I am lost!

rupteur7000 · 04-16-2002, 01:28 PM

that is it! you guys have done it!

i am lost and 100% confused.

i have done abotu 2 hours of search and it seems to me like no one really knows what is going on!

i want to turbocharge my car, i have 2 choices

#1 the ludespeed stage 2

#2 the ludespeed stage 2 with the 4.5psi spring

now my confusion begins, if i run the normal 6.6psi spring, do i really need a engine management upgrade? what about with the 4.5psi? i am not big into racing and it is just because i can and it sounds like something you can build up over the years.
i need serious advice. I don't really drive the car too hard, if i had more power i would probably take it easy as my driving record is kind of long already.

i need to know if i can run one of those 2 setup with what is included in the kit as a daily driver (about 75mi of highway each way to work)

thanks

Q

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rupteur7000 · 04-16-2002, 01:29 PM

oh and by the way i have read the sticky about 4 times and it only asks questions which i do not have the answer to.

DoctorNick · 04-16-2002, 02:42 PM

Hmm, well I would suggets if your going to do it...do it right. engine management is costly. But it is imporant. You would love to boost now (heck I am boost hungry 7 months and counting) but I would rather have a running car. I know some people get away with not havign engine management heck..some don't have an intercooler and are doing ok. I rather not risk it. I love my car too much to blow the motor. Also the disance your driving a day it sounds like you would be screwed if your motor went "blamo"...

I would suggest if your going ludespeed and want a little power get the smaller spring buy the new j/s unit and that can be enough. Not enough for my taste (thats why i am having a friend make a kit with me to fool proof it...because lord knows I would blow my motor with my scooby luck).
-Neal

rupteur7000 · 04-16-2002, 02:45 PM

well then let me know how to fool proof the turbo kit?

Darshu · 04-16-2002, 02:52 PM

The best thing you can do is get your answer from the horse's mouth -- you should call Tom at Ludespeed, let him know your goals and concerns and he should be more than helpful in leading you to the right decision.

kastle · 04-16-2002, 02:56 PM

Quote:

i want to turbocharge my car, i have 2 choices

I'm calling bull**** here.... There are other choices.... Forced Air Tech (FAT) has 3 kits that are comporable to Ludespeed in terms of price and actually include more stuff in the kits that Ludespeed does.

rupteur7000 · 04-16-2002, 03:02 PM

true that but they don't return my many emails.

DoctorNick · 04-16-2002, 03:34 PM

serously hat other mods have you done before going FI? I am ordering cobb cams and light weight pullys for the time being. On my car now I got a CAI and the PROECM chip. They might make ya smile. Also they will give you more time to look around. I know many kits are about to appear on the market. Some with new names and some that have been around for a while. Personally I would suggest buing some N/A mods and watch for new kits to arrive.
-Neal

rupteur7000 · 04-16-2002, 03:55 PM

i have a ganzflow type intake with modified box, cat-back, and a clutch coming soon, i'll rather go with FI rather than staying NA, i guess justa preference. i was once thinking about cams, but i couldn't find good feedback from anybody (MY02 RS).

same thing with the Proecm.

lightweight pulleys are way to expensive for the gain.

i was hoping for a good 4-5psi turbo kit for under $4000
but it seems like there aren't any yet.

bensonwrx · 04-16-2002, 04:40 PM

Since you are going low boost, look at Ludespeed Stage 3, which has the J&S Safeguard unit. This is what you can add to protect your motor

Call Tom and he will be more than happy to include that for you, even if you are going Stage II.
An oil cooler is nice too, but at low boost it isn't REQUIRED; again, it's nice to have.
TEC-II is a bit overkill for ECU upgrade, but not that you can't do it; just very expensive compared to J&S.
Good luck!

-Benson (Another MY98 Owner)

Graham · 04-16-2002, 04:48 PM

Sure there are good 4-5 psi setups for $4000. I just finished my turbo project, using a Legacy RHB5 turbo, crossmember, uppipe, WRX turbo-back exhaust, and waterpump. My setup became expensive when I started buying aftermarket products such as intercoolers, BOV's, etc..

All in all, after the custom fabrication of the turbo piping you see, I spent around $3500, and no one else out there has a kit exactly like me!

Pics are here:

www.pbase.com/graham222

Oh yeah, the tuning controls such as a J&S Safegaurd and ITC definetly jack up the price.

Graham

hayscoob · 04-17-2002, 01:32 AM

Quote:

now my confusion begins, if i run the normal 6.6psi spring, do i really need a engine management upgrade? what about with the 4.5psi? i am not big into racing and it is just because i can and it sounds like something you can build up over the years.

rupteur7000,

I am the last guy you want to respond to your thread. I am the latest victim of the blown 2.5 motor club. I have a Ludespeed stage 2 kit on my car. I have the 4.4 lbs spring and I still blew up my motor. I wasn't racing when it happened. I was driving on the highway and was passing a car to get to the next exit to go fill up with gas. So, you don't have to be racing to smash a piston into little tiny bits. The pistons in our cars can't handle detonation. You must face the facts and get some sort of timing management. Trust me. $500 bucks for a J&S would have saved me from spending over 3k to rebuild my motor. Consider it cheap insurance for your motor. I was stupid in believing it would last. All it takes is a second and it's all over. Also, I would recommend getting the fuel rail mod done too. Tom at Ludespeed will hook you up with everything you need. The stage 3 set up should be just around your budget without installl. Just don't cut any corners. Trust me, you will regret it if you do. Good luck!

Paul...

DoctorNick · 04-17-2002, 01:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by hayscoob

rupteur7000,

I am the last guy you want to respond to your thread. I am the latest victim of the blown 2.5 motor club. I have a Ludespeed stage 2 kit on my car. I have the 4.4 lbs spring and I still blew up my motor. I wasn't racing when it happened. I was driving on the highway and was passing a car to get to the next exit to go fill up with gas. So, you don't have to be racing to smash a piston into little tiny bits. The pistons in our cars can't handle detonation. You must face the facts and get some sort of timing management. Trust me. $500 bucks for a J&S would have saved me from spending over 3k to rebuild my motor. Consider it cheap insurance for your motor. I was stupid in believing it would last. All it takes is a second and it's all over. Also, I would recommend getting the fuel rail mod done too. Tom at Ludespeed will hook you up with everything you need. The stage 3 set up should be just around your budget without installl. Just don't cut any corners. Trust me, you will regret it if you do. Good luck!

Paul...

Very true...
Your car might last a long time turbo'd. but it won't last forever...its AFI. Be willing to accept the fact that you will blow up your motor. the fact is we are all boost hungry once we think we want to move this direction(am I wrong fellow scoob nutz?) But if ya wanna do it, do it right.

I can't say I am doing it right. Because if I was, I would go full ECU and FULL internals. But the fact is I need my car to pass emitions and my car will be scanned with an obd-2 scanner at the test facility. So I can't go the route. And I am playing a dangreous hand by not building up my internals...but I am also relaying on the fact that I CAN (and do on occasion) take public transportation (train to work), I have great friends who work for less then most good quality shops charge and its been 6 months. I am impatient.

-Neal

rupteur7000 · 04-17-2002, 09:36 AM

so would a J&S reduce the chances of blowing a motor? if so by how much? what about the TEC II?

thanks for the help guys

Darshu · 04-17-2002, 10:31 AM

Both are a huge help in saving your motor.

RallyNavvie · 04-17-2002, 01:02 PM

Hey, even those of us with aftermarket engine management still have problems with our cars

Granted I haven't had any catastrophic failures since the Haltech was put in, but right now the car isn't working. Just plugs and wires supposedly. I remember before I had my ECU installed my engine would randomly die because the MAF tweaked out. That was all kinds of fun. Actually it was kinda funny looking back on it.

I had a J&S on my car before the break-in. Afterwards I had insurance money to replace what was stolen and it equalled the price of a new ECU so I took advantage of the moment. I'd still like a J&S on my car though.

~Garrett

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04-16-2002, 01:28 PM	#1
rupteur7000 Scooby Specialist Member#: 11585 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: -TEAM 614- (Boston) Vehicle: 02 2.5RS i am also not a p****	i am lost!! that is it! you guys have done it! i am lost and 100% confused. i have done abotu 2 hours of search and it seems to me like no one really knows what is going on! i want to turbocharge my car, i have 2 choices #1 the ludespeed stage 2 #2 the ludespeed stage 2 with the 4.5psi spring now my confusion begins, if i run the normal 6.6psi spring, do i really need a engine management upgrade? what about with the 4.5psi? i am not big into racing and it is just because i can and it sounds like something you can build up over the years. i need serious advice. I don't really drive the car too hard, if i had more power i would probably take it easy as my driving record is kind of long already. i need to know if i can run one of those 2 setup with what is included in the kit as a daily driver (about 75mi of highway each way to work) thanks Q * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

04-16-2002, 01:29 PM	#2
rupteur7000 Scooby Specialist Member#: 11585 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: -TEAM 614- (Boston) Vehicle: 02 2.5RS i am also not a p****	oh and by the way i have read the sticky about 4 times and it only asks questions which i do not have the answer to.

04-16-2002, 02:42 PM	#3
DoctorNick NASIOC Supporter Member#: 7022 Join Date: May 2001 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Chicago, Il. Vehicle: 2013 BRZ Limited SWP	Hmm, well I would suggets if your going to do it...do it right. engine management is costly. But it is imporant. You would love to boost now (heck I am boost hungry 7 months and counting) but I would rather have a running car. I know some people get away with not havign engine management heck..some don't have an intercooler and are doing ok. I rather not risk it. I love my car too much to blow the motor. Also the disance your driving a day it sounds like you would be screwed if your motor went "blamo"... I would suggest if your going ludespeed and want a little power get the smaller spring buy the new j/s unit and that can be enough. Not enough for my taste (thats why i am having a friend make a kit with me to fool proof it...because lord knows I would blow my motor with my scooby luck). -Neal

04-16-2002, 02:45 PM	#4
rupteur7000 Scooby Specialist Member#: 11585 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: -TEAM 614- (Boston) Vehicle: 02 2.5RS i am also not a p****	well then let me know how to fool proof the turbo kit?

04-16-2002, 02:52 PM	#5
Darshu Scooby Specialist Member#: 1676 Join Date: Jun 2000 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: Exile in Norcal Vehicle: 98RS w/ EJ207 2010 Mazdaspeed3	The best thing you can do is get your answer from the horse's mouth -- you should call Tom at Ludespeed, let him know your goals and concerns and he should be more than helpful in leading you to the right decision.

04-16-2002, 03:02 PM	#7
rupteur7000 Scooby Specialist Member#: 11585 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: -TEAM 614- (Boston) Vehicle: 02 2.5RS i am also not a p****	true that but they don't return my many emails.

04-16-2002, 03:34 PM	#8
DoctorNick NASIOC Supporter Member#: 7022 Join Date: May 2001 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Chicago, Il. Vehicle: 2013 BRZ Limited SWP	serously hat other mods have you done before going FI? I am ordering cobb cams and light weight pullys for the time being. On my car now I got a CAI and the PROECM chip. They might make ya smile. Also they will give you more time to look around. I know many kits are about to appear on the market. Some with new names and some that have been around for a while. Personally I would suggest buing some N/A mods and watch for new kits to arrive. -Neal

04-16-2002, 03:55 PM	#9
rupteur7000 Scooby Specialist Member#: 11585 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: -TEAM 614- (Boston) Vehicle: 02 2.5RS i am also not a p****	i have a ganzflow type intake with modified box, cat-back, and a clutch coming soon, i'll rather go with FI rather than staying NA, i guess justa preference. i was once thinking about cams, but i couldn't find good feedback from anybody (MY02 RS). same thing with the Proecm. lightweight pulleys are way to expensive for the gain. i was hoping for a good 4-5psi turbo kit for under $4000 but it seems like there aren't any yet.

04-16-2002, 04:40 PM	#10
bensonwrx Scooby Specialist Member#: 6904 Join Date: May 2001 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Down the river of MI Vehicle: AWD W204, R35, V36 DWM, BO, MW	Since you are going low boost, look at Ludespeed Stage 3, which has the J&S Safeguard unit. This is what you can add to protect your motor Call Tom and he will be more than happy to include that for you, even if you are going Stage II. An oil cooler is nice too, but at low boost it isn't REQUIRED; again, it's nice to have. TEC-II is a bit overkill for ECU upgrade, but not that you can't do it; just very expensive compared to J&S. Good luck! -Benson (Another MY98 Owner)

04-16-2002, 04:48 PM	#11
Graham Scooby Specialist Member#: 11931 Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Winter Park, FL/ SMU @ Dallas, Vehicle: 2001 2.5 RS Turbo 257/FMIC/T3-T04S	Sure there are good 4-5 psi setups for $4000. I just finished my turbo project, using a Legacy RHB5 turbo, crossmember, uppipe, WRX turbo-back exhaust, and waterpump. My setup became expensive when I started buying aftermarket products such as intercoolers, BOV's, etc.. All in all, after the custom fabrication of the turbo piping you see, I spent around $3500, and no one else out there has a kit exactly like me! Pics are here: www.pbase.com/graham222 Oh yeah, the tuning controls such as a J&S Safegaurd and ITC definetly jack up the price. Graham

04-17-2002, 09:36 AM	#14
rupteur7000 Scooby Specialist Member#: 11585 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: -TEAM 614- (Boston) Vehicle: 02 2.5RS i am also not a p****	so would a J&S reduce the chances of blowing a motor? if so by how much? what about the TEC II? thanks for the help guys

04-17-2002, 10:31 AM	#15
Darshu Scooby Specialist Member#: 1676 Join Date: Jun 2000 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: Exile in Norcal Vehicle: 98RS w/ EJ207 2010 Mazdaspeed3	Both are a huge help in saving your motor.

04-17-2002, 01:02 PM	#16
RallyNavvie Scooby Specialist Member#: 7113 Join Date: Jun 2001 Chapter/Region: TXIC Location: Minnesotan in Texas Vehicle: 2008 Spec B DGM	Hey, even those of us with aftermarket engine management still have problems with our cars Granted I haven't had any catastrophic failures since the Haltech was put in, but right now the car isn't working. Just plugs and wires supposedly. I remember before I had my ECU installed my engine would randomly die because the MAF tweaked out. That was all kinds of fun. Actually it was kinda funny looking back on it. I had a J&S on my car before the break-in. Afterwards I had insurance money to replace what was stolen and it equalled the price of a new ECU so I took advantage of the moment. I'd still like a J&S on my car though. ~Garrett