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Old 04-15-2009, 02:48 PM   #1
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Default (Advice if you can) 2005 60km - Control Arm - creaking noise from control arms + etc

I live in New York City and just took my car in for a couple issues, and need your advice before I trust these mechanics in Brooklyn. I dont trust them really. Hopefully you can recommend someone good.

I came in for :

1. Squeaking belt and streeing wheel stiffness
2. Bad MPG -- im getting 16/22 instead of the 18/24 or higher
3. Creak sound coming from under car when breaking

They charged me:

1. $50 to reset tension on the Power Steering Belt - fixed problem
2. $165 for a 'flush' and complete fuel injection service - not sure yet
3. $80 for Lubricate Suspension and Chassis - did not do anything noticeable

I think I was over charged.

For problem #1 the squeaking.. its all good now. No issues and steering wheel feels fluid again

For problem #2 the bad mpg. I guess I will find out after a full tank, but still almost $200 for this service? How often do you guys have this done?

For problem #3, no difference in creaking noise or anything. They told me its preventive maintenance, and people should get this done. How often?

They also are telling me my car had been in a front end, minor accident because the bumper clips are gone, bumper loose.. and there is less space from tire to wheel well on right side, than the left.. I did the carfax on the previous owner/history of the car and saw no accidents or anything

Anyways... they are telling me now to bring it in for 2 days and replace the control arms and bushings. That this will fix the creaking and cost about $400 per side.

Can you guys please help, im a noob but I want to go into this educated a little

Phillip
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Old 04-15-2009, 03:08 PM   #2
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Regarding the accident, it will only be on the Carfax if someone reports it and I've also heard it can take a while for a reported accident to get on a Carfax.
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Old 04-15-2009, 03:18 PM   #3
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do you have any suspension modifications on your car currently?
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Old 04-15-2009, 05:51 PM   #4
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no mods... Just looking for advice on what they did and if I should let them go forward.. I don't know much about control arm creaking noises

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Old 04-15-2009, 06:19 PM   #5
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There's nothing to lube on these cars. The bushings are all rubber. The balljoints are sealed. You can replace the control arms with new ones for less than they're charging you just to switch bushings, hell you could buy new aluminum arms for less than that.

If I was looking for a creak, I'd remove the swaybar end link on one side and drive around. If the noise goes away, it's the swaybar and not the suspension proper.
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Old 04-15-2009, 06:26 PM   #6
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^^^ theres nothing to lube - lol... thats hilarious - blatant lying...


And, the control arms are one of the last things I would look at for squeeking...
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Old 04-16-2009, 04:46 AM   #7
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any advice on what to look for, for that creaking would help
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Old 04-16-2009, 08:48 AM   #8
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I gave you advice, you just have to try it.
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Old 04-16-2009, 12:33 PM   #9
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There's nothing to lube on these cars. The bushings are all rubber. The balljoints are sealed. You can replace the control arms with new ones for less than they're charging you just to switch bushings, hell you could buy new aluminum arms for less than that.

If I was looking for a creak, I'd remove the swaybar end link on one side and drive around. If the noise goes away, it's the swaybar and not the suspension proper.
did you really just say there is nothing to lube on these cars?

wow....

in regards to the OP, I would definetly check the sway bar mounts, make sure they have grease in them. I know my aftermarket ones have a spot to put the grease in. The only thing I agree with in the above post is that you should disconnect your endlinks and see if that makes any difference in your noise. I.E.- If the front is creaking, disconnect the front or if the rear is creaking, disconnect the front. Just dont do any crazy driving
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Old 04-16-2009, 01:41 PM   #10
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They charged me:

1. $50 to reset tension on the Power Steering Belt - fixed problem
2. $165 for a 'flush' and complete fuel injection service - not sure yet
3. $80 for Lubricate Suspension and Chassis - did not do anything noticeable
OP paid for a lube job on his car, on a car that doesn't require suspension lubrication so, he was ripped off. $50 to loosen two 12 mm bolts to set the belt tension is pretty much a rip-off too. Typical garage taking advantage of a newb. There are no grease fitting on the sway bar mounts. There are no grease fittings on the car period.
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Old 04-17-2009, 01:56 PM   #11
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a friend said this >>>>>>>

I don't think you were overcharged... those are appropriate prices for the service performed. However, whether the service was appropriate or not is debatable.

The control arm bushings are a weak point in our cars. Some people have found theirs are failing within 30,000 miles. There are stiffer aftermarket versions that should fit your control arms that will make the car more stable on the highway and over bumps, however they transmit a bit more noise and vibration into the chassis. Coming from someone who is particular about noise and vibration, it is pretty minor compared ot the benefits.

SuperPro and AVO are the brands who make LCA bushings. Search around the forum (and posts started by me) and you will find some good info about them.

BTW, your MPG is within the normal range. My mileage started around 17MPG average and has slowly crept up to ~25MPG due to my driving habits and mix of city/highway. Being in NYC it is entirely plausible that you would see lower average MPG.
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