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Old 04-15-2009, 10:57 AM   #1
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I've personally never had an engine built before. I wanted to run this by you all. I'm sure somebody will let me know if anything seems out of line.

It looks good to me, although it is a bit more than I budgeted. I don't mind paying for quality, and I'm pretty sure I won't have any problems there as the builder came well reccommended.



My EJ22T block
My EJ25 crank
My Pauter rods
My EJ20G or EJ20K heads.

New pistons (in quote)
New bearings (in quote)
New oil pump (not in quote)
MLS headgaskets, stock or Cometic (not in quote)

Any input appreciated. I'm most likely going to go ahead with this unless somebody sees something glaring that I missed. My goal is to "max" out a 90degree inlet TDO4-16G, with some headroom for a possible future 18G upgrade.


Edit...... first thing I noticed. No seals or case bolts in quote, he is assembling the shortblock.
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Old 04-15-2009, 11:08 AM   #2
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The pricing looks to be a little heavy, I am sure you will get a couple of people say that they get charged $10 for the whole thing, ignore them.

The only things that really jump out....
I pay $40 per side for a re-surface of the block. ACL RACE bearings are far cheaper than that......

That's alot of block for a 16G...............
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Old 04-15-2009, 11:15 AM   #3
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the CP pistons, rings, and wrist pins can be had for about 475, the ACL race bearings can be had for 110, im getting both from import image, might want to try there.
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Old 04-15-2009, 11:50 AM   #4
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Labor rates tend to vary quite a bit regionally. I know what I paid for machining work in Iowa is not the same as Virginia.

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Old 04-15-2009, 11:52 AM   #5
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ACL bearings are cheaper than that though a lot of places offer them with calico coatings but still aren't that much.

Prices seemed a little on the high side for certain things but a bit cheap for others...but as dunk said, that fluxuates on location and relation...also depends on if they have new machinery they are using/paying off. You can expect to pay more for newer machinery and bits making a better finish and product in the end.

I now just pay a flatrate for all my block blueprinting...mains, decking, boring and honing...its because I helped write the cnc code for the subie blocks at the shop I use. So my above comments on pricing might not be the best reference.

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Old 04-15-2009, 12:51 PM   #6
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That's alot of block for a 16G...............
That's what really jumped out at me too.

As for the prices, they seem pretty ballpark, though a touch stiff on the parts. Personally, I don't mind anyone making a few bucks on parts as long as they don't charge way over street...at some point, enough is enough. Ask him if you can provide the bearings and piston set - he'll either say yes, or he'll say no.
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ACL bearings are cheaper than that though a lot of places offer them with calico coatings but still aren't that much.

Prices seemed a little on the high side for certain things but a bit cheap for others...but as dunk said, that fluxuates on location and relation...also depends on if they have new machinery they are using/paying off. You can expect to pay more for newer machinery and bits making a better finish and product in the end.

I know just pay a flatrate for all my block blueprinting...mains, decking, boring and honing...its because I helped write the cnc code for the subie blocks at the shop I use. So my above comments on pricing might not be the best reference.
so if i were to mail you my block............
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I did notice that the bearings were high compared to Ebay and a few online vendors I checked. I didn't check pistons because the quote stated "custom". I haven't had a chance to discuss just how "custom". I assume some work to attain my desired compression ratio. I don't mind paying an honest person for his time and work. But I will ask him about a 100% markup.

Yes it's alot of block for my power goals, but seeing as I already had most of the "hard parts", I don't see how building a stockish EJ22T would be much cheaper. Almost all of the machining work would be the same, correct? The only major operation that could be cut would be the #5 thrust work.
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Old 04-15-2009, 02:55 PM   #9
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so if i were to mail you my block............
I would charge you money

but that'll have to wait a few more weeks...no vendor account yet and I have a planned freeze (right now) to finish my own car.
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Old 04-15-2009, 06:34 PM   #10
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The pricing looks to be a little heavy, I am sure you will get a couple of people say that they get charged $10 for the whole thing, ignore them.

The only things that really jump out....
I pay $40 per side for a re-surface of the block. ACL RACE bearings are far cheaper than that......

That's alot of block for a 16G...............
+1. Way to much for a set of bearings. All of the other prices seem a bit high compared to what I am used to.

You can also have the crank machined to fit the #3 position for waaaaay cheaper than having the block cut for #5. Mine cost free ninety nine. Probably smarter to cut the block but still........ $250
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Decking the block and heads are a bit expensive. I paid like $175 for both sides of the block and both heads.
Boring and honing the block is way on the high side. I got mine done for like $100. (99.75mm pistons)
4 hours to assemble the block? I'm noob and I can do it quicker And how do you "set" oil clearances....
ACL Coated bearings are like 195 shipped from Calico. I have a set for sale right now.
Pistons are expensive. I picked up mine for 635 shipped with a crown & skirt coating. 475 shipped without coatings seems to be the going price but yours are custom pistons so I don't know...
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Old 04-16-2009, 02:21 PM   #12
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boring and honing at my local shop is $40/cyl

5-angle valve seat serdi cut and back-cutting of the valves was $280

surfacing was $40/side.

I didn't have the shop assemble anything, so I can't comment on that.
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