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Old 04-09-2009, 11:03 PM   #1
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Default Turbo Diesel 2003 Baja

So ya, the title sure looks enticing...but, my friend Adrian and I are going to swap the new Subaru turbo-diesel boxer motor as soon as we can get a hold of one on US shores. This will likely evolve into a build thread down the road. Anywho were gonna swap it into his 03 5spd Baja and make it hella fast. We live in the mountains and there are tons of diesel trucks cruisin around so Adrian thought it would be cool to have a diesel in his Baja and show those trucks what's up. Fortunately for us, this can be a reality.

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Old 04-10-2009, 08:38 AM   #2
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I have a 2003 NA 5speed.
Mentally I have been toying with either the latest 6 cylinder (good horsepower/good torque/now uses regular unleaded) or the diesel once it becomes available.

I am strongly leaning towards the diesel. 1) I used to work on diesel engines; 2) very strong torque; 3) better miles per gallon; 4) engine longevity; 5) it would be cool (not a strong argument for it, but its my argument, lol).

I haven't spoken to any dealerships yet. Where do you foresee getting the engine from? Anyone been able to come up with a cost for this engine?

Additionally, placing a dual range transfer case at the same time would be the icing on the cake!
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Old 04-10-2009, 08:46 AM   #3
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Hvae you ever watched Top Gear? Well they said that the desiel was a good engine but it was a little sluggesh. That would probably change with a decent size turbo onit.
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are you going to use the diesel 6 speed with it as well?
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I like the idea, but this sounds like it would be a very expensive and complicated swap.
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Old 04-10-2009, 12:00 PM   #6
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I have a 2003 NA 5speed.
Mentally I have been toying with either the latest 6 cylinder (good horsepower/good torque/now uses regular unleaded) or the diesel once it becomes available.

I am strongly leaning towards the diesel. 1) I used to work on diesel engines; 2) very strong torque; 3) better miles per gallon; 4) engine longevity; 5) it would be cool (not a strong argument for it, but its my argument, lol).

I haven't spoken to any dealerships yet. Where do you foresee getting the engine from? Anyone been able to come up with a cost for this engine?

Additionally, placing a dual range transfer case at the same time would be the icing on the cake!
We have an N/A as well. The 6 cylinder swap is a very realistic project...as it is available and probably not that expensive.
The diesel is good though because it's badass, and it also can be made to be fast, and has good towing and fuel capabilites. We live in the mountains and often tow snowmobiles with our subies. (the baja can tow 3!)

When the engine becomes available in the U.S. then i'll start hunting. I work for Subaru so fortunately, i'll get an inside look into that field
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Hvae you ever watched Top Gear? Well they said that the desiel was a good engine but it was a little sluggesh. That would probably change with a decent size turbo onit.
Ya, once we figure it out, we'll soop it up a bit. Exhaust and intake for sure, and then find someone who would do some open source tuning on it...which will be difficult

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I like the idea, but this sounds like it would be a very expensive and complicated swap.
I totally agree with you, but I work for Subaru, so i'll probably be able to find one more easily, as far as install, we have all the tools to cut, fab, and weld our way into making this fit the Baja.

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are you going to use the diesel 6 speed with it as well?
Ya, i'm hoping we can the 6 speed with it as well.
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The six speed is the reason I'm looking forward to the 2010 Legacy. I think the car is ugly as sin, but with the six speed offered in every model and standard in the 2.5GT, that will hopefully mean an abundance of them available for swaps once people start wrecking the cars. I just hope it's as durable as the STi unit, and I can't imagine they'll have the DCCD either.
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Old 04-10-2009, 03:36 PM   #9
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I think the car is ugly as sin, but with the six speed offered in every model and standard in the 2.5GT, that will hopefully mean an abundance of them available for swaps once people start wrecking the cars.
that was foul
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The six speed is the reason I'm looking forward to the 2010 Legacy. I think the car is ugly as sin, but with the six speed offered in every model and standard in the 2.5GT, that will hopefully mean an abundance of them available for swaps once people start wrecking the cars. I just hope it's as durable as the STi unit, and I can't imagine they'll have the DCCD either.
Ya, that's gonna be sweet. The problem though, I reckon, is that since the new legacy is going to be completely redesigned and running the 3.6L that's from the Tribeca, that the 6 speed swap isn't going to be as simple as one might think.

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that was foul
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Old 04-10-2009, 10:21 PM   #11
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that was foul
Hey, it's bound to happen, so I'm just looking at the bright side of it

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Ya, that's gonna be sweet. The problem though, I reckon, is that since the new legacy is going to be completely redesigned and running the 3.6L that's from the Tribeca, that the 6 speed swap isn't going to be as simple as one might think.
Even the 2.5i has the option of a 6 speed, or the CVT, according to the email I just got from SOA today. The only available tranny for the 3.6 will be the 5EAT. http://www.subaru.com/company/news/l...010-specs.html

I'm actually kinda digging the pics of the 2010 Outback.
http://www.subaru.com/vehicles/outback2010.html
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Old 04-10-2009, 10:35 PM   #12
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Hey, it's bound to happen, so I'm just looking at the bright side of it


Even the 2.5i has the option of a 6 speed, or the CVT, according to the email I just got from SOA today. The only available tranny for the 3.6 will be the 5EAT. http://www.subaru.com/company/news/l...010-specs.html

I'm actually kinda digging the pics of the 2010 Outback.
http://www.subaru.com/vehicles/outback2010.html
I guess no one told you that the new Lagacy's feature Subaru's new ulta-advanced-crash-avoidance-prevention-protocol-system aka UACAPP.
So basically it is impossible for it to even come into a collision but should it somehow come into one, it is essentially invincible and cannot be harmed. Best thing ever pretty much.

The 3.6 is kinda a luxury vehicle...not really the best if you want to race around town. For that you can get the 2.5t which is now ONLY available in 6 spd. (no more paddle shifters! ) oh well, shawiiiiing!
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Even the 2.5i has the option of a 6 speed, or the CVT, according to the email I just got from SOA today. The only available tranny for the 3.6 will be the 5EAT. http://www.subaru.com/company/news/l...010-specs.html
From what I understand, It's not the same 6 speed. The diesel uses a 6 speed similar to the STI/Spec B which is very strong.

The new 6 speed will have a split case like the current 5 speed and smaller internals. But I have not seen one in person yet, so I guess we will see.
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From what I understand, It's not the same 6 speed. The diesel uses a 6 speed similar to the STI/Spec B which is very strong.

The new 6 speed will have a split case like the current 5 speed and smaller internals. But I have not seen one in person yet, so I guess we will see.
Is it really similar to the STi 6 speed? nice. Good choice for them. If only they thought that for the wrx......

They're definately going to need a strong tranny to hold up to the added torque of the diesel.
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Is it really similar to the STi 6 speed? nice. Good choice for them. If only they thought that for the wrx......

They're definately going to need a strong tranny to hold up to the added torque of the diesel.
I think that's exactly why they use it for the diesel.

However, the new 6 speed for the legacy will be a split case design like the wrx 5 speed, and very possibly just as weak.
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I think that's exactly why they use it for the diesel.

However, the new 6 speed for the legacy will be a split case design like the wrx 5 speed, and very possibly just as weak.
Hopefully its not weak. I'm hoping Subaru has finally learned from their old glass trannies. The 09 WRX now has a beefed up tranny as well, so i'm sure they gave it a substantial tranny to cope with the torque increase. I read an article that talked about how they couldn't offer an automatic tranny because they didn't have one that coped with the increased torque, so they had to go with the 6 spd manual gearbox.
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snowflow..... so you work for a subaru dealer? sweet...

that new 2010 outback looks pretty sweet. any chance of designing a new baja based off it?
probably not
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snowflow..... so you work for a subaru dealer? sweet...

that new 2010 outback looks pretty sweet. any chance of designing a new baja based off it?
probably not
Man I wish. So far i've never heard of anything of the such. With the new outback being so aggressive looking, i'd imagine a Baja would look pretty mainstream truck-like. More people would like it based on that for sure.
I wish they still sold the Baja's, I'm a big fan of the turbo ones.
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Man I wish. So far i've never heard of anything of the such. With the new outback being so aggressive looking, i'd imagine a Baja would look pretty mainstream truck-like. More people would like it based on that for sure.
I wish they still sold the Baja's, I'm a big fan of the turbo ones.
I dig the new Outbacks, but think the chance of a new Baja is slim to none, unless they want to use it to lower their CAFE requirements. That's part of why the Outback is classified as a small truck/SUV. The turbo Baja thing, those of us that have them aren't likely to give them up, especially when we've got the 5 speed.
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I dig the new Outbacks, but think the chance of a new Baja is slim to none, unless they want to use it to lower their CAFE requirements. That's part of why the Outback is classified as a small truck/SUV. The turbo Baja thing, those of us that have them aren't likely to give them up, especially when we've got the 5 speed.
I've sold a few turbo 5 spd baja's and even a couple auto's. They are fantastic. A lot of fun to drive a turbo'd small truck. haha

Then I looked at the pic thread on here and saw some of these "sti" baja's and, maaaaan, i'm stunned.
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It would be interesting to see how the turbo diesel compares to the gas turbo. We love our turbo, especially in the mountains.
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It would be interesting to see how the turbo diesel compares to the gas turbo. We love our turbo, especially in the mountains.
I'd imagine it wouldn't be all that fast, but would have a lot of low end grunt and would probably plant you in the seat. I wonder what these will be capable of pushing though with some intake, exhaust, and tuning!
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a ten second baja.... hmmmm lol
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a ten second baja.... hmmmm lol
My friend Adrian is thinking of pouring that black smoke out of his exhaust.

IDK how this would look...i'll put my flame gaurd on but the exhaust stacks coming out in the bed would look pretty badass on a diesel baja.
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^^ + 1 on the stacks through the bed, anything that gives it a more truck like appearance. Ive pondered that idea myself, after it's paid off.
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