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Old 04-12-2009, 04:38 PM   #1
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Default EBAY turbos

Has anyone used an ebay turbo before here on VIC?

At first, I was totally NO WAY on the notion.
But I bumped into some real positive experiences with out any issues when researching from other forums. At the same time, I'm still skeptical.

Kinetic carry's a variety of these for a VERY affordable price.
Something about them selling them leaves me with a notion that they could be OK turbos when putting their reputation on the line.

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Old 04-12-2009, 07:07 PM   #2
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Kinetic sells ebay turbos?
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Old 04-12-2009, 07:16 PM   #3
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They told me they have some in stock for sale if I want one, whether it's something they sell regularly or used for testing/research I'm not sure.
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Old 04-12-2009, 07:21 PM   #4
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im pretty sure they dont.... and they arnt really any cheaper the other places. a FP 18g is 699 US, and KM's 845. FP 20 is the exact same price as a KM one. I know people who have worked at Kinetic and they never used cheap turbos in their DSM's so i dont think they would for subarus either.
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Old 04-12-2009, 07:30 PM   #5
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Doesn't hurt to ask what kind of warranty Kinetic provides with their products.
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Old 04-12-2009, 07:32 PM   #6
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They quoted me $400CA for an new ebay TD05 16g. (which is the same price as the U.S. conversion)

FP turbo's seem to have mixed reviews from researching, If I was to buy a brand name turbo, I would pick deadbolt, then KM (just cause they're local), over FP.

400$ for bit of fun sounds very tempting. I should also ask for a quote on an 18G for reference.
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Old 04-12-2009, 07:36 PM   #7
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^^ I don't think it'll have warranty, but agreed, asking is no harm.

These are NOT KM built turbos just to be clear.
These are EBAY turbo's that they happen to have a few in stock for sale.
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Old 04-12-2009, 07:54 PM   #8
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if they warranty them then i'd jump all over it....

also even if kinetic is a little more expensive i would buy from them over FP...simply because they are local....if you buy a turbo on the internetss from the US and have a problem its a big pain in the ass to warranty....local ftw.....
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Old 04-12-2009, 09:39 PM   #9
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deadbolt went belly up so don't bother with them.

i think what matters most is the serviceability. so a mitsu, ihi or garrett platform (not sure if thats the right term) is what you need to look for.


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Old 04-12-2009, 09:42 PM   #10
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Can someone explain to me what constitutes an E-Bay turbo?
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Old 04-12-2009, 10:34 PM   #11
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Can someone explain to me what constitutes an E-Bay turbo?
made in china no name brand yo...commonly found on ebay.....i know you're old and cant keep up with all the whipper snappers and their technology....
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Old 04-12-2009, 10:40 PM   #12
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i have heard of people buying them new off ebay with shaft play....
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Old 04-12-2009, 10:48 PM   #13
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For the extra $500 I'd buy quality.

Just think of where all the broken bits go if it fails........

Leave ebay turbos to the Honda crowd.......

I've got a brand new EVO III TD05H-16G I bought from Kinetic that I'm installing tomorrow - $500 more up front is a lot cheaper than rebuilding your motor........
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Old 04-12-2009, 10:51 PM   #14
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i have heard of people buying them new off ebay with shaft play....
wouldn't be suprised....

there are things i will buy off ebay....intercooler plumbing, couplings, exhaust pieces, etc....i'm not made of money, and see no reason to buy a perrin FMIC kit for $1500+ when i could pick up a kit off ebay that fits almost as well and works almost as well for 200$....that 1300$ can be better invested in something else....just like my header...i paid 60$ and got 25,000 miles out of it before it started leaking...now i paid 500 USD for my prosport and to be honest i think i should have just welded up my ebay one and kept trucking...but oh well...i dont understand the insane amount of money some people drop on their cars....like 10,000$+ for a block...get a grip, its a subaru....buy the part that gets the job done....not the one with the hefty price tags...but then again some people here have pretty fat wallets (or mommies with fat wallets) so whatever.....


but something like a turbo is a precision part and quite a bit of money....a bitch to swap out if you have gay stock location and can take other things with it when it goes....if i were you i'd spend the extra money and get something that has a name/reputation to back it....

that being said a friend of mine is running an ebay 300$ turbo on his civic making 320 whp....about 15,000 miles without problems so far....

so its kind of a gamble......
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Old 04-12-2009, 11:58 PM   #15
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i built a integra with a complete turbo/fmic setup that was all purchased off ebay. turbo was good, no shaft play. the intercooler piping they sent for a D series motor not B series, so after a bit of taking pics and emailing back and forth, they sent the right kit and let me keep the other piping.

all in all it was a decent kit, and im sure there are better ones on the market, but it is holding up good so far.
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Old 04-13-2009, 03:35 AM   #16
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I bought an Ewg from kinetic through ebay. It seems like a no namer but its great quality by the looks of it. Came with everything too. Nicely machined parts and all hardware. It looks exactly like tial but no engravings.
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Old 04-13-2009, 03:53 AM   #17
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^^^ 100% agree from "not made of money" down to "it's kind of a gamble."

You nailed it on what I think of the idea, it's a gamble. And yes, with a turbo it's a REAL gamble.
But yet, lots of cars out there just like your friends 320whp civic and rs420's integra, haven't had issues. Cheap fun.

But knowing me, I'll end up forking some extra hard earned for a better product and peace of mind. Listening to that little voice that says, if you're gonna do it, do it right.

Kuldud- wow did'nt hear that they went out of business, good to know. What happens with all the deadbolt owners out there with their rebuild warranty's? I'm guessing, nothing?
An local KM turbo sounds real good to me now.....like you said, easy access for servicing.


The price and with Kinetic somehow connected to it tempted my ass.

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Old 04-13-2009, 04:16 AM   #18
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The price and with Kinetic somehow connected to it tempted my ass.
well talk to the guys at kinetic about those turbos....from my dealings with them they're pretty good honest guys....
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Old 04-13-2009, 05:31 AM   #19
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i dont understand the insane amount of money some people drop on their cars....like 10,000$+ for a block...get a grip, its a subaru....buy the part that gets the job done....not the one with the hefty price tags......
Well I'm finding out it's a lot easier then first thought to spend $10k on an engine with anything there is budget over runs.... and when stuff is a part you might as well do it right the first time. At that point do you want to save a couple of $$ on some gaskets, bearings, pistons, etc for it to cost you a couple of extra grand to have to do it again? I think not.

I hate buying something that is a ebay knock off then running into fit ment issue's. If I'm going to replace a part on my car it has to be better then OEM quality and performance or why bother doing it? But again I don't want to go out and waste my money just because it says APS, Crosworth, etc. and pay more just because of the label. I try to plan a build and buy stuff when on sale or buy used. Like my Defi's gage's I knew what I wanted and spent 3-4 months searching forums, ebay etc and I ended up saving 500-800 on then. Used for three months and in mint condition.

So Yes I would buy a turbo off ebay from a known company that builds quality products, but not a Taiwan or China knock off built by some 12 year old kid.
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I have to find time for KM as they built me an 18g, they don't have turbos in stock that are "their" turbos, but these other ones, ya its tough, IF you get a warranty with it, then jump on it, IF you DON'T get a warranty, then pass and get them to build one for one.

like people have said 500 more now will save you $$$ later.
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Old 04-13-2009, 01:52 PM   #21
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Here's the answer KM provided about warrenty on the turbo.....

Yes, we warrant these for 6 months when used in stock applications.

We can build 18G's but they are considerably more expensive, roughly US$795.00.



The second line where they're saying "we can build 18G's..." now I'm confused. Do they build these so called ebay/no name turbos? I'm waiting for this reply.

......hmmmmmmmm thoughts?
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Old 04-13-2009, 01:58 PM   #22
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they do build custom turbos. and if you want them ported or coated, they do that as well.
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Old 04-13-2009, 02:04 PM   #23
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No, KM gets the parts from whatever turbo manufacturer and then assembles them plus their own mods if any. The deal is in the assembly. KM is very good at it and from the way it sounds E-Bay is so so.

Deadbolt SUCKED. They had crappy customer service and not very good quality control.

I would DEFINITELY pay a little more for a proper turbo. Just the labor cost of an extra install and turbo fix is enough to warrant the extra dough.

There is a lot of bashing of expensive brands such as APS etc and that E-Bay stuff is just as good etc etc. This is RARELY the case. The people that generally bash it are building the car themselves and tuning without dyno etc. Put an e-bay parts/home built/personally road tuned car against and equally equipped (but with "expensive" parts), mechanic installed, dyno tuned car and you will see the difference.

I have seen SO many ill fitting "cheap" parts that take custom fitting or modification and the results are noticeably poorer on the dyno. People will argue it but I've seen the direct difference going form say an e-bay IC to an APS with NO other changes and seeing VERY significant gains.

I can also tell you how many people I have seen that go cheap the first round then end up re-doing everything with better parts and the difference is immense.

I can very confidently say it is far better and you will save a lot of money in the long run if you start out with reputable parts,mechanics and tuners.
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i bought a 3" 8cm fp green clone from ebay. used ewg, with 800 cc injectors, untuned running 10:1 a/f @ redline made 350 whp/wtrq on 21 psi. this was on AMS' where a typical sti dynos 250 whp. i liked it.
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There is a lot of bashing of expensive brands such as APS etc and that E-Bay stuff is just as good etc etc. This is RARELY the case. The people that generally bash it are building the car themselves and tuning without dyno etc. Put an e-bay parts/home built/personally road tuned car against and equally equipped (but with "expensive" parts), mechanic installed, dyno tuned car and you will see the difference.

I have seen SO many ill fitting "cheap" parts that take custom fitting or modification and the results are noticeably poorer on the dyno. People will argue it but I've seen the direct difference going form say an e-bay IC to an APS with NO other changes and seeing VERY significant gains.
oh im not arguing that the expensive parts dont perform better....what i am arguing is if they perform so much better that they are worth the price tag.....i mean i paid 200$ for my FMIC....i could have spent 1200$ on an APS....now the question is will that APS give 1000$ worth of better results? or could i spend that money elsewhere.....i think i could spend it elsewhere and gain a lot more than the difference in gains between the APS and the ebay kit....

but i dunno....i also do all the work on my car, and the majority of the tuning myself....i'm sure if i bought top of the line parts, and had a shop do all the work and paid thousands of dollars for rocket rally to tune the car i would make a lot more horsepower....but i haven't even thrown my car on the dyno yet....mostly cause i dont really care about what my car puts down.....there will always be someone making more power than you, and always someone running better times than you....for me building my car is about the work i put into the car and not so much the money.....i'll take a 300 whp car with 4000$ into the engine over a 350 whp car with 10,000$ into the engine any day....i appreciate my car because i've put the wrench time in...blood sweat and tears into a car is a lot more rewarding than a dyno # for me.....so buying a part for a fraction of the cost that requires a little bit of work to fit is logical for me...

but then again some people dont like doing the work on their car, and are fine with dropping it off at a shop and showing up a week later, dropping 10G and posting up a dyno number....different strokes for different folks.....

i mean a lot of people would probably look at my car and say its a hack job, piece of ****, whatever.....but until that person has put the same amount of work and dedication into their car as i have they can **** right off......
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