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Old 04-14-2002, 10:16 PM   #1
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Question Which header to buy...

I'm sure this has been rehashed a million times, but with the search disabled, I wasn't able to find what I was looking for after scrolling through 10 pages of posts.

So I'm thinking about getting some headers in the next couple months. I know there's Borla, Brullen, MRT and some other options. The information I'm looking for is:

1) overall quality, sound, and performance review

2) what does it come with (cat, no cat, etc)

3) availability (from where)

4) how much money
Right now I'm particularly interested in information about the MRT system.

Honestly, a post of this sort should be made into a sticky for this forum, along with one for intakes and one for exhausts. Particularly with the search function disabled.

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Old 04-15-2002, 03:17 AM   #2
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I've heard that Cobb Tuning is designing headers for the EJ25, so you might want to wait a couple months and see.

Rumors say it will be equal length, with a high-flow cat built into the design, so it doesn't use the weird stock bends. Probably gonna be heat treated (ceramic or maybe jet-hot coated) too.

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Old 04-15-2002, 09:37 AM   #3
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MRT Exhaust

Shows very favorable power increases throughout the rev band on the dyno.

Anodized and coated with black paint keeps the mild steel from rusting.

$560 from Langston Subaru
parts@langstonsubaru.com



Comes in single and dual tip fashion.
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Old 04-15-2002, 02:24 PM   #4
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Ah, so that's the MRT system. Eh, too bad I already have a Rallispec exhaust, otherwise that would be a great option.

Would it hurt to have the MRT header connected to my current system? Note that I wouldn't have a flex pipe anywhere if I hooked up the MRT header.
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Old 04-15-2002, 02:33 PM   #5
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You can buy the MRT...just the first two sections, without the can. However there are some issues with getting your can to hook up to that midpipe.

On Wed I am going to a muffler shop to have my Borla can hooked up to the MRT system...I'll let you peeps know how that goes.

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Old 04-15-2002, 02:46 PM   #6
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two words...

Borla headers

two more words...

brullen exhaust
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Old 04-15-2002, 02:54 PM   #7
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I am still pleased with the Brullen header setup. A quick search
through I-club will net you a good amount of infromation. The
basics are

- ceramic coated, stainless, equal length header
- stainless high-flow cat

Will hookup to mid at the stock location but requires a permanent
mod to your existing mid pipe to weld on a new adaptor to fit the
outlet of the cat.

Available through Brullen dealers like Ion Performance or
imprezars.com.

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Old 04-15-2002, 03:01 PM   #8
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Stu,

How much did you pay for your Brullen header? Did you notice a good increase in power?

Thanks
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Old 04-15-2002, 03:33 PM   #9
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For you guys with headers, those with a cat particularly, any CELs being tripped?

Where does the Brullen and MRT have their cat placed?
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Old 04-15-2002, 03:41 PM   #10
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Quote:
Originally posted by Layman
Stu,

How much did you pay for your Brullen header? Did you notice a good increase in power?

Thanks
I got mine on the "introductory price" offer. IIRC it was about
$1K Cdn. Reseller prices will be more.

I've only got butt dyno results and a couple of G-tech runs that
say there is a definite but unquantifiable amount of increase. My
car is setup about the same as the Brullen test subject and I
think they got about 14 on the G-Tech. Search for user JoeT and
the original Brullen header posts for their numbers.


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Old 04-15-2002, 03:46 PM   #11
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Quote:
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For you guys with headers, those with a cat particularly, any CELs being tripped?

Where does the Brullen and MRT have their cat placed?
The Brullen has the cat in the stock 2nd cat location. The MRT
"looks" to be about the same thing.

I've had some CEL issues, but i've also had a bad front A/F
sensor to help things along. I've replaced the A/F sensor and
so far so good (550+ kms). I'd have to say that my experience is
inconclusive on CELs. The issue seems to be mid-yr MY00s and
newer when Subaru tightened up the readings. Older cars do
not seem to have the issue. Looking through the Toronto club
website, I know that they are still working on it so there is hope
yet that it'll go away.


Cheers...Stu
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Old 04-15-2002, 04:15 PM   #12
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Looking at these two designs...





It would seem to me that the MRT design would be superior. Notice the lack of bends...a nice straight design on the MRT.

There have been dyno numbers posted for both in the past...but I can't remember each headers results.

But the two compared to each other...

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Old 04-15-2002, 04:31 PM   #13
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Right now I have a first generation Borla header on my car...stock cats...custom midpipe and Borla can.

This Wed I'll be installing an MRT header, cat and midpipe...with my Borla can.

I'll let you know what the differences are.

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Old 04-15-2002, 08:40 PM   #14
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Those MRT's look like a great design...too bad they only come in painted mild steel

Any new word on the Cobb header/cat combo?? Theirs sounds like it is going to be the deal.
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Thanks for all the great information.

Regarding MRTs use of mild steel, I'm not too concerned. I had a mild steel RS*R exhaust on my last car for about 3 years without a hint of rust. If that's any indication, the headers should hold up.
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Old 04-16-2002, 02:05 AM   #16
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Actually, I just got my MRT header and the first section of it is ceramic coated...but the rest of it is painted.

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Very pleased with the Brullen, both for performance and service... I would highly recommend them.
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Quote:
Originally posted by SubaruStu

Will hookup to mid at the stock location but requires a permanent
mod to your existing mid pipe to weld on a new adaptor to fit the
outlet of the cat.
Stu
I presume it needs no modification to connect to a brullen midpipe?
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Old 04-16-2002, 08:01 AM   #19
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Quote:
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I presume it needs no modification to connect to a brullen midpipe?
I am pretty certain that is correct if for a new mid-pipe. If you
already have a Brullen cat-back, then it is the same as any other
mid pipe, and has to be mod'd.

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Brullen is good stuff, I hear, but if you can wait... go for the Cobb.
Just because of their engineering expertise, it's enough to make a person happy and secure in their purchase.

The only thing that bothers me a wee bit is that their exhausts are Stromung, I think, and I don't hear good things about Stromung.

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dcrawford - This was my exact idea. I so loved the sound of the Borla exhaust that I wanted to use the MRT all the way back to muffler then weld a Borla muffler on. Is this what your doing or do you have a Borla Axle Back? Also which muffler are you using? I was planning on the Whaletail. Please Please Please take a sound bite recording and post it along with pictures. I am two weeks away from ordering my MRT set and I need to know if welding the Borla muffler on is worth it.

Thanks
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Old 04-16-2002, 03:23 PM   #22
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That's exactly what I am going to do...Borla can, axle back...using the MRT header and midpipe. I'm not sure which Borla can I have...looking it up now...

Looks like I have the whaletail...big tip, large can...

Slide has an MRT exhaust on his car...but I just don't like the sound (not like my full Borla setup) so that prompted me to just order the MRT without it's can...I'll try to record a soundbite (I don't have anything to record it with)

Tomorrow it goes on...hopefully!

Just to clarify...
Current:
Borla header - stock cats - custom midpipe (no resonator) - Borla can

To do:
MRT header (with high flow cat attached) - MRT midpipe (no resonator) - Borla can

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Whats up ,
I have had a NON SS cat Sback Stroming Exhaust on my ride and the fit and sound is the best than i have seen on any other subarus. GO tih the stomiung or brullen duall tip!!
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Old 04-17-2002, 01:48 AM   #24
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I have a cat back NON STainless and i have been very pleased. It lookf very good, sounds awesome, and fits like the stock perfectky! The dual tip looks the best with these GC8's/


I want to see for the COBB header and the whole story with revolutions header?

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Buy the MRT setup, and sell your old exaust.

The MRT headers are honestly the best I've enver seen for the car. I'd rather it be a 4-1, but the 4-2-1 likely better for most people.
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