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Old 04-05-2009, 02:51 AM   #1
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any suggestion on which one i should get?
or what i should look for?
i have no clue on which one i should get or where to start looking.
i travel alot more on highways and main roads and i figured that i might encounter more cops with laser now...so im thinking about buying one

any comments will help! thanks!
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Old 04-05-2009, 02:56 AM   #2
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I researched this a few years back, hope it still holds true:

A strong discernment of KA vs. K band and of course refractory Laser band detection (ie. someone else gets lasered and you get alerted of this a few 100m back).

The best reviewed units are:

Generation 2 Valentine One
Passport 8500 or newer
Bell STI

Your eyes and common sense are still the best detector, as well as having douche bags drive ahead of you and brake hard at the sign of popo works too.
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Old 04-05-2009, 03:18 AM   #3
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i have one, and its next to useless these days... worked well a few years ago before all the laser stuff, most cops use laser now, and your ****ed with that...

honestly, best best it to just drive smart

but if u must get one.. x50 or v1 are known to be great, but they both have problems....

the x50 gives lots of false laser alerts over time, the sensor somehow gets messed up... and the v1 is very sensitive to heat, a few degrees change effects the sensors a fair bit, sooo yea

i have the x50 and it works great, but lots of false laser alerts, common problem after a couple years
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Old 04-05-2009, 04:50 AM   #4
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bell sti ftw
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Old 04-05-2009, 06:41 AM   #5
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Valentine One / end thread.

https://store.valentine1.com/store/

Edit: Btw, if you're caught with laser, it's too late. If the radar catches beams coming off cars in front of you then it might save you and give you time to slow down.
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Old 04-05-2009, 07:59 PM   #6
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Just drive smart - popos don't like seeing radar detectors and treat you like you're a speed demon all the time when they see it
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Old 04-05-2009, 08:44 PM   #7
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whats the diff between generation 1 and 2 Valintine One?
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Old 04-05-2009, 10:11 PM   #8
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My boss has a Passport SR7 in his audi he didn't get a ticket since 04 .
Cool thing is it's also hidden not like stick it to the windshield type .
All nicely hidden above the sun visor . It's a bit pricey though .
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Old 04-05-2009, 11:10 PM   #9
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I have the Bell RX65 it's a great unit and has saved me several times. I have even had police tell me they caught me speeding and I asked them what speed was I going etc. Knowing they never clocked me and they just let you off with a warning.

The Bell STi is a great model too, The V1 is good but in BC almost always they use Ka and the Bell has one of the best distance's on that band with.

Oh ya the New Bell GX65 has a built in GPS that is preprogramed where red light cameras are and you can program store door sensors in your area so you don't get false alarms. Because it is annoying to have the radar going off from stuff like that, when you know it isn't a speed trap.

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Old 04-06-2009, 12:21 AM   #10
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any suggestion on which one i should get?
or what i should look for?
i have no clue on which one i should get or where to start looking.
i travel alot more on highways and main roads and i figured that i might encounter more cops with laser now...so im thinking about buying one

any comments will help! thanks!
dont drive like those douche bags vince
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Old 04-06-2009, 12:57 AM   #11
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I have both a Valentine 1 and an Escort 9500i.
Out of the two i prefer the Escort because you can block out false alarms using gps.
The nice thing about the Valentine is that it has arrows which i find extremely useful.
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Old 04-06-2009, 09:43 AM   #12
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Any of the top-dogs will do, if you can stomach the initial-cost investment.

The V1 and the 9500i/ix, in the real-world, practically perform just as well as each other, and you should let your unique end-user preferences be your guide as to which one you purchase, as the pros and cons of each unit may mesh better/worse with your individual end-preferences.

If you need Spectre RDD shielding, your only option, in terms of an in-vehicle, stand-alone detector would be the Beltronics STi-Driver.

For a quick summary, look at this one, that I wrote recently for a member on the SpeedTrapHunter.net Forums:

http://www.speedtraphunter.net/3169-post3.html

There are plenty of "second-tier" units that will work just as well, in the real-world, as these top-dogs, but none will offer the RDD shielding that the STi-Driver will. Until you return to say that you either don't want to spend that much money on a detector or that you don't require Spectre-immunity, I won't further confuse the issue by adding-in these possible suggestions.

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A word on LIDAR (LASER).

Although the V1 would best protect you against this threat (it's the only in-vehicle, stand-alone detector that utilizes a true optical collimator over the receiver, and the only one that has a true rear LASER receiver), IMveryHO, you cannot "count on" any in-vehicle stand-alone detector for this type of protection - the only true protection would be a proper active LIDAR jammer or, if that's not doable by you due to either legal concerns or your own moral/ethical code, then to use as many passive considerations as possible.
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Old 04-06-2009, 02:13 PM   #13
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My boss has a Passport SR7 in his audi he didn't get a ticket since 04 .
Cool thing is it's also hidden not like stick it to the windshield type .
All nicely hidden above the sun visor . It's a bit pricey though .
I haven't got a ticket since 2001. I don't know if I want to share my secret here though...hrmm.
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Old 04-06-2009, 02:27 PM   #14
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^ Thanks for bringing that one back up - I totally forgot to address that........

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My boss has a Passport SR7 in his audi he didn't get a ticket since 04 .
Cool thing is it's also hidden not like stick it to the windshield type .
All nicely hidden above the sun visor . It's a bit pricey though .
The SR-series is now second-tier, and have been supplanted by the 9500ci (and its sister, the Bel STi-R).

The SR-series still offers tremendous sensitivity, however, and can be said to also be a "top-dog," but is, again, in its special division, due to the precise fact that it is a "sole vehicle" setup device, and cannot be easily transplanted ( no matter how talented the customized install ) between vehicles.

The remote display for both the SR-series as well as the 9500ci/Bel STi-R can easily be integrated into any number of vehicle interior locations.

But honestly, if I were given the option, I'd source the SR-series as a used/second-hand item, instead of buying it new - I just don't see the value of its price-tag, which excludes either a professional installation or your valuable time in performing the install, yourself. Since the STi-R is priced within stone's throw, I'd go that route, instead - or just save up the extra cash for the 9500ci.
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Old 04-06-2009, 02:29 PM   #15
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The 9500IX is said to be the best out right now.

There is a group buy of sorts on WSC
$545 each
http://westernsubaruclub.com/smf/ind...topic=6500.165
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Old 04-06-2009, 02:52 PM   #16
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There are plenty of "second-tier" units that will work just as well, in the real-world, as these top-dogs, but none will offer the RDD shielding that the STi-Driver will.
ah yes, the STi Driver.
I lust over that unit, along with a few other toys to supplement.


Really though, the top end units aren't necessary for our police. Most officers with radar around here use a simple KA band. This includes the CVSE (commercial vehicle) trucks that roll around too, as they're peace officers and can give you a ticket.

The integrated traffic guys have all the toys. KA band - instant on, and in the lead car, the unbeatable Laser. Now consider that this is maybe 1% of their cars that has this high end technology.

My x50 works like a charm, if not for the odd false readings. I run it on the most sensitive settings though, and it gives ample warning on my drive. I'll step up to an STi driver one day though.


Good thread.
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Old 04-06-2009, 05:08 PM   #17
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The 9500IX is said to be the best out right now.
^ Said to be best by whom?

SML? John Turner? Craig Peterson/RadarTests.com?

They may look good to the general lay public, with their fancy presentation of "data," but check on any true speed-detection countermeasure hobbyist/enthusiast Forum, and you'll quickly learn of the industry ties that bind these supposedly unbiased sources, and why they are so eager to lavish praise on any new product by Escort/Bel.

To-date, of the known data, on-average (sampled over a number of units, see the unique-unit variability that I cite, below)) the V1 still exceeds the raw sensitivity of the 9500ix by a noticeable margin.

All of the truly independent reports, such as those by the Guys of LIDAR as well as independent laboratory testing, all have the V1 easily having a margin, overall, above the current top-offerings (in stand-alone, in-vehicle configuration) from Escort.

Also, to-date, Escort/Bel units remain blind to the "quick-trigger" technique, and furthermore, are blind to all but one type of POP.

LIDAR sensitivity also lags behind the V1 by a not insignificant margin (as the V1 is the only one that utilizes a true optical collimator and "light-funnel") - and none of the Escort/Bel stand-alone, in-vehicle detectors offer a true rear LIDAR sensor (it's just a "light pipe" that conducts light to the main, sole, front LIDAR receiver).

And let's not forget that the V1 is the only unit with a rear RADAR antenna. All other detectors, to-date, depend on ambient signal reflections to detect what's "rear" of the car.

But all of that aside: given the INDIVIDUAL/UNIQUE-unit variability - production variability that can, literally, make "your" V1 versus "my" V1 versus "his" V1 see not-insignificant and real-world noticeable difference in performance of not only certain bands, but even moreso the specific frequencies used within each band (i.e. 35.5 versus 34.7 versus 33.8 GHz), of 1, 2, to even 3dB of raw sensitivity, as measured in an actual laboratory (ref: Mike B.'s lab-test) - all of these claims of one unit being superior over another is purely academic, and is, as with so much of cardom, just simple one-upsmanship of "who's dick is bigger."

Given the between-unique-unit production-line variability and the variability of every real-world encounter situation, the only thing that can truly be said is that *any* of the top-dogs will do just as well as another, for 99% of drivers out there (and yes, this include "enthusiasts").

The unique buyer should focus more on his/her usage preferences, rather than any supposed published "rating."

[ And once again, I feel that I need to clarify my stance, here. My screen-name in all of the speed-detection countermeasures hobbyist communities is "TSi+WRX." You can check my posts on just about any of the US as well as many international Forum communities. I've been a devoted Escort product user since 1997. I still own my old S7-antenna, Rev5, 8500x50, and I use that one as a "in-vehicle detector" (when on trips, I usually swap-in my 9500i) in my wife's '09 FXT, for which I've hardwired the SmartCord. Despite being an active hobbyist in this regard, and always having lusted after the V1 simply for its gadget-factor, when it came time to upgrade my x50, I chose to go with the 9500i, and today, it's my chosen detector in my '05 LGT, again hardwired, and also integrated with my ZR3 Laser Shifter, which I've owned since 2003/4. I'm not some "V1 Zombie." I don't worship the V1 to the exclusion of all else. But to claim that it's somehow no longer at the apex of technology? Try again..... ]

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http://westernsubaruclub.com/smf/ind...topic=6500.165
^ I don't know the seller - nor his source for these detectors, but PLEASE make sure that you verify, to your satisfaction, that these units come from an Authorized Reseller. Escort/Bel is *very* strict on their "Unauthorized Reseller" policy, http://www.escortradar.com/unauthorized-list.php and http://www.beltronics.com/unauthorized-resellers.php . There have been two reports, just over the past quarter of '09, when consumers purchased from what they thought were authorized sources - such as OverStock.com , which turned out to be not true, and faced subsequent fallout when their units were damaged or turned out to be defective.

Please check on this one - these detectors are precision instruments that live day-in and day-out in a very harsh usage climate. They not only have a finite life-span, but also, malfunctions are not uncommon. A warranty, as much as purchasing a new car, is a must.
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Old 04-06-2009, 05:11 PM   #18
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Really though, the top end units aren't necessary for our police. Most officers with radar around here use a simple KA band.
Be careful.

Ka-band can be deadly - 35.5 GHz is among the most worrisome, and gives even today's top-flight detectors some headache, when real-world usage limitations come into play.

Go to any speed-detection countermeasures hobbyist/enthusiast community, such as RadarDetector.net - and ask about Ka-band RADAR. You won't get any snickers, trust me.

And the forward-facing and over-the-hill scenarios, combined with how "narrow," physically, the Ka-band beam can be, makes it one of the most deadly formats of enforcement, bar none.

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The integrated traffic guys have all the toys. KA band - instant on, and in the lead car, the unbeatable Laser. Now consider that this is maybe 1% of their cars that has this high end technology.
Actually, Ka-band is more to fear, particularly used in instant-on format - than LASER.

Police LIDAR is far from the invincible and incontestable device that their manufacturers - as well as the enforcement community - portrays them to be. They're neither unbeatable, in a technical manner (i.e. jammers), nor are they without error.

Look at this thread:

http://legacygt.com/forums/showthrea...ighlight=LIDAR

- specifically, these posts:
http://legacygt.com/forums/showpost....1&postcount=90
http://legacygt.com/forums/showpost....7&postcount=97
http://legacygt.com/forums/showpost....&postcount=101

And, if you remain interested, check out my posts on this NASIOC thread, too:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1405323

- specifically, start on page 4, with post #79, my first post there:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...1405323&page=4

....my reply take the form of the subsequent ten or so posts, all the way to post number 89.

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My x50 works like a charm, if not for the odd false readings. I run it on the most sensitive settings though, and it gives ample warning on my drive. I'll step up to an STi driver one day though.
Unless you need the Spectre-invisibility, you don't really need to "step up" to the STi-Driver.

You mentioned, at the top of your post, that the "top dog" units aren't necessary "for your police."

Actually, you can take this a bit further.

Given how good most of today's "second tier" and even "tertiary tier" detectors are, the vast majority of drivers can easily do just as well with these units - the Escort 8500x50 and the Bel RX65 fill the former, and the Bel 955 and Whistler Pro 78 fill the latter.

As of the latest set of GOL tests, even these discriminating individuals have said this, too.

There's no true need for a top-tier unit, today, any more.

Anyone who says so is either a "detector snob" or has a vested interest in selling you something.

In some situations, for some users, yes, spending that much money may be the only way to fulfill certain criteria, but for the vast majority of us, the second/tertiary products can well be good enough, and will provide plenty of real-world ticket-savings performance.
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Old 04-06-2009, 05:25 PM   #19
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Wow LGT+WRX, you have educated the hell out of me.


Amazing how even the police fall under the marketing hype surrounding Lidar, as this was a veteran traffic officer who told me that it's unbeatable. Your over the hill KA scenario rings true here, as anyone who's been pinched on Nordel, or Cambie can attest to.

I'm going to take a closer look at those links when I get some time tomorrow, but thanks for posting them. My x50 was one of the best investments I've made recently, as it's saved me from numerous situations where I could have been fined. After taking a $300 hit in my truck (less than 8mph over the limit ) I needed to take action. Around here, speeding fines are handed out like halloween candy. As for the STi-Driver, IIRC that unit uses GPS to map out false readings? That's a nice option, as there is one spot on my morning commute that is saturated with false K and KA readings. Fancy that, driving home today and there's a KA signal. The crafty officer must have been using the false readings to his advantage.
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Old 04-06-2009, 06:20 PM   #21
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I have an sr7 with shifters.. Simply awesome!
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^
I know a guy with a number of those units mounted in his cars.
S55, F430 and his wife's 645i all have them, and he hasn't been ticketed in years. Added bonus, he drives like an asshat.



A friend of mine had a detector many years ago that had a sensor built in to tell you when police are in the area. Apparently cop cars send out a signal on a specific band, and this detector had the ability to sense it. It would warn him when an officer was close, giving him the chance to bolt.

He was a bit shady at the time...
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Old 04-06-2009, 06:26 PM   #23
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Just drive smart - popos don't like seeing radar detectors and treat you like you're a speed demon all the time when they see it
+1 for this advice.

Cops will single out drivers if they see a radar detector. Ask me how I know this...
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Again why I like the sr7 it's completely hidden. Took me less than an hour to Install and has beat laser numerous times for me. Not that I drive like a jackass but there was one time I was doing 20+ over at 9pm no one on a long straight stretch and it shifted long enough for me to slow down below the limit.
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Laser jammers.... highly illegal haha.
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