is standard USA AKI (ie. PON, Pump Octane Number) unless indicated otherwise.

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Old 03-25-2009, 11:46 PM   #4
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NASIOC Most Powerful (ALL/COMBINED) - 51 to 100

51. 304whp/343tq - reddoak - 2.5L - Stock - 7/11 93 E10 - Link - Graph.
52. 304whp/320tq - tess - VF39 - 2.5L - IHI VF39 - 93 - link - graph.
53. 303whp/292tq - scoobystas - 2.0L - IHI VF37 - 93 - Link - Graph.
54. 297whp/329tq - Paul - VF39 - 2.5L - IHI VF39 - 92 - link - graph.
55. 299whp/298tq - PolarisSnT - 2.0L - PE1820 - 93 - link - graph.
56. 296whp/343tq - motocooney - 2.5L - IHI VF39 - 93 - Link - Graph.
57. 293whp/320tq - iltisvw - 2.5L - IHI VF39 - 91 - link - graph.
58. 289whp/308tq - tegan_ca - 2.5L - stock sti - Cali 91 - link - graph.
59. 285whp/320tq - squidmaster - 2.5L - IHI VF39 - 93 - link - graph.
60. 285whp/273tq - b7g - 2.0L - IHI VF30 - 93 - link - graph.
61. 293whp/271tq - Wrx_Fan_0717 - 2.0L - Gruppe TD06-20G - 93 - Link - Graph.
62. 288whp/253tq - DaRealGMan - 2.0L - IHI VF34 - 91 - Link - Graph.
63. 283whp/297tq - maurim3 - 2.5L - Stock - 91 - Link - Graph.
64. 281whp/274tq - seanathanq83 - 2.0L - IHI VF37 Twinscroll - 93 - link - graph.
65. 277whp/294tq - Bad Noodle - 2.5L - IHI VF39 - 93 - link - graph.
66. 277whp/262tq - scby rex - 2.0L - Ported IHI VF34 - 93 - link - graph.
67. 271whp/303tq - Matt0404 - 2.5L - IHI VF48 - 93 - link - graph.
68. 269whp/298tq - bluescoobywagon - 2.0L - Stock TD04 - E85 - link - graph.
69. 268whp/324tq - gaveup - 2.5L - IHI VF39 - 93 - link - graph.
70. 267whp/259tq - drbulyk - 2.0L - IHI VF39 - BP 93 E10 - link - graph.
71. 266whp/239tq - seanathanq83 - 2.0L - (car 2) 20g/vf37 - 93 - link - graph.
72. 265whp/213tq - Allmotorhatch - 2.0L - IHI VF34 - 92 - link - graph.
73. 263whp/290tq - Kjott21 - 2.5L - IHI VF39 - 93 - link - graph.
74. 263whp/260tq - AlexNorinh - 2.0L - AVO320 - 98RON - link - graph.
75. 255whp/257tq - MrSlowbaru - 2.0L - IHI VF39 - 93 - link - graph.
76. 254whp/323tq - benw - 2.5L - stock - 91 - link - graph.
77. 248whp/250tq - emann121 - 2.0L - Stock - 93 - link - graph.
78. 247whp/208tq - langsbr - 2.0L - IHI VF30 - 93 - link - graph.
79. 246whp/261tq - renosubby - 2.5L - IHI VF34 - ??? - link - graph.
80. 244whp/236tq - AlexNorinh - 2.0L - AVO320 - Mobil Synergy 8000 (98 RON) - link - graph.
81. 241whp/199tq - bcheck555 - 2.0L - IHI VF34 - Shell 93 V-Power - link - graph.
82. 238whp/287tq - RdiggA - 2.5L - IHI VF46 (stock) - 93 - Link - Graph.
83. 235whp/259tq - 06-wrx-tr - 2.5L - IHI VF48 - 91 - link - graph.
84. 231whp/228tq - encryptedballa - 2.0L - Stock (TD04) - 93 - link - graph.
85. 228whp/294tq - Shibbs - 2.5L - stock - BP 91 - link - graph.
86. 227whp/274tq - Achavez - 2.5L - Stock (TD04) - 91 - link - graph.
87. 226whp/292tq - Ferraz - 2.5L - Stock (TD04) - 93 E25 - link - graph.
88. 222whp/232tq - Rogg - 2.0L - Stock (TD04) - 98RON - link - graph.
89. 219whp/248tq - saitoh10101 - 2.5L - Stock - ??? - link - graph.
90. 214whp/271tq - kh15 - 2.5L - Stock (TD04) - 93 - Link - Graph.
91. 210whp/197tq - praet0rian - 2.0L - Stock - 92 - link - graph.
92. 206whp/197tq - JawKnee - 2.0L - Stock - 92 - link - graph.
93. 205whp/233tq - VladiWrX - 2.5L - Stock - ?? - link - graph.
94. 193whp/203tq - KBkilla0006 - 2.0L - stock - 93 - Link - Graph.



NOTE: Fuel octane rating is standard USA AKI (ie. PON, Pump Octane Number) unless indicated otherwise.

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good idea in theory, but adding the rankings will make people start fudging numbers. all you gotta do is change the weight or tire size a bit and things get crazy.
This is why I have stated ppl are to post the logs, then I will run the numbers to keep things as fair and consistant as possible - it is important to note that although ppl can post their own airboy dyno results, any results posted will not be included in the rankings. I will only include results calculated from the logs provided, so long as all requirements are met.

Sure ppl can then "fudge" numbers in their log, but with all the things they are required to log it will be pretty easy for most to spot those who change any of the numbers around

So as long as ppl follow the instructions in opening post, all results calculated will be more comparable then random dyno graph comparisons that ppl tend to make.

EDIT: I updated first post to highlight this.

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Should be easy to spot from the parameters they log
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4th gear on 07/08/09 USDM STi is very tall (high top end speed). 3rd gear might be more appropriate, especially the 08+ STi, with their bigger tires.
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What happens if people have a hydra or Motec or AEM? Can we participate with our logs from those standalones?
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im #1 for now

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Not until you post the actual log Ron
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4th gear on 07/08/09 USDM STi is very tall (high top end speed). 3rd gear might be more appropriate, especially the 08+ STi, with their bigger tires.
Ah np, I've changed it to either 3rd or 4th gear regardless of model - but it has to be specified and vehicle speed has to be logged to varify.

The only problem I have with 3rd gear logs on 6spd models is that the resulting dyno shape is not as nice

Anyhoo, all good and updated.
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I think a good thing would be two require two logs from the same stretch of road, but in opposite directions. Average them together to minimze the uphill/downhill correction factor

Also, I dont think all that many parameters should be logged for the sake of resolution. I can understand that need for IAT, and Atmospheric Pressure but vehicle speed is unnecessary, and so is load and throttle.
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Not until you post the actual log Ron
i was really hammered last night

This is a good idea....but we have so much data right now that we can pretty much make up dyno plots for td04's all the way to gt40's without actually needing data logs.

What i was wanting to do for a long time is make a spreadsheet where you select your mods from pull down menus and it spits out a dyno sheet for you. Basically a sheet to help people pick a setup and watch how the power curve changes with cams, headwork, bigger turbos, intercoolers, etc.
I think something like that would help a lot of people....but i have no idea how to make anything like that.

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but i have no idea how to make anything like that.
What the crap Ron, you're a rocket scientist, what's the hold up? It's just a computer program. Get on it dog gonnit!!!
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I know there is a log thread that you started, but from what I can tell it is more focused on how the tunes looks in the log rather then actually creating a dyno plot.

This thread will allow anyone and everyone (who has an openport/logging cable and romraider logger) to go out and do a quick 3rd gear log and compare their results to all other NASIOC members.

This will provide a much better average of power output available from specific setups and how each members setup compares to the next.

Your idea for a spreadsheet detailing mods etc is a great idea, and this will be even more achievable with the logs gathered in this thread as they will be sp[ecifically for creating dyno plots

All that is required is for NASIOC members to post the log (log explained in the OP and as per the example), that's it, I'll do the rest and start posting positions
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wow i will get mine posted up later tonight, i have been using dynologlab for mine, want to see how it compares
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np, just pop up the log and some info as per the requirements and I'll take care of the dyno plot and enter your position - and it looks like you'll be #1 unless Ron gets his up soon :P
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yea the only thing i dont have on my log is atomsphere pressure so i will have to go out and do a new log, depending if the rain calms down and the road dries up a little
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i was really hammered last night

This is a good idea....but we have so much data right now that we can pretty much make up dyno plots for td04's all the way to gt40's without actually needing data logs.

What i was wanting to do for a long time is make a spreadsheet where you select your mods from pull down menus and it spits out a dyno sheet for you. Basically a sheet to help people pick a setup and watch how the power curve changes with cams, headwork, bigger turbos, intercoolers, etc.
I think something like that would help a lot of people....but i have no idea how to make anything like that.
^^ This idea would be awesome. For one of my classes, I have to create some sort of data analysis tool using the methods/techniques we learned throughout the semester, maybe I can integrate this into the project, or at least start something with it? I would need logs from people with all sorts of different turbos, etc.

Is there room for us N/A guys on your top 10 lists?
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OK, I'll get the ball rolling.

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Engine: EJ207 (new ACL "race series" bearings" and new oem forged pistons)
Turbo: GCG GT3076R "bolt-on" turbo. 3" inlet Garret 0.60 compressor housing and P20 turbine housings.
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TIME    LOAD    VS    RPM     MRP     IAT   TOA    AP
0       0.69    44    2088    1.6     38    100    14.65
250     0.68    44    2120    1.64    38    100    14.65
469     0.69    46    2113    1.7     38    100    14.65
687     0.69    46    2183    1.76    37    100    14.65
922     0.66    47    2230    1.8     37    100    14.65
1156    0.68    47    2283    1.84    37    100    14.65
1375    0.7     49    2289    1.91    37    100    14.65
1594    0.69    49    2336    1.99    37    100    14.65
1828    0.7     51    2387    2.03    37    100    14.65
2047    0.71    51    2409    2.13    36    100    14.65
2281    0.71    53    2474    2.22    36    100    14.65
2531    0.71    53    2499    2.26    36    100    14.65
2750    0.72    53    2568    2.34    36    100    14.65
2969    0.74    55    2621    2.42    36    100    14.65
3266    0.78    55    2658    2.55    35    100    14.65
3484    0.81    56    2694    2.63    35    100    14.65
3719    0.82    56    2736    2.75    35    100    14.65
3937    0.83    59    2797    2.84    35    100    14.65
4156    0.87    59    2846    2.96    35    100    14.65
4406    0.89    61    2892    3.02    34    100    14.65
4625    0.92    61    2947    3.15    34    100    14.65
4859    0.92    63    2983    3.35    34    100    14.65
5094    0.94    63    3048    3.56    34    100    14.65
5312    0.94    65    3094    3.77    34    100    14.65
5547    0.95    65    3146    4       34    100    14.65
5766    0.91    68    3202    4.2     33    100    14.65
6000    0.93    68    3228    4.31    33    100    14.65
6234    0.99    71    3279    4.51    33    100    14.65
6453    1.02    71    3324    4.85    33    100    14.65
6687    1.01    73    3330    5.22    33    100    14.65
6891    0.98    73    3440    5.41    33    100    14.65
7156    0.96    74    3510    5.53    33    100    14.65
7391    1.05    74    3551    5.72    32    100    14.65
7625    1.05    74    3628    6.13    32    100    14.65
7844    1.07    77    3696    6.34    32    100    14.65
8062    1.08    77    3722    6.73    32    100    14.65
8297    1.1     80    3718    7.14    32    100    14.65
8531    1.09    80    3834    7.43    32    100    14.65
8781    1.09    83    3920    7.79    32    100    14.65
9000    1.12    83    3968    8.08    31    100    14.65
9250    1.14    86    4028    8.53    31    100    14.65
9469    1.18    86    4105    8.91    31    100    14.65
9719    1.2     88    4199    9.48    31    100    14.65
9953    1.29    88    4218    10.13   31    100    14.65
10172   1.45    92    4305    10.93   31    100    14.65
10391   1.53    92    4380    12.16   31    100    14.65
10641   1.6     95    4443    13.57   30    100    14.65
10844   1.8     95    4598    15.53   30    100    14.65
11094   1.92    99    4650    17.54   30    100    14.65
11312   2.05    99    4777    19.86   30    100    14.65
11547   2.2    102    4864    21.97   30    100    14.65
11766   2.3    102    4963    23.42   30    100    14.65
11984   2.3    102    5140    23.96   30    100    14.65
12219   2.37   107    5252    24.07   30    100    14.65
12453   2.36   107    5364    24.05   30    100    14.65
12656   2.36   112    5522    23.92   30    100    14.65
12875   2.38   112    5664    23.82   30    100    14.65
13094   2.41   118    5769    23.88   30    100    14.65
13344   2.39   118    5891    23.86   30    100    14.65
13594   2.4    124    5962    23.88   30    100    14.65
13797   2.37   124    6063    23.92   30    100    14.65
14016   2.35   131    6224    23.94   30    100    14.65
14234   2.3    131    6388    23.94   30    100    14.65
14469   2.34   137    6438    23.96   30    100    14.65
14687   2.3    137    6602    24      30    100    14.65
14906   2.3    142    6643    24      30    100    14.65
15156   2.27   142    6855    24      30    100    14.65
15391   2.31   142    6824    24.02   30    100    14.65
15594   2.23   147    6931    24.04   30    100    14.65
15844   2.2    147    7005    24.04   30    100    14.65
16078   2.14   153    7218    24.04   30    100    14.65
16281   2.13   153    7338    24.04   30    100    14.65
16531   2.07   157    7396    24.04   29    100    14.65

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GOAL
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Given that you want the fastest log speed, there is little value in logging the Atmosphere Pressure during the actual run. The User should specify the pressure by logging it for a few seconds before the run.

The same is true for Intake Air Temp and VS. The VS is going to be calculated, so why use the ECU value which itself is a simple measurement from the VSS"?

Just looking to reduce items to increase log speed, as that makes the data much more useful. (At least for tuning).

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TIME	RPM	LOAD	TPS	MRP
0	1633	1.51	99.96	1.31
210	1726	1.53	99.96	1.6
430	1829	1.52	99.96	1.89
640	1905	1.54	99.96	2.03
860	1992	1.58	99.96	2.32
1080	2108	1.65	99.96	2.61
1290	2209	1.73	99.96	2.9
1510	2304	1.83	99.96	3.34
1720	2444	1.93	99.96	3.92
1940	2557	2.01	99.96	4.64
2160	2635	2.09	99.96	5.37
2370	2761	2.22	99.96	6.38
2590	2870	2.43	99.96	7.54
2800	3034	2.64	99.96	9.14
3020	3212	2.78	99.96	11.17
3240	3367	2.95	99.96	13.63
3450	3549	3.32	99.96	16.97
3670	3721	3.81	99.96	20.59
3880	3968	3.85	99.96	22.34
4100	4196	3.88	99.96	22.48
4320	4406	3.9	99.96	22.48
4530	4623	3.9	99.96	22.48
4750	4823	3.9	99.96	22.48
4960	5085	3.83	99.96	21.75
5180	5271	3.83	99.96	21.46
5400	5457	3.88	99.96	22.04
5610	5641	3.86	99.96	22.34
5840	5817	3.76	99.96	22.34
6040	6067	3.6	99.96	21.75
6260	6162	3.55	99.96	21.75
6460	6392	3.45	99.96	21.61
6650	6530	3.37	99.96	21.46
6860	6589	3.27	99.96	21.32
7080	6809	3.2	99.96	21.03
7290	6898	3.12	99.96	21.03
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Given that you want the fastest log speed, there is little value in logging the Atmosphere Pressure during the actual run. The User should specify the pressure by logging it for a few seconds before the run.
Hopefully by logging ap it will limit incorrect data

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The same is true for Intake Air Temp and VS. The VS is going to be calculated, so why use the ECU value which itself is a simple measurement from the VSS"?
Again, to limit incorrect data. If VS is logged, gear used can be determined to limit errors.

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Just looking to reduce items to increase log speed, as that makes the data much more useful. (At least for tuning).

Jeff
I totally understand and agree with what you are saying Jeff, but by reducing the logged parameters, ppl can more easily fudge things, which will lead to incorrect results and reduce the effectiveness of the list.

I tried to limit parameters while still keeping enough to allow me to quickly check things to ensure ppl have not made changes to the numbers etc.

Unfortunately some ppl will still manage to edit data to improve their results, I'm simply trying to reduce the number that do
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Hopefully by logging ap it will limit incorrect data


Again, to limit incorrect data. If VS is logged, gear used can be determined to limit errors.


I totally understand and agree with what you are saying Jeff, but by reducing the logged parameters, ppl can more easily fudge things, which will lead to incorrect results and reduce the effectiveness of the list.

I tried to limit parameters while still keeping enough to allow me to quickly check things to ensure ppl have not made changes to the numbers etc.

Unfortunately some ppl will still manage to edit data to improve their results, I'm simply trying to reduce the number that do
Understood. Makes Sense. However the use of VSS to detect the incorrect gear is not needed. If you do a 3rd in 4th or 4th in 3rd, the power numbers are off by an incredible amount. BUT.. I suppose you are right that someone might still make a wild claim. Perhaps another idea is that you filter out what you think is suspect. The engineer in me just cringes a bit when we log something like Atmos Pressure that won't change in the run, and has VERY little effect on the power output. It would be eaiser to lie about tire size and have a MUCH larger effect.

None the less, a cool idea to see how cars perform in the actual road. Cool stuff.
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np Jeff. I'll set IAT, AP and VS as option but prefered (as to limit me from excluding data if it looks wrong).
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