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Old 03-26-2009, 02:36 PM   #1
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I have a proposal into WCRA for a 2009 Novice rally series for BC which looks like it will get approved . We need a showcase to develop rally talent so more of VIC members can give members like truonosan and timbits a run for their money in the regional rallys .

There will be 3 rallys in the series, all are around 6 hours long. One will be all pavement and that is an ORCA event, Sno Git rally out of Bellingham on July 18th . The other 2 will be gravel rallys out of Merritt on June 28th and Oct. 18th . No car prep is required and you should expect nothing more than normal wear and tear . Any and all rough sections will be identified and time given to slow down for them . Average speeds for the gravel events will be interesting but slower than you would expect on a regional event. The route for the Merritt events will likely use a lot of the roads which are used for the stage events including the Canadian Championship event Pacific Forest Rally . So its a good chance to see and drive those roads. You will have to drive them at a controlled speed but we will have notes in the instructions as to what average speed Pat Richard does those same sections in , which will be interesting .

There will also be a 2 hour rally school before the Merritt events for people who have never tried a rally before . These events are set up for you to come and try out a rally and see if you like it . Its the best deal anywhere for cost versus hours spent in the car having fun ..

Hope to see a bunch of VIC members there having fun and shooting for top spot in the series. Let me know if you have any questions..
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Old 03-26-2009, 05:05 PM   #2
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These are TSD events, correct?
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Old 03-26-2009, 05:58 PM   #3
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Old 03-26-2009, 07:08 PM   #4
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TSD for sure .. and at atleast 10% below posted speed limits which in unregulated areas is 80 kph so max tsd speed is 72 kph .. So its not high speeds but its not slow either .
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Old 03-26-2009, 07:58 PM   #5
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I have to create names for the 2 rallys in Merritt . Anyone have a problem if we name the first one VIC novice rally ... ????? Might just as well promote VIC..
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TSD for sure .. and at atleast 10% below posted speed limits which in unregulated areas is 80 kph so max tsd speed is 72 kph .. So its not high speeds but its not slow either .
i'm not familiar at all with these events, but could someone explain it to me....i mean 10% below posted speed limit seems kind of lame...i mean why not just drive these roads any time and actually go the speed limit (or slightly above it )

....not trying to be a douche really, but it seems like an AutoX or rallyX would be a lot more fun/edumacational

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Old 03-26-2009, 09:20 PM   #7
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Jeff .... Its a lot more interesting that what you suggest . You have to hold an average speed exactly . so when corners come up that you have to slow down for . you then have to get back on speed quickly so you have to get up on the wheel for a bit . When there a bunch of tight corners together it gets quite challenging . The timing part of it and the working together as a team takes practise . Most of the rally teams you see in the big regionals are very experienced and they come all the way from California and Arizona to run the BC rallys . People don"t come that far to be bored .

The regional events are 2 days and 16 hours driving time . They require an extended period of concentration . Its no 30 second autocross run . ..
So what I am saying is don't knock it till you try it .
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Jeff .... Its a lot more interesting that what you suggest . You have to hold an average speed exactly . so when corners come up that you have to slow down for . you then have to get back on speed quickly so you have to get up on the wheel for a bit . When there a bunch of tight corners together it gets quite challenging . The timing part of it and the working together as a team takes practise . Most of the rally teams you see in the big regionals are very experienced and they come all the way from California and Arizona to run the BC rallys . People don"t come that far to be bored .

The regional events are 2 days and 16 hours driving time . They require an extended period of concentration . Its no 30 second autocross run . ..
So what I am saying is don't knock it till you try it .
right on...wasn't trying to knock it...just looking for an explanation....actually sounds kinda fun....i might try it out next year....this year my car needs way too much work still....8 hours of driving and it would die....lol...
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Old 03-27-2009, 04:39 AM   #9
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could i get pm and more info.
like time and cost.. ( i sign contracts for work. so really depends on how my work schedules will be)
i'm very interested... sounds very fun.
when you say no prep car is required... like it can be stock? if my sti is like somewhat track prep.would i needa change the mods to be more rally friendly?

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Old 03-27-2009, 10:25 AM   #10
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If you look at the thunderbird entry list you will see what a range of cars enter . There were 3 1969 Saabs , a 78 Cadillac Eldoroado 71 Alfa Romeo a very old VW bug and lots of 1980 yrs car right up to new subies and pickup trucks . Your STI would on the hot end of the scale .

The novice events are intended to be that . They will be a step down from the regional in terms of distances and speeds. The paved one out of Bellingham will be a great event . Its basically a tour of the nice driving roads of Skagit and neighbouring counties ..

Costs . I expect entry fees in the $50 area .
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I did my first TSD last month. And it was the best driving exp I`ve had.  If you went to the roads and just drove, what happens if you end up in a ditch (like me ) the locals are sometimes with us.

I like TSD`s more then autox. 16 hours of driving > 6 x 30 secs runs
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thanks for the info. i'll look more into it.
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Old 03-27-2009, 12:38 PM   #13
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June 28th is the first one....time to beg the wife
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30sec course?!??!!?
can you teach me how to drive.... =) hehe

ohh what happens if u end up in a ditch!! =(


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I did my first TSD last month. And it was the best driving exp I`ve had.  If you went to the roads and just drove, what happens if you end up in a ditch (like me ) the locals are sometimes with us.

I like TSD`s more then autox. 16 hours of driving > 6 x 30 secs runs
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thunderbird rally was also my first real TSD. Looking forward to going to another one. I prefer doing checkpointing then actually competing. if you need volunteers then let me know.
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i'm not familiar at all with these events, but could someone explain it to me....i mean 10% below posted speed limit seems kind of lame...i mean why not just drive these roads any time and actually go the speed limit (or slightly above it )

....not trying to be a douche really, but it seems like an AutoX or rallyX would be a lot more fun/edumacational

10% below still allows you to do 72km/h. Go into the woods and see what it's like to hold 70+km/h on windy forest roads. Now imagine mixed gravel, compact snow, and sheer ice. And obviously, when you're running late, you drive faster...

There were numerous times during the last thunderbird where my navigator would realize that we're running late, and she would permit me to go into "drive-as-fast-as-I-can-without-getting-us-killed" mode for a few minutes.

You won't be bored.

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+1 to that.

neither the wife or i was bored thats for ****ing sure.

You can't really understand how awesom it is until you get out there.
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My wife couldn't be my co-driver, she gets carsick
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^You could probably co-drive for me.
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you can yourselves the Baldies.
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^You could probably co-drive for me.
I want to be a driver too though If I can't find a co-driver myself, I would gladly be yours.

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you can yourselves the Baldies.
Nah, we'll be the BP's.
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Get her to take gravol. Tons of navigators would get sick without it...gravol is an essential part of any TSD rally kit.
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Get her to take gravol. Tons of navigators would get sick without it...gravol is an essential part of any TSD rally kit.
Then she'd pass out
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Then she'd pass out
"honey, whats my next direction...??"
"honey ??..."
"OH SHIIIIIT!!!!!#$#@$#"
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Just back from Trail of the Gnu rally in Alberta . We spent hours out on oil field roads that no one uses . The rally master said there were section were no one would come close to making the averages and he was right . Serious flat out hard as you could go for 20 mins or better at a time . There is no way any autocross or rally cross come close to that kind of fun . and all 24 cars that entered finished ..

Great comments from Truenosan and Tim Bits . will expect to see you out at the Novice series events . They are just for people like you that are starting out .
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