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Old 02-19-2013, 02:26 PM   #6976
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It's unfortunate that most of you guys come off as ********. I know you are probably not that way in real life, but the tone here is pretty sad. I was just trying to have a friendly conversation.
Tone cannot really be conveyed through the written word. If you think "they are probably not that way in real life" but then they come on the internet and suddenly become a raving ******* just because it's the internet, I'm willing to bet you're quite wrong.

I bet it's more like they are the same people on the internet, but can't convey the context of emphasis and inflection that they can in real life, which can change the way a reader interprets written words.

I bet it's more like they need to explain in great detail that may seem condescending and assume ignorance because there REALLY ARE people in these forums who really are totally uninformed and inexperienced who will try to apply suggestions improperly if there is ANY detail left out... then come back and blame the professional when he ... "Joe inexperienced driveway mechanic / tuner" ... screwed something up.

The professionals who still contribute here walk a fine line. Not just in potentially giving away secrets that will lose them business, but also in accidentally pissing people off by actively trying to help them out. A lot of professionals who used to contribute to the community do not anymore because they end up with an experiences like that. I've personally talked with one of them about it years ago, so I know it to be fact for at least one.
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Old 02-19-2013, 02:29 PM   #6977
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^ I get that all the time.
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Old 02-19-2013, 02:41 PM   #6978
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Look, I saw a guy asking about the exact setup I have, so I posted up a dyno plot to give the guy an idea of what to expect. I was posting so he could see the curve of the plot and get an idea how his car will perform.

thanks man.
Gives me somewhat of an idea where my car will stand.
Now lets put down the swords.
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Old 02-19-2013, 02:46 PM   #6979
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thanks man.
Gives me somewhat of an idea where my car will stand.
Now lets put down the swords.
No problem. I like how after giving his soapbox speech he wants to make it sound like I'm the one upset. I was just trying to give you a pretty picture to look at while you think about your swap.
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Old 02-19-2013, 02:59 PM   #6980
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No problem. I like how after giving his soapbox speech he wants to make it sound like I'm the one upset. I was just trying to give you a pretty picture to look at while you think about your swap.
I wasn't upset at all. I was explaining to you why I wasn't going to give you specifics. I was detailed in my explanation so that you understood. You said
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Unfortunately that's pretty much the answer I expected.
So I was telling you why that was the answer you got.

I was trying to help by giving you a full explanation because for some reason (which I now regret) I felt you deserved one.

It obviously didn't work out as you're throwing it in my face.
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Old 02-19-2013, 03:12 PM   #6981
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I wasn't upset at all. I was explaining to you why I wasn't going to give you specifics. I was detailed in my explanation so that you understood. You said


So I was telling you why that was the answer you got.

I was trying to help by giving you a full explanation because for some reason (which I now regret) I felt you deserved one.

It obviously didn't work out as you're throwing it in my face.
I love you too, buddy. Lets just move on.
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Old 02-19-2013, 05:18 PM   #6982
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I love you too, buddy. Lets just move on.
only if I get a hug...
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Old 02-19-2013, 07:42 PM   #6983
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only if I get a hug...
It must be true, Obama nation and all the gays are taking over. Now the tuning community? Geeze!
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:17 PM   #6984
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It must be true, Obama nation and all the gays are taking over. Now the tuning community? Geeze!
HA!

You must not frequent my Facebook page....
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:24 PM   #6985
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HA!

You must not frequent my Facebook page....
Lol, you don't sound to liberal in your post
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Old 02-20-2013, 03:41 AM   #6986
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Lol, you don't sound to liberal in your post
yeah... I run a high performance automotive shop. I carry guns. I'm divorced multiple times. I have 9 cars (well... 2 are trucks). I spent 12 years in the military. I'm the oldest of 3 siblings.

I don't think gay or liberal are anywhere near accurate words to describe me. I am, however, secure enough in who I am and my sexuality to hug another man or cry at a really good movie.

I just wanted an e-hug from Simon, that's all. noooo pee pee touch.

anyway, I've ****ed this thread up enough.



hmmm....
oh I made 449 whp (@5650rpm) and 470 wtq (@4340rpm) on E85 the other day.
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Boost was 21psi peak, 19 at redline
Target AFR was 7.8 Lambda which is actually a bit on the rich side for e85. However, since it was a TMIC car, I like to keep a little more fuel on it to help just in case IATs get too high. Timing wasn't very aggressive at all in my opinion for e85.

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Old 02-20-2013, 07:31 AM   #6987
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yeah... I run a high performance automotive shop. I carry guns. I'm divorced multiple times. I have 9 cars (well... 2 are trucks). I spent 12 years in the military. I'm the oldest of 3 siblings.

I don't think gay or liberal are anywhere near accurate words to describe me. I am, however, secure enough in who I am and my sexuality to hug another man or cry at a really good movie.

I just wanted an e-hug from Simon, that's all. noooo pee pee touch.

anyway, I've ****ed this thread up enough.

hmmm....
oh I made 449 whp (@5650rpm) and 470 wtq (@4340rpm) on E85 the other day.
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Boost was 21psi peak, 19 at redline
Target AFR was 7.8 Lambda which is actually a bit on the rich side for e85. However, since it was a TMIC car, I like to keep a little more fuel on it to help just in case IATs get too high. Timing wasn't very aggressive at all in my opinion for e85.
That's a lot of torque for conservative timing!
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Old 02-20-2013, 07:50 AM   #6988
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Perfect street car. F'in em up right there.
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Old 02-20-2013, 10:19 AM   #6989
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Rather than assume, how good of news is this for us? Or are we still better off going straight to the DW301 or Wally 460/416?
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Old 02-20-2013, 10:22 AM   #6990
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Max. When are you getting full spool up with your 20 G. The 2007 wrx is a 2.0 or 2.5.

Just wonder cuz I have very similar setup except only 18 G.
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Old 02-20-2013, 01:14 PM   #6991
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I just wanted an e-hug from Simon, that's all. noooo pee pee touch.
*hug*
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Old 02-20-2013, 01:43 PM   #6992
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That's a lot of torque for conservative timing!

No, not really. I'm not sure if you're implying that I'm lying about the timing or if you were just surprised at how much torque it made on conservative timing. Either way I want to point out that it isn't actually a lot of torque for conservative timing. I kept the timing conservative and the fuel rich because it's a TMIC car. Plus the car was running the stock STi clutch and I didn't want a ton of torque to cause early clutch failure.

Let's see, peak torque at 4340 with 21psi and peak hp at 5650 where the boost is lower by at least 1psi.

From that you can gather one thing for sure:
Peak boost was before 4340 (and it's right around 4k). And if you've EVER seen any subaru dyno graphs you know peak torque is usually a few hundred rpm after peak boost. You also know that almost every tuned subaru out there has more torque than hp. And if you have ever seen a stage 2 06+ wrx, it's usually quite a bit more (over 300ftlbs of torque with less than 250whp). This is not just due to the small turbo, but also the D25 heads and their really spiffy hemispherical combustion chamber (not pent roof like the STi).

So a difference of 20 between torque and hp does not, in any way, imply a lot of timing.
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Old 02-20-2013, 01:44 PM   #6993
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*hug*





lol
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Old 02-20-2013, 02:20 PM   #6994
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Old 02-20-2013, 03:34 PM   #6995
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No, not really. I'm not sure if you're implying that I'm lying about the timing or if you were just surprised at how much torque it made on conservative timing. Either way I want to point out that it isn't actually a lot of torque for conservative timing. I kept the timing conservative and the fuel rich because it's a TMIC car. Plus the car was running the stock STi clutch and I didn't want a ton of torque to cause early clutch failure.

Let's see, peak torque at 4340 with 21psi and peak hp at 5650 where the boost is lower by at least 1psi.

From that you can gather one thing for sure:
Peak boost was before 4340 (and it's right around 4k). And if you've EVER seen any subaru dyno graphs you know peak torque is usually a few hundred rpm after peak boost. You also know that almost every tuned subaru out there has more torque than hp. And if you have ever seen a stage 2 06+ wrx, it's usually quite a bit more (over 300ftlbs of torque with less than 250whp). This is not just due to the small turbo, but also the D25 heads and their really spiffy hemispherical combustion chamber (not pent roof like the STi).

So a difference of 20 between torque and hp does not, in any way, imply a lot of timing.
I was more shocked than anything. Great numbers for sure. I just didn't expect that much for conservative timing.
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Old 02-20-2013, 07:21 PM   #6996
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D25 heads combined with e85 is an awesome combo.
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Old 02-20-2013, 07:26 PM   #6997
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the D25 heads are my favorite OEM Subaru heads
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Old 02-20-2013, 07:57 PM   #6998
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so what was the timing?
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Old 02-20-2013, 08:09 PM   #6999
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Just considering my options here, looking for a little advice. 07 WRX - stock internals, trans., VF43, ewg, id1000's, tmic, etc. currently on pump gas.

Just wondering what numbers you guys would expect out of the VF and e85? Obviously it's not going to make crazy power, but would 325-350awhp be out of the question with peak boost between 2.5-3.5k? Also, how does water / meth normally compare to ethanol? Are there benefits to one over the other?

I've tried researching this stuff, but a lot of the information consists of misconceptions, misinformation, and people who generally don't know what they're talking about.
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Old 02-20-2013, 08:16 PM   #7000
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325whp, yes
3k spool, yes
e85 > meth, you dont have to worry about uneven cylinder distribution or meth system failure. and e85 provides better cooling, power, lower egts, and knock protection than a single nozzle of meth. and meth runs out super fast on small turbos since you are into the meth activation point with barely any throttle input.
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