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Old 05-28-2013, 06:58 PM   #7326
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unless you're talking about the R-199-C.

R-199-C Hot street performance cams for AVCS STi, high HP turbo, ported heads, built engine. Slight cylinder head clearancing is required. Suits 450-600+ hp range engines. KVS109-STI 272 268 232 228 11.30mm 10.50mm 130 113
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Old 05-28-2013, 07:00 PM   #7327
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thanks, i was asking because a set of five-0 1600s came up for less than the price of one id2000
That's probably for a good reason!
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Old 05-28-2013, 07:01 PM   #7328
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thanks, i was asking because a set of five-0 1600s came up for less than the price of one id2000
Youre welcome. Youd be doing the same.
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Old 05-28-2013, 07:06 PM   #7329
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unless you're talking about the R-199-C.

R-199-C Hot street performance cams for AVCS STi, high HP turbo, ported heads, built engine. Slight cylinder head clearancing is required. Suits 450-600+ hp range engines. KVS109-STI 272 268 232 228 11.30mm 10.50mm 130 113
sorry i missed the R but hmm from where i was looking it says


272/268 duration, 11.30mm/10.50mm Lift. Racing camshafts to suit well optimised competition engines in the 500-700hp range. Best used with larger volume intake manifold and suits up to 30lb boost and 8000 RPM with our recommended valve spring

http://www.camshaftshop.com/products...tid=1035#specs

either way yours says 600+ which is in the neighborhood im looking to be in.
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Old 05-28-2013, 07:10 PM   #7330
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Yeah, the R-199-C is actually good for more than what I quoted off the http://kelfordcams.com/application.aspx website.

Really, you can make well over 700 hp on stock cams. It just takes a whackton of boost and racing gas combined with every bolt on being targeted for the exact power band you're trying to produce.

But the R makes a big difference. Since you don't have your car in your info on the left there, I didn't know what kind of car you have. So I couldn't assume an R-199-C.
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Old 05-28-2013, 07:23 PM   #7331
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nice. im just worried about fuel right now. the machine shop has been taking forever and in the mean time i decided i better go sleeves and o-rings on at least one motor so ill have to wait a little longer.

my friend has nearly the exact same motor im getting but with cobb b25 heads (mine are d25), gsc s1 cams and a 6265. he made just shy of 600 on either vp110 or sunnoco 100. either way he regrets not doing 2000cc injectors and e85 and i dont want any regrets on this build.
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Old 05-28-2013, 08:16 PM   #7332
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I have a 6266, ported (by Fuji K of NF) D25 heads, and stock cams. I'm making a little shy of 600WHP at around 30psi (Dynojet numbers). The power is nice, but I do wish I had something like 272 (ie. GSC S2) cams for a little more top end.

Also, I have the Five O 1600cc injectors. They are handling my power on E85 fine but my base pressure is around 55psi and the IDC's are still getting fairly high. Any chance there are any good 2000cc injectors that have the same connector? If I have to splice new ones on I will probably just stick with these, but if some are plug and play then maybe I'd switch.
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Old 05-28-2013, 10:22 PM   #7333
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ID2000's will plug right in. You can get a PnP harness for just about any setup now.
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Old 05-28-2013, 10:25 PM   #7334
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ID2000's will plug right in. You can get a PnP harness for just about any setup now.
Plug right into my FiveO 1600cc connectors? Or into the OEM connectors? Because if I have to put the OEM connectors back on I'll just stay with what I have now.
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Old 05-28-2013, 10:36 PM   #7335
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OEM, I don't know what the 1600 FiveO uses. You can get a PnP harness for whatever you have. I always use PnP for less hassle and lessening the likely hood of screwing something up. I got some PnP harnesses from Treadstone for my S2000 which will use WRX dark blue injectors for E85.


How much pump do you have?
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Old 05-28-2013, 10:39 PM   #7336
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Weird that the FiveO comes with a splice on pigtail. Kind of a bummer that I soldered those all on if I'm going to have to go back.

I have a single Walbro 465 in tank. I believe it should run out close to when the 1600's would run out, so going to 2000's right now probably won't help.
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Old 05-29-2013, 01:04 PM   #7337
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My fiveO 2200cc injectors are plug and play
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Old 05-29-2013, 05:44 PM   #7338
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My fiveO 2200cc injectors are plug and play
They are probably the same exact injector ID uses as well.
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Old 06-03-2013, 06:48 PM   #7339
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Got home a little bit ago and I tried to do three pulls and all of which ended with sputtering/misfires. So I am racking my head on what could be wrong. Well I filled up this morning and just tested the E85 and its f****** E50. I guess this explains it. Does anyone have a similar story or know of where under boost it almost seems like rich misfires from low ethanol content.
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Old 06-03-2013, 07:07 PM   #7340
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Damn! That sucks big time!!

If it's a new station for me that I have not used but suspect it, I test it. I just keep a 1 liter graduated Nalgene in the car and a 1/2 liter nalgene with water so I can test quickly. 400ml of E85 from the pump and 100ml of water. It takes just a couple of minutes and gives you pretty good resolution.

I don't always test it with stations I frequent. I've been going with my gut on that.
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Old 06-03-2013, 07:24 PM   #7341
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Link / ViPEC ethanol sensor hook up FTW evil:

Sorry Allan. .. had to
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Old 06-03-2013, 07:30 PM   #7342
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Crazy thing is I filled up there Saturday morning. I have been trying to call there and speak with someone to see if they got a shipment Saturday afternoon or Sunday. And if that's what happened let them know its junk
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Old 06-03-2013, 08:58 PM   #7343
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Sorry Allan. .. had to
LOL, nice Levon! We don't all have Vipec's or Link's. Good for you though. Does that automatically adjust the fuel trims, boost and timing accordingly once you have it set up with pump and E85 tunes?

I'll bet the day that Cobb has the ethanol sensor flex fuel thing figured out is not that far down the road.

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Crazy thing is I filled up there Saturday morning. I have been trying to call there and speak with someone to see if they got a shipment Saturday afternoon or Sunday. And if that's what happened let them know its junk
I can't remember where I read it, maybe off that Paul Yaw article about the grading of E85 and that it can be upto 55% ethanol or something there about. I know the winter blend goes to E70. I don't drive my XTI in the winter but I did drive it a bunch this January and Feb. when the roads where dry and at the Meijer stations I get it at it never tested below 82% and mostly higher up to 87%.

So what are you doing with that gas? Can you flash in a pump gas map and add some 93 or do you have to drain it out.

I go back and forth on fuel a bit, not a lot of switching but I like to run pump gas when I'm traveling farther with my car. My practice in switching fuels is:

I don't drain the tank completely, it's not great on the pump to do that. I run it down low <2 gallons (when the light comes on I have roughly 3 gallons) and re-fill with the new fuel.

If it's switching from pump to E85 I let it run for a while on the pump tune after filling with E85 before re-flashing the E85 map in to make sure I flushed all the pump gas out of the lines and I stay out of WOT for a while after the re-flash.

When going from E85 to pump, I just re-flash the pump map in after fueling and go but stay out of WOT for a bit to make sure the lines are full of pump gas before going WOT and targeted boost!
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Old 06-03-2013, 10:15 PM   #7344
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I had to get my stab in while I could. The advantages of the OEM computer are nice because everything still works.

I can set it up to do that, but Junior suggested to just use it as a safety rather than rely on it. I was playing with it yesterday , you can feather in fuel and timing based on ethanol content and load. Just playing around I left 0-12% ethanol at 0% adder on fuel and then 2% more fuel for every 5% of ethanol added. Once I got to 80% I jumped to 30% and left it at till 90%.

For those that don't know, Jr is my finer not me... I have no intentions of running my car like this, just making sure it works. Can feather in timing too, though it goes really gradual when you only go up .15 for every 5% of ethanol.

The one thing I don't know, so some help would be appreciated, is can you add timing across the board also? Like 2 everywhere? Or is that just at peak torque and/or redline? If so, doesn't even need to be load based (kPa) just ethanol based.

Boost / WGDC is a piece of cake. I can do that and feel confident about it. .
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Old 06-04-2013, 07:37 AM   #7345
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I want to see that!!!!
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Old 06-04-2013, 08:16 AM   #7346
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I want to see that!!!!
One of these days I'll get my damn car into Grand Rapids!!
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:58 AM   #7347
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Got home a little bit ago and I tried to do three pulls and all of which ended with sputtering/misfires. So I am racking my head on what could be wrong. Well I filled up this morning and just tested the E85 and its f****** E50. I guess this explains it. Does anyone have a similar story or know of where under boost it almost seems like rich misfires from low ethanol content.
I've had one guy see blends in northern Nebraska that were less than 70% but it wasn't enough to for it to go too rich to the point of power loss. He was just half a point rich until he filled up with a correct blend.

If it fits your budget, one of these gives you some nice piece of mind and saves you from having to test all the time:

http://www.zeitronix.com/Products/ECA/ECA.shtml

I run of their ECA gauges hooked to a GM Ethanol content sensor and it works really well. It seems accurate to within .5 to 1%.


I'm very much looking forward to the point that someone completes a flex fuel patch for the stock ECU.
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Damn the new kits look good and that's alot easier than searching in yards for FF sensors
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Damn the new kits look good and that's alot easier than searching in yards for FF sensors
Exactly. I wish they had this when I originally did my setup a year ago.

I need to sell my GM sensor and pick up one of these compact guys.
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Old 06-04-2013, 12:25 PM   #7350
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Wow, that sensor does look nice.
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