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Old 12-18-2012, 09:04 PM   #6726
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IDs are the **** smooth and easy.
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Old 12-18-2012, 09:48 PM   #6727
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I've have nothing but great things to say about FIC. I have never had a bad set on my personal vehicles or anyone else's, and the only thing even remotely close to a problem I have had with them is this cold start thing on 1 vehicle (which happens to be my own), which isn't as much a problem as it is a nuisance, as the car runs just fine and starts practically instantly once it gets a slight bump from the gas pedal.

Like I said, I am sure that it is a combo of things in my vehicle's setup as well as running a 16bit ECU running an maf intake that is hacked to almost a 1/4-scale to allow enough headroom for the current application. This isn't exactly stacking things in the car's favor.

I have ZERO bad things to say about ID as well, but to say that ALL injectors outside of ID have poor research and development, and any issues I am having are likely due to FIC is kind of misleading and biased. What about the guys that have had issues with ID injectors not performing properly? My guess is that you would say, it is the tuner and/or the setup instead of the injector...

I mean, if ID was doing EVERYTHING in a much better way than anyone else, and truly was the ONLY company performing to standard, how in the world would the other companies stay in business and continue to be run in applications when ID's injectors are the same price or cheaper than alot of the other options? Why isn't ID being selected for OEM applications? Obviously, there are some companies out there that do not have alot of money tied up in research and development, but there are other companies that do, and just because they do not test the injectors the same as ID, or at least not broadcasting that they are testing them this way, doesn't mean that they are doing it all wrong.
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Old 12-18-2012, 10:10 PM   #6728
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I've have nothing but great things to say about FIC. I have never had a bad set on my personal vehicles or anyone else's, and the only thing even remotely close to a problem I have had with them is this cold start thing on 1 vehicle (which happens to be my own), which isn't as much a problem as it is a nuisance, as the car runs just fine and starts practically instantly once it gets a slight bump from the gas pedal.

Like I said, I am sure that it is a combo of things in my vehicle's setup as well as running a 16bit ECU running an maf intake that is hacked to almost a 1/4-scale to allow enough headroom for the current application. This isn't exactly stacking things in the car's favor.

I have ZERO bad things to say about ID as well, but to say that ALL injectors outside of ID have poor research and development, and any issues I am having are likely due to FIC is kind of misleading and biased. What about the guys that have had issues with ID injectors not performing properly? My guess is that you would say, it is the tuner and/or the setup instead of the injector...

I mean, if ID was doing EVERYTHING in a much better way than anyone else, and truly was the ONLY company performing to standard, how in the world would the other companies stay in business and continue to be run in applications when ID's injectors are the same price or cheaper than alot of the other options? Why isn't ID being selected for OEM applications? Obviously, there are some companies out there that do not have alot of money tied up in research and development, but there are other companies that do, and just because they do not test the injectors the same as ID, or at least not broadcasting that they are testing them this way, doesn't mean that they are doing it all wrong.
Very well said.
I personally had terrible luck with ID injectors, I had the car in the hands of 3 different experienced tuners who couldn't get the car to idle on E85.

ID was less than helpful and actually had very poor customer service. I was told there was no way the injectors were to blame. They wouldn't offer an exchange, a good partial refund or any assistance what so ever. I ended up selling the setup for less than half what I paid and it kept my car down for an entire season while I messed with tuning.

No matter how good everyone says they are I'll seek every option before I buy from them again.
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Old 12-18-2012, 10:26 PM   #6729
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I mean, if ID was doing EVERYTHING in a much better way than anyone else, and truly was the ONLY company performing to standard, how in the world would the other companies stay in business and continue to be run in applications when ID's injectors are the same price or cheaper than alot of the other options? Why isn't ID being selected for OEM applications? Obviously, there are some companies out there that do not have alot of money tied up in research and development, but there are other companies that do, and just because they do not test the injectors the same as ID, or at least not broadcasting that they are testing them this way, doesn't mean that they are doing it all wrong.
That seems like poor logic to me.
My only answer to that is look at the hta68 and Gimmick products. People buy crap all the time knowing it isn't better or actually believing it's the "same" or a decent product.

****, people still buy mopar...
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Old 12-18-2012, 10:33 PM   #6730
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****, people still buy mopar...
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Old 12-18-2012, 11:42 PM   #6731
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That seems like poor logic to me.
My only answer to that is look at the hta68 and Gimmick products. People buy crap all the time knowing it isn't better or actually believing it's the "same" or a decent product.

****, people still buy mopar...
Oh, man... lol-ing in my cube at work doesn't happen that often. Kudos.
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:16 AM   #6732
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That seems like poor logic to me.
My only answer to that is look at the hta68 and Gimmick products. People buy crap all the time knowing it isn't better or actually believing it's the "same" or a decent product.

****, people still buy mopar...

Different strokes for different folks. I am sure that ALOT of people in the drag racing world would differ from your view point quite drastically on the mopar comment...BUT...it just proves my point that this is driven more by opinion and/or personal experience with the product rather than facts based on everyone's overall experience with the product. There are plenty of shops, companies, and teams out there who back FIC wholeheartedly, and FIC's customer service is amazing, especially when you consider the size of the company and how long they have been around. Alot of times the bigger and more developed companies have horrible customer service, and it feels like they could care less about your one little purchase because they have a billion others.

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Old 12-19-2012, 01:45 PM   #6733
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I nabbed a sensor from a Tahoe out of junk yard and wired it to the Zeitronix ECA gauge.





How much did you pay for the sensor at the junkyard? I tried this a year ago and everyone wanted to charge close to the $300 OEM price!!
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Old 12-19-2012, 02:12 PM   #6734
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Different strokes for different folks. I am sure that ALOT of people in the drag racing world would differ from your view point quite drastically on the mopar comment...BUT...it just proves my point that this is driven more by opinion and/or personal experience with the product rather than facts based on everyone's overall experience with the product. There are plenty of shops, companies, and teams out there who back FIC wholeheartedly, and FIC's customer service is amazing, especially when you consider the size of the company and how long they have been around. Alot of times the bigger and more developed companies have horrible customer service, and it feels like they could care less about your one little purchase because they have a billion others.
How many people do think work at FIC?
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Old 12-19-2012, 02:15 PM   #6735
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Different strokes for different folks. I am sure that ALOT of people in the drag racing world would differ from your view point quite drastically on the mopar comment...BUT...it just proves my point that this is driven more by opinion and/or personal experience with the product rather than facts based on everyone's overall experience with the product.
Your point? You said that if ID was the best, then nobody would buy anything else.
MY POINT was that it isn't based on actual quality, but perceived quality.


For the record, there are like 3 different FIC's around. Maybe we're talking about different ones.
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Old 12-19-2012, 02:46 PM   #6736
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How much did you pay for the sensor at the junkyard? I tried this a year ago and everyone wanted to charge close to the $300 OEM price!!
Haha, its a funny story actually.

I went to a junkyard that doesn't really cater to walk in business so I was on my own to go find the part and pull it myself. They sent me back to where this particular Tahoe was sitting. I had to do some gladiator style manoeuvring to get over the cars/trucks/parts that bordered the main road to get back there since it was filled with a foot of water/mud. I make it back there and find the Tahoe is sitting on its frame rails which isn't helpful given sensor is mounted on the rail pretty much on the other side of driver foot well. The engine was out so I looked in tranny tunnel and could see the sensor but it was all rusted out and breaking apart since it had been in standing water due to being at a low point in the yard. I was about to leave and noticed another FFV Tahoe near by also on its frame rails with the engine pulled. It was up higher and its sensor was in great shape. I had to crawl into the tranny tunnel head first, roll over onto my side, tuck into the fetal position to get my feet over the crossmember then roll back onto my knees in order to be in position to unbolt the sensor. Its about 90* outside so I'm sweating my face off and getting bitten mosquitoes but after a bit I managed to unbolt it and get it and myself back out of tranny tunnel. Its still 10 minutes until closing time so I think I'm doing good but as I go to leave the main part of the yard, I find they've closed me in with a big swinging gate. I managed to squeeze underneath it and proceed to the smaller part of the yard that is next to their building. There is no one around and I find I'm locked in there as well but one of the chainlink gates that swings together was bent enough that I was able to squeeze through it. I head into the building where the guys are surprised to see that I'm still there. I'm sweating profusely, covered in dirt/grease and my knee is bleeding from cutting it when crawling into the Tahoe. They look at my part and ask what it is. I play dumb and tell him its some fuel sensor thing that went bad on my Tahoe. The guy says, "I've never seen one of those before and it looks like you worked pretty hard to get it. How about $10?". I smiled and paid the man.


TL;DR - I pulled one myself and the guys at the junkyard didn't know what it was so I got for $10.
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Old 12-19-2012, 02:52 PM   #6737
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Haha, its a funny story actually.

I went to a junkyard that doesn't really cater to walk in business so I was on my own to go find the part and pull it myself. They sent me back to where this particular Tahoe was sitting. I had to do some gladiator style manoeuvring to get over the cars/trucks/parts that bordered the main road to get back there since it was filled with a foot of water/mud. I make it back there and find the Tahoe is sitting on its frame rails which isn't helpful given sensor is mounted on the rail pretty much on the other side of driver foot well. The engine was out so I looked in tranny tunnel and could see the sensor but it was all rusted out and breaking apart since it had been in standing water due to being at a low point in the yard. I was about to leave and noticed another FFV Tahoe near by also on its frame rails with the engine pulled. It was up higher and its sensor was in great shape. I had to crawl into the tranny tunnel head first, roll over onto my side, tuck into the fetal position to get my feet over the crossmember then roll back onto my knees in order to be in position to unbolt the sensor. Its about 90* outside so I'm sweating my face off and getting bitten mosquitoes but after a bit I managed to unbolt it and get it and myself back out of tranny tunnel. Its still 10 minutes until closing time so I think I'm doing good but as I go to leave the main part of the yard, I find they've closed me in with a big swinging gate. I managed to squeeze underneath it and proceed to the smaller part of the yard that is next to their building. There is no one around and I find I'm locked in there as well but one of the chainlink gates that swings together was bent enough that I was able to squeeze through it. I head into the building where the guys are surprised to see that I'm still there. I'm sweating profusely, covered in dirt/grease and my knee is bleeding from cutting it when crawling into the Tahoe. They look at my part and ask what it is. I play dumb and tell him its some fuel sensor thing that went bad on my Tahoe. The guy says, "I've never seen one of those before and it looks like you worked pretty hard to get it. How about $10?". I smiled and paid the man.


TL;DR - I pulled one myself and the guys at the junkyard didn't know what it was so I got for $10.

You make me sick Contorting your body in ways it wasn't meant to be and getting dirty paid off hahahhaha. Sweet find dude!
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Old 12-19-2012, 02:54 PM   #6738
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what people buy isnt based on quality anyway....its mostly based on budget.

ebay $120 injectors ftw!
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Old 12-19-2012, 02:55 PM   #6739
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Your point? You said that if ID was the best, then nobody would buy anything else.
MY POINT was that it isn't based on actual quality, but perceived quality.


For the record, there are like 3 different FIC's around. Maybe we're talking about different ones.

I can agree that perception is believed by probably 3/4 of the public, and only the remaining 1/4 do the research prior to purchasing. It is always interesting how little research people do before buying a product sometimes.

I am speaking of Fuel Injector Clinic that sells the Bluemax injectors, and is based out of Hobe Sound, FL. Here is their website http://fuelinjectorclinic.com/ for reference.

I was unaware that there was more than one, as I have only come across and dealt with this one. What do the other two FIC's sell, and where are they based out of/who sells them, so I can be on the lookout for them?
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Old 12-19-2012, 03:08 PM   #6740
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Fuel injector clinic over here in Washington,
fuel injector connection in GA
and your FIC I guess.

Looking at their site, I don't see anything between the 1100 and the 2150. That is a VERY good thing. There isn't a good injector currently released that flows anywhere between them. There are injectors, but they aren't any good.
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Old 12-19-2012, 03:45 PM   #6741
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I can agree that perception is believed by probably 3/4 of the public, and only the remaining 1/4 do the research prior to purchasing. It is always interesting how little research people do before buying a product sometimes.

I am speaking of Fuel Injector Clinic that sells the Bluemax injectors, and is based out of Hobe Sound, FL. Here is their website http://fuelinjectorclinic.com/ for reference.

I was unaware that there was more than one, as I have only come across and dealt with this one. What do the other two FIC's sell, and where are they based out of/who sells them, so I can be on the lookout for them?
They make a decent injector, and the reason that the customer service is so good is because the entire company is about 20 people.
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Old 12-19-2012, 04:11 PM   #6742
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and your FIC I guess.

Looking at their site, I don't see anything between the 1100 and the 2150. That is a VERY good thing. There isn't a good injector currently released that flows anywhere between them. There are injectors, but they aren't any good.

Not in high impedance there isn't. They used to have a high impedance 1680cc, which was the same as the ID1600's, but it is removed from the market for the same reason ID's was.

The low impedance injectors never had the fluctuation issues that the high impedance ones did because they are a completely different assembly. The low impedance stuff ranges from 650-1650cc in 100cc increments. I personally am using the 1250cc Low impedance Bluemax injectors. All that was required for me to use it was a 3/8" spacer in the fuel rail and the driver.
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Old 12-19-2012, 04:14 PM   #6743
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Old 12-19-2012, 04:18 PM   #6744
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That is correct sir. Without the low impedance driver, a resistor box would be needed.
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Old 12-19-2012, 04:21 PM   #6745
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I would be very interested to see the response curves of those injectors over the voltage and fuel pressure range.
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I would be very interested to see the response curves of those injectors over the voltage and fuel pressure range.
I have a few sets, Want me to send you a set for testing?
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Old 12-19-2012, 04:32 PM   #6748
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I have a few sets, Want me to send you a set for testing?
If most aftermarket companies don't have the necessary equipment to test these injectors, I sure won't.

I want to see the results of the tests. FIC should have them. If they don't, I rest my case.
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Old 12-20-2012, 01:13 PM   #6749
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This car is awesome and even better on E85!! I love my RSTI but it makes me want to build a 207 car!
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Old 12-27-2012, 02:24 PM   #6750
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Hey amalgrover,

Thanks for sharing your positive experiences using Fuel Injector Clinic injectors! We take pride in the quality of injectors that we offer and of course we aim high when it comes to customer service as well.

We work closely with NASIOC vendors like No Limit Motorsport, Akuma Motorsports, Cobb Tuning, and plenty of others who have had great experiences with our injectors, which is enough reason to have confidence in what we offer.

We do work with lots of race teams, tuners, and shops across many markets and see our injectors being used in some incredibly demanding applications like in Prayoonto Racingís lineup of 8 and 9-second K-Series drag Hondas, Matt Lennenís 8-second drag Supra, FXMDís time attack NSX, the quickest and fastest 4G63 in the world in Tony Niemczykís dragster, and many more.

Maxwell Power,
As far as I know we are the only Fuel Injector Clinic out there, is it possible that the shop you are thinking of in Washington is one of our larger dealers like English Racing? They are very widely known as in the DSM and Evo world with their low 8 second shop car (
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Interestingly enough, they just posted about tuning a HTA35R STi on E85 to make 547 whp using Fuel Injector Clinic 2150s actually, the dyno graph is posted here: https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...47690086_o.jpg
However if thereís another company out there using our name that you know of please let me know!
There is another shop that chose a name similar to ours with the initials FIC but their name is in fact different and we arenít affiliated with them in any way so hopefully thereís no confusion there.

To tell you a bit more about our products, we sell only brand new injectors at Fuel Injector Clinic in order to offer the best reliability possible. We back up great reliability with excellent performance which is a result of extensive in-house testing and data acquisition. Our injectors are dynamically matched into sets to offer the best performance possible all while offering injectors that tune great and are smooth and stable at idle and light throttle as well. As some of those in this thread have already shown, our injectors regularly impress those who tune or use them.

Sorry for the delay in response, we've been quite busy over the holidays. Hope everyone had great holiday and here's to a happy new year as well!
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