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Old 03-25-2009, 11:44 PM   #1
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so i was talking to a friend the other day about how im in the market to buy an 06 or 07 STi and he tells me that for under $1000 he knows someone who has 323whp and 400wtq. he said all he did was intake, downpipe, catback (that would be full exhaust right? thats what he said, im new to the turbo exhaust thing, yes i will read the manifesto more) and a tune and he made those said numbers all for under $1000.

now lets say he got no deals or free parts. does this sound right to you guys? let me know as this may be some of the first mods i would do when i got my STi, unless you guys have better ideas as to you already own them and are modding them and it will be my first turbo car and i want to do it right and safe. thanks in advance!
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Old 03-26-2009, 12:08 AM   #2
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so i was talking to a friend the other day about how im in the market to buy an 06 or 07 STi and he tells me that for under $1000 he knows someone who has 323whp and 400wtq. he said all he did was intake, downpipe, catback (that would be full exhaust right? thats what he said, im new to the turbo exhaust thing, yes i will read the manifesto more) and a tune and he made those said numbers all for under $1000.

now lets say he got no deals or free parts. does this sound right to you guys? let me know as this may be some of the first mods i would do when i got my STi, unless you guys have better ideas as to you already own them and are modding them and it will be my first turbo car and i want to do it right and safe. thanks in advance!
Yes, make sure you read into the manifesto just to familiarize yourself with basic knowledge of these cars.

The average person will not make big power for $1000. If you walk into a shop with no "hook ups" and pick up a full exhaust, intake, boost controller, and tune, expect to pay around 2 grand for decent power (approx 300-315 on a dynojet dyno).

However, pick up a non-catted dp for 100 bux, and get it tuned on open source instead of a brand-name software, and you could make the same power for under 500. My buddy last weekend went 12.3 @ 111 with just a dp and a tune, which I bet would embarrass that 323 / 400.

Last year, I spent 500 on a used exhaust and got a "donated" tune. Say I spent the 350 on that tune. I went 12.02 @ 112. All for 850, which I know would walk all over that 323whp car. For another 500 in mods this year, I have trapped 114 and have gone 12.01

Its all how you approach the situation. People feel the need to spend money to go fast, but if you put in some time, research, and possibly meet the right people, you can spend close to nothing and be faster than 99% of the cars on the road today. Keep in mind right now that 12.3 car has about 290whp on a mustang, and my car between 310-315.
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Old 03-26-2009, 12:09 AM   #3
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the search button is your friend chief.....also, keep reading the manifesto and you'll find the answers you need
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Old 03-26-2009, 12:28 AM   #4
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alright thanks for the info, i do plan to read the manifesto more though, oh yes i do. yeah and i will use the search button, just thought id throw this one out there after what i heard yesterday from a friend. feel free to close this one now
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Old 03-26-2009, 12:29 AM   #5
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Last year, I spent 500 on a used exhaust and got a "donated" tune. Say I spent the 350 on that tune. I went 12.02 @ 112. All for 850, which I know would walk all over that 323whp car. For another 500 in mods this year, I have trapped 114 and have gone 12.01

Its all how you approach the situation. People feel the need to spend money to go fast, but if you put in some time, research, and possibly meet the right people, you can spend close to nothing and be faster than 99% of the cars on the road today. Keep in mind right now that 12.3 car has about 290whp on a mustang, and my car between 310-315.
Your times are impressive. They sound like the exception as far as I have witnessed at my local track (for so few mods).
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Old 03-26-2009, 12:36 AM   #6
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i really doubt you will be getting anywhere near 400wtq with just tbe and a tune.
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Old 03-26-2009, 01:37 AM   #7
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I would say if everything was used and you talked some people way down that its possible. but if everything was new then i would say it wouldnt happen.
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Old 03-26-2009, 06:38 AM   #8
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It all depends on the fuel being used. If you are in an area with easy access to E85, then 320whp/400wtq is absolutely possible for under $1000 even if you are buying all new parts AND paying for your tune. An inexpensive but effective TBE can be had for around $525. Add in $450 for a tune and you are still under $1000. However, on just unleaded pump gas no way will 400wtq happen, you'll need the miracle corn juice for that
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Old 03-26-2009, 07:35 AM   #9
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I'm going to have to say that unless it was on E85... I highly doubt 323/400 at the wheels was achieved. Especially if all he has was a full exhaust, intake and tune. I think even with E85, on the stock turbo, this would be very hard. If your counting on these numbers to "sell" you to the STi, I would look into it some more. Common numbers on the stock turbo with regular pump fuel are in the low to mid 300 range.
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Old 03-26-2009, 08:28 AM   #10
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you know now that you mention E85, he was talking about it and i think thats what he said this said car was running.
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Old 03-26-2009, 08:37 AM   #11
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you know now that you mention E85, he was talking about it and i think thats what he said this said car was running.
Ask what fuel injectors he was running, as well. The stock one's just aren't up to running E85, not nearly enough flow. (Yes, you can run E85 in them, but you'll max them out and make less power than you will on gas.)

You could probably make those numbers with just a down pipe, water/meth injection, and a good open-source tune on good old 93 octane... Buy used and I'm sure you do it for under $1000.00
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Old 03-26-2009, 08:40 AM   #12
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alright, ill try to remember to ask him but it wont be until next tuesday as hes the cornwell tools guy that comes into my work. he also said you can run E85 and a good tune with 0 knock. true? what all do you have to do for E85 switch?

que up the "use the search button noob"......
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Old 03-26-2009, 09:24 AM   #13
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alright, ill try to remember to ask him but it wont be until next tuesday as hes the cornwell tools guy that comes into my work. he also said you can run E85 and a good tune with 0 knock. true? what all do you have to do for E85 switch?

que up the "use the search button noob"......
Yeah, with such an upgrade, you really need to get more info and opinions for yourself when it comes to E85.
The basic mods you will need is a larger fuel pump (walboro 255lph), Bigger injectors (minimum 850cc's) and retuned for E85. Think thats it (might be forgetting something).
Have fun! hope you get that STi!
Just be smart and take your time doing research before getting parts together, will save you lots of money in the long run. No Boom Boom!
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Old 03-26-2009, 10:58 AM   #14
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Don't forget to add in $200 for lug nuts!
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Old 03-26-2009, 12:35 PM   #15
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I got a TBE off ebay for $250, ebay tmic $250, ebay headers $250

you can go cheap pretty easy now days.

the expensive stuff is really the wrenching and tuning....so if you can do the work yourself and use opensource, then you can do it for cheap.

And the reason most people are slow(er) with just tbe and tune is because they dont get race gas tunes. You can take 2 cars, even 2 stock cars and tune one on race gas and it will kill the pump gas car.
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An inexpensive but effective TBE can be had for around $525.
Try half that.

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Old 03-26-2009, 12:58 PM   #17
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I would personally go a protune stage 2 (TBE) with pump gas and a decent meth kit, you'd probably be pretty happy with the results, and you wouldn't be a whole hell of a lot over your price range, depending on what deals you can find.
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Old 03-26-2009, 01:04 PM   #18
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I would personally go a protune stage 2 (TBE) with pump gas and a decent meth kit, you'd probably be pretty happy with the results, and you wouldn't be a whole hell of a lot over your price range, depending on what deals you can find.
Absolutely. There are a few people who have been tuned at the local shop by Junior who make the same power with meth, everyday, that I make on racegas.
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Old 03-26-2009, 02:05 PM   #19
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Absolutely. There are a few people who have been tuned at the local shop by Junior who make the same power with meth, everyday, that I make on racegas.
Honestly your pretty much running a rogue variation of race gas when you run pump + METH I mean Q16 is like $15 gal and you can buy a 55gal drum of METH for like $80 if have the right hookup.
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Old 03-26-2009, 06:24 PM   #20
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Don't forget to add in $200 for lug nuts!
dude you're beating a dead horse, just drop it. and im still waiting for you to post your dyno sheets justifing your need for these on a DD. what's a couple ounces on a 4000 lbs car? even it was 3000lbs? if these lugnuts are worth the 200 bucks, you better be able to burn your car to the ground twice over and take the lugnuts to the next car to use.

sorry to get off topic, this guy fails to have a valid reason why you would put these on a DD, full blown race car, yes, you do whatever it takes to win. and they wont increas MPG on a DD one bit.

but thanks for the info in this thread, good stuff i like that SOME people on here know what they are talking about
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Old 03-26-2009, 10:20 PM   #21
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edit: double post, sorry, i wasnt sure if it worked from my iphone

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alright, ill try to remember to ask him but it wont be until next tuesday as hes the cornwell tools guy that comes into my work. he also said you can run E85 and a good tune with 0 knock. true? what all do you have to do for E85 switch?

que up the "use the search button noob"......
A good tune for whatever fuel you run ideally has 0 knock...
The short list for E85:
Fuel pump
Injectors
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