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Old 03-29-2009, 06:49 PM   #1
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Default Got a speeding ticket, couple questions

Fortunately, the SRT that I was racing and I had finished reentry and we had gotten below mach 5 before getting lazed by the po (wasn't racing, just a normal speeding ticket on the 101).

1) If I fight the ticket and lose, can I still take traffic school?

2) In looking for ways to get out of the ticket entirely, does how the ticket was written matter? For exxample, there is a space for my VIN number and the officer just scawled 4 of the 16 digits (rather than the entire VIN). Also, for the court, he wrote "Arrowhead JP" rather than fully spelling it out. Are these ways to get out of the ticket?

Last but not least, before I get the "you got caught, stop trying to get out of it." I am ok with using the measure of the law for my behalf as much as it is being used against me.
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Old 03-29-2009, 06:59 PM   #2
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1. . . no you cant

2. . . no that doesnt matter.

street racing is bad. dont do it.
and dont race srt4's

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Old 03-29-2009, 07:05 PM   #3
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Usually, my advice it to fight EVERY ticket you get. Not necessarily to get out of it entirely, but to reduce the penalties. However, pointing out mistakes on the ticket will not get you anywhere in all likelihood. Don't make anything easy for them. In a lot of these cases, (maybe not yours, but a lot) the officers/court count on the fact that most people will just pay it and move on. Make them work for that ticket and maybe in the future they will think twice about writing a chicken **** ticket. And before everyone in NASIOC jumps on my case for saying this, yes I am disgruntled and I have been screwed over in the past with BS tickets. I've had police blatantly lie, yes straight up lie, about a ticket just because of their ego. After that I vowed to make every ticket as difficult as possible.

I thought the rule was (at least in Tucson) that fighting it did in fact waive your right to go to traffic school, but if you do lose, a lot of the time you can ask the judge to get that right reinstated and just go to traffic school anyway.

How bad did he get you?
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Old 03-29-2009, 07:05 PM   #4
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i think he was kidding about racing an srt4
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Old 03-29-2009, 07:33 PM   #5
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its not even worth fighting at the arrowhead justice court. been there twice now for the same ticket, and NO one ever got off on any tickets.....even the girl who showed proof of insurance (a wtf moment).

like noted above

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atleast there are not court fees at AJC but be prepared to get ****ed by the long dong of the law
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Old 03-29-2009, 08:32 PM   #6
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if AJC has a similar tolerance like PHX court, you can attempt to plea bargain to a civil misdemenor and go to traffic school. I am pretty sure you are entitled to 2 classes per year. What ARS citations were given? if it was the 28-708, its a class 2 criminal misdimenor and would suggest a lawyer after arreignment.
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Old 03-29-2009, 08:33 PM   #7
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Old 03-29-2009, 09:26 PM   #9
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Old 03-29-2009, 09:44 PM   #10
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Old 03-29-2009, 10:08 PM   #11
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Yeah, I always wonder if police officers find these threads funny. What is your take on this?

Honest question here (and I mean no offense): Have you ever known an officer to lie to save face for giving out a bogus ticket?
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Old 03-29-2009, 11:25 PM   #12
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Seriously, peeple need to lern to reed good. For the record, it was just a normal speeding ticket. I was not racing. I was not going 20 over. The protective tiles under the car did not come off thus causing me to explode during orbital re-entry. Just a normal, run-of-the-mill speeding ticket.
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Old 03-29-2009, 11:54 PM   #13
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Seriously, peeple need to lern to reed good. For the record, it was just a normal speeding ticket. I was not racing. I was not going 20 over. The protective tiles under the car did not come off thus causing me to explode during orbital re-entry. Just a normal, run-of-the-mill speeding ticket.
Dude thank god . . . i got quoted like 400roses to reinstall heat tiles on my undercarriage lol
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Old 03-30-2009, 02:42 AM   #14
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Yeah, I always wonder if police officers find these threads funny. What is your take on this?

Honest question here (and I mean no offense): Have you ever known an officer to lie to save face for giving out a bogus ticket?
Has it happened before...no doubt. Is it as prevelant as people make it out to be.... Hell no. Lying in court is about the easiest way to get fired. Not many people are willing to risk a 60k plus a year job with a solid investment option and a pension, to screw over some guy they only met for 10 minutes a month ago. 9 times out of 10 they wouldnt even remember you outside of court. I run into people Ive arrested all the time and dont recognize them at first. I remember most of my cases by the details of he offense and not necessarily the people involved.

People have this absurd idea that cops get pissed when we lose in court. If its a murder or a child rapist then yes it does suck, but traffic tickets are nothing. Hell, Ive only once had a domestic violence victim show up to court, and those cases take a hell of a lot more of my time and effort than a traffic offense. Thats part of the job.

Hell most of the time I get paid over time to go to court. If its during my shift, it gets me off the streets for a while. Id rather be in court then directing traffic for 3 hours in the sun at some fatal accident or a house fire.

Ive known officers to give out chicken **** tickets. Some of them like to do traffic. Some like to go to court. Some might just be having a bad day and you pissed them off.
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Or maybe some guys don't like WRB!
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Seriously, peeple need to lern to reed good. For the record, it was just a normal speeding ticket. I was not racing. I was not going 20 over. The protective tiles under the car did not come off thus causing me to explode during orbital re-entry. Just a normal, run-of-the-mill speeding ticket.
sorry. i retract my previous statement.
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Old 03-30-2009, 12:49 PM   #17
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When I lived in Az, I fought two tickets , one in N scottsdale, and one by the MC sheriff around carefree Hwy and Cave creek road. One was a scottsdale court and one was Phx downtown. They were both kangaroo courts and not worth your time ( unless you can't go to school and you want to fight for that) I spent tons of hours on research and request radar records and all kinda of legal things.. doesn't matter. at least in AZ, it's not a real trail there, it's a production chain for getting money from you.
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Has it happened before...no doubt. Is it as prevelant as people make it out to be.... Hell no. Lying in court is about the easiest way to get fired. Not many people are willing to risk a 60k plus a year job with a solid investment option and a pension, to screw over some guy they only met for 10 minutes a month ago. 9 times out of 10 they wouldnt even remember you outside of court. I run into people Ive arrested all the time and dont recognize them at first. I remember most of my cases by the details of he offense and not necessarily the people involved.

People have this absurd idea that cops get pissed when we lose in court. If its a murder or a child rapist then yes it does suck, but traffic tickets are nothing. Hell, Ive only once had a domestic violence victim show up to court, and those cases take a hell of a lot more of my time and effort than a traffic offense. Thats part of the job.
Interesting... However, I don't think you should underestimate to power of the human ego. The senior engineers I work with make well over 60K a year (think 100K+), they have benefits including pension, but I've still seen several intances of someone telling a lie or not admiting fault because their ego prevents them from doing so. Their jobs are on the line every bit as much as an officer's would be, but this doesn't seem to slow them down. I'm just trying to illustrate the point that there are many people out there with severe character flaws and many people who despite what the repercussions might be have a hard time admiting when they are in the wrong. Many people don't weight the penalties at the time as they should.

And, we had a family friend who was a police officer that worked the 3rd shift. He told us once that several guys he worked with would intentionally write tickets for minor offenses that they might have otherwise overlooked because they knew a certain percentage of these tickets would go to court and that spelled overtime. He also said that they would pull someone over for DUI and if that didn't turn out to be the case, they'd find something else to justify a ticket so that their time wasn't "wasted" at the stop. Corrupt maybe, but then again, if we didn't pay overtime, maybe officers would be less inclined to write tickets when they should. I don't know, its a tricky situation. All I know is I've been screwed one too many times and I'm now inherantly suspicious.

And C-grunt, I'm not targeting you, or taking away from what you do, I really do appreciate law enforcement officers. From the little I talked with you at the Canyon Lake run, you seem like a stand-up guy. Like I mentioned, I've experienced some things that make me fairly pessimistic when it comes to these things.
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Interesting... However, I don't think you should underestimate to power of the human ego. The senior engineers I work with make well over 60K a year (think 100K+), they have benefits including pension, but I've still seen several intances of someone telling a lie or not admiting fault because their ego prevents them from doing so. Their jobs are on the line every bit as much as an officer's would be, but this doesn't seem to slow them down. I'm just trying to illustrate the point that there are many people out there with severe character flaws and many people who despite what the repercussions might be have a hard time admiting when they are in the wrong. Many people don't weight the penalties at the time as they should.

And, we had a family friend who was a police officer that worked the 3rd shift. He told us once that several guys he worked with would intentionally write tickets for minor offenses that they might have otherwise overlooked because they knew a certain percentage of these tickets would go to court and that spelled overtime. He also said that they would pull someone over for DUI and if that didn't turn out to be the case, they'd find something else to justify a ticket so that their time wasn't "wasted" at the stop. Corrupt maybe, but then again, if we didn't pay overtime, maybe officers would be less inclined to write tickets when they should. I don't know, its a tricky situation. All I know is I've been screwed one too many times and I'm now inherantly suspicious.

And C-grunt, I'm not targeting you, or taking away from what you do, I really do appreciate law enforcement officers. From the little I talked with you at the Canyon Lake run, you seem like a stand-up guy. Like I mentioned, I've experienced some things that make me fairly pessimistic when it comes to these things.
I didn't know you could be so eloquent!
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He told us once that several guys he worked with would intentionally write tickets for minor offenses that they might have otherwise overlooked...
Key point there is that there was still an offense that the officer could write... Regardless of if they would overlook it or not. For instance, a cop pulls over someone who thinks they are DWI and find out that they arent, but the cop notices illegal tint. The cop gives the person a tint ticket instead of a DUI because the person wasnt drunk. Im not sure about you, but the Tint ticket is just as justified as the DUI since both would be illegal...

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Key point there is that there was still an offense that the officer could write... Regardless of if they would overlook it or not. For instance, a cop pulls over someone who thinks they are DWI and find out that they arent, but the cop notices illegal tint. The cop gives the person a tint ticket instead of a DUI because the person wasnt drunk. Im not sure about you, but the Tint ticket is just as justified as the DUI since both would be illegal...

(shrug)

I agree with you to an extent, the officer is completely justified, however, ask any (well most) officers and they will tell you that they want to have a good relationship with the public. Most officers will tell you that they feel the public doesn't have enough respect for what they do. Pulling someone over for one reason, especially something as serious as DUI and then slaping them with some sort of consolation prize like illegal tint or failure to use turn signal does nothing to help public relations. All that move does is foster a group/generation of people who despise/disrespect law enforcement and what they do. In the end you get a whole population of people who refer to police as "pigs" and avoid cooperation with them at all costs. I try to avoid this type of degrading language personally, but you do see it everywhere on these boards and in day to day life. This is how a LARGE portion of the population, especially the younger generation, feels.

With the amount of DUI's on the road these days, the officer should shake your hand for not being drunk. In my case, after I was identified as not drunk and infact I made it clear I was the designated driver with zero alcohol in my system, I was still hit with a chicken-s ticket for something else entirely. Bummer. It's not fun to do the right thing and still be beat down for it. In my case, the officer was probably justified as he would be in your example, but does common sense say it was the "right" thing to do. In my opinion no, but then again, what do I know about these things. I just call it as I see it.

I listen to the stories from my father, uncle, grandfather, etc. and they all seem to describe the police of their generation as a group who exibited common sense in the law they enforced. You chirped your tires taking off from a light? That was wrong so they pulled you over an warned you, maybe gave you a lecture and sent you on your way. Now, you'd get an exhibition of speed ticket good for 8 points, $2500 in fines and a criminal misdemeanor charge if convicted. And the law says they are justified in doing this. Maybe our society is becoming hyper sensative to a variety of things and this is being reflected in the way our law enforcement enforces the laws. Again, I dunno, but that's my theory.

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dadadada pigs dadadadadada.
only cops that abuse their authority are pigs. if im talking about the cop that wrote me a speeding ticket when i had physical proof that i wasnt speeding, i say you know what that ****in pig just did?! but when i meet normal cops like at work and such, i usually thank them for the fact that my house didnt get robbed last night. the thing is that history glosses over a lot of the ******** eventually. back then there were cops that abused their authority just like today. but after so many years, we remember the cops that protected the innocent and beat up those god damn hippies.



EDIT: dont take offence that i cut your post to a bunch of dadadada. it was just long.
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http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1728973

here's a relevant thread to this in OT.

c-grunt im actually curious what you thin about the cop in it.
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