HTA68: Can Any 16G Compete? - Page 51

Merp · 10-14-2009, 04:19 PM

I'm running a GS crosspipe with manifold's I ported myself. Essentially the same setup without coating, but I'm using heatshields.

One of my injector o-rings was on its way out with a slight leak, and totally obliterated itself this morning, so tuning is on hold for the moment. While it's under the knife I'm going to change the plugs to OE heat range copper v-grooves, I was getting a little blowout at high rpm with the E85.

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maperformance · 11-06-2009, 09:18 PM

My Thread: Click Here For Mods and Other Info

My Numbers:

rexblake · 11-07-2009, 12:02 AM

Hot damn Adam! Way to break the 400whp mark with this sucker! And holy boost! You still on the 850's?

Gixxer1K · 11-07-2009, 12:05 AM

Where are all the naysayers? *crickets*

logic · 11-07-2009, 12:08 AM

Very nice. That graph would seem to suggest that there's more to be had from 4000-5500 RPM as well.

maperformance · 11-07-2009, 01:00 AM

Went out running tonight with some 30r sti built guys. I think they were impressed. Seeing as i'm still completely stock block and we turned it down to 390whp

800cc and the IDC you don't even want to know.

ronzogonzo · 11-11-2009, 02:03 PM

I figure I'll post my build. Just wondering what numbers you guys think I'll be able to hit with my setup. I still have to figure out who tuning it?

07 WRX:
Built 2.5 EJ257
CP 99.5 8.2-1 CR pistons
Eagle rods
ACL race series bearings
Pistons have been side skirt coated as well as domes coated

05 STI heads
STI cams
Invidia tbe non-resonated
Tial 38mm vband grimmspeed ewg setup
HTA68
TGV deletes
DW750's
Perrin 2.4 inlet and afta maf
k&n typhoon SRI
STI top mount IC

running a killer b oil pickup tube, should be dropping the motor in soon, I have done a complete transformation of my WRX it now has 04 sti speed and r180 and this would be the third motor.

06-wrx-tr · 11-11-2009, 02:56 PM

how do you go through motors so fast. did you blow them? and at what power level? 3 motors on a 07? wow... im still on the stocker with 40k and stage 2/3 since 18k. just curious.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronzogonzo

I figure I'll post my build. Just wondering what numbers you guys think I'll be able to hit with my setup. I still have to figure out who tuning it?

07 WRX:
Built 2.5 EJ257
CP 99.5 8.2-1 CR pistons
Eagle rods
ACL race series bearings
Pistons have been side skirt coated as well as domes coated

05 STI heads
STI cams
Invidia tbe non-resonated
Tial 38mm vband grimmspeed ewg setup
HTA68
TGV deletes
DW750's
Perrin 2.4 inlet and afta maf
k&n typhoon SRI
STI top mount IC

running a killer b oil pickup tube, should be dropping the motor in soon, I have done a complete transformation of my WRX it now has 04 sti speed and r180 and this would be the third motor.

ronzogonzo · 11-11-2009, 03:17 PM

^^first motor popped from the tune (too much boost and timing)

Second motor spun a crank bearing due to either over revving it or wristpin clip popping out of its hole.

06-wrx-tr · 11-11-2009, 03:20 PM

well that sux man.... good luck with this build. how much boost/timing were u running to pop the 1st motor?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronzogonzo

^^first motor popped from the tune (too much boost and timing)

Second motor spun a crank bearing due to either over revving it or wristpin clip popping out of its hole.

ronzogonzo · 11-11-2009, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 06-wrx-tr

well that sux man.... good luck with this build. how much boost/timing were u running to pop the 1st motor?

Im not sure the exact numbers, my buddy was open source tuning it at the time and had flashed a updated XPT map on to my ecu. a few WOT pulls later and I pop the ringlands on two pistons. cylinders 2,4 to be exact. live and learn

06-wrx-tr · 11-11-2009, 05:36 PM

did you know instantly something was wrong? just trying to understand if its noticeable or if it just starts smokin and burning tonz of oil.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronzogonzo

Im not sure the exact numbers, my buddy was open source tuning it at the time and had flashed a updated XPT map on to my ecu. a few WOT pulls later and I pop the ringlands on two pistons. cylinders 2,4 to be exact. live and learn

ronzogonzo · 11-11-2009, 06:55 PM

ohh yeah! you could feel it pull timing, and then it smelled like oil was burning and then it popped a CEL. we pulled it when we got off the HWY and p0304 misfire on 4. I'm averaging 25k per motor. I currently have 50K on the odometer. so not too bad, considering I beat the piss out of my car. My tranny held up the whole time, but this last motor I decided to pull that and go to a 6 speed.

Fierysun · 11-28-2009, 03:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gixxer1K

Where are all the naysayers? *crickets*

Naysayers are on this thread...

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...9#post28956479

robertrinaustin · 11-28-2009, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fierysun

Naysayers are on this thread...

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...9#post28956479

Someone needs to get control of the mod in that thread, banning those that disagree with him isn't right.

AkumaMotorsports · 11-28-2009, 02:32 PM

Awesome numbers! We are seeing very very promising results with this turbo!

- Alex

Gixxer1K · 11-29-2009, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robertrinaustin

Someone needs to get control of the mod in that thread, banning those that disagree with him isn't right.

Agreed, that's a shoddy way of ending an argument.

Fierysun · 11-29-2009, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gixxer1K

Agreed, that's a shoddy way of ending an argument.

+ a billion

BenGSX · 12-01-2009, 03:29 PM

Yeah, I knew this turbo would be a little monster when cranked with good fuel..

For what it is, a tweaked 16g, it flat out rocks. For a street daily driver, that is a very nice fat area under the curve.. I like.. Which is why I ordered one up.. Should do nicely in my e85 burning wagon..

Guru · 12-12-2009, 10:54 AM

I just tuned one of these on a Forrester XT 2.5L and wow was this thing quick. Only running 18 PSI at the moment as he is on stock fuel system/Stock IC but car is wicked quick and spool up is like stock. Definately making 300 WHP based on AF ratios and inj duty cycles.

mapleleaf · 01-11-2010, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fierysun

+ a billion

You were spewing misinformation that many people may have taken as truth.
7cm Hotsides on 2.5's creep. Creep sucks.........

Fierysun · 01-11-2010, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapleleaf

You were spewing misinformation that many people may have taken as truth.
7cm Hotsides on 2.5's creep. Creep sucks.........

So everyone that run the HTA68 on the 2.5L is making a mistake? Whatever you say...

Not everyone is looking for same thing out a turbo.

LittleBlueGT · 01-11-2010, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fierysun

So everyone that run the HTA68 on the 2.5L is making a mistake? Whatever you say...

Not everyone is looking for same thing out a turbo.

No, but he is correct. In the cold every single 7 cm housing I have played with creeped.

My hta68 which has about a 10psi spring in it (or something close to that) will creep to a little over 16 psi in the cold. Now, seeing as that is lower then my boost target, it doesn't really matter.

STi Mikey · 01-11-2010, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LittleBlueGT

No, but he is correct. In the cold every single 7 cm housing I have played with creeped.

My hta68 which has about a 10psi spring in it (or something close to that) will creep to a little over 16 psi in the cold. Now, seeing as that is lower then my boost target, it doesn't really matter.

Still not quite understanding why people think it is not a good choice for the 2.5ltr. It spools like a 39 and makes 20g power. Creep is minimal. Its a great turbo.

If you can drive, high 11's/low 12's are more than doable with supporting mods (at sea level).

Goint Green on the 2.5ltr with just 93 pump, IMHO, sucks. It will make 10-15 more peak, but you will loose the insta-boost of the 68.

Merp · 01-11-2010, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LittleBlueGT

No, but he is correct. In the cold every single 7 cm housing I have played with creeped.

My hta68 which has about a 10psi spring in it (or something close to that) will creep to a little over 16 psi in the cold. Now, seeing as that is lower then my boost target, it doesn't really matter.

My Hta68 (10psi spring) ran 10psi solid, cold or not.

Seeing how you mention boost targets, were you running a bcs at the time?

Quote:

You were spewing misinformation that many people may have taken as truth.
7cm Hotsides on 2.5's creep. Creep sucks.........

Absolutely wrong, creep isn't exclusive to a small housing, it's the combo of a small housing with a small wastegate port that really does it. From my experience tuning this turbo, this is not the case. Talk about spewing misinformation.

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10-14-2009, 04:19 PM	#1251
Merp * Banned * Member#: 199106 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Pennsyltucky Vehicle: PMme 4 Speed Density Patches on OEM ECU	I'm running a GS crosspipe with manifold's I ported myself. Essentially the same setup without coating, but I'm using heatshields. One of my injector o-rings was on its way out with a slight leak, and totally obliterated itself this morning, so tuning is on hold for the moment. While it's under the knife I'm going to change the plugs to OE heat range copper v-grooves, I was getting a little blowout at high rpm with the E85. * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

11-06-2009, 09:18 PM	#1252
maperformance NASIOC Vendor Member#: 141043 Join Date: Feb 2007 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Plymouth, MN Vehicle: 2004 FXT Silver	My Thread: Click Here For Mods and Other Info My Numbers:

11-07-2009, 12:02 AM	#1253
rexblake Scooby Specialist Member#: 178426 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: FoCo Vehicle: 2010 Evo X MRt Silver	Hot damn Adam! Way to break the 400whp mark with this sucker! And holy boost! You still on the 850's?

11-07-2009, 12:05 AM	#1254
Gixxer1K Scooby Specialist Member#: 81631 Join Date: Feb 2005 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Seattle area Vehicle: 2002 WRX stage 11	Where are all the naysayers? crickets

11-07-2009, 12:08 AM	#1255
logic Scooby Newbie Member#: 47613 Join Date: Nov 2003 Chapter/Region: BAIC Location: Alameda, CA USA Vehicle: 2005 WRX Wagon Obsidian Black Pearl	Very nice. That graph would seem to suggest that there's more to be had from 4000-5500 RPM as well.

11-07-2009, 01:00 AM	#1256
maperformance NASIOC Vendor Member#: 141043 Join Date: Feb 2007 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Plymouth, MN Vehicle: 2004 FXT Silver	Went out running tonight with some 30r sti built guys. I think they were impressed. Seeing as i'm still completely stock block and we turned it down to 390whp 800cc and the IDC you don't even want to know.

11-11-2009, 02:03 PM	#1257
ronzogonzo Scooby Specialist Member#: 136671 Join Date: Jan 2007 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Bartlett,Il Vehicle: WRX HTA GT3076R 9cm2 eWG'd It's ALIVE!!	I figure I'll post my build. Just wondering what numbers you guys think I'll be able to hit with my setup. I still have to figure out who tuning it? 07 WRX: Built 2.5 EJ257 CP 99.5 8.2-1 CR pistons Eagle rods ACL race series bearings Pistons have been side skirt coated as well as domes coated 05 STI heads STI cams Invidia tbe non-resonated Tial 38mm vband grimmspeed ewg setup HTA68 TGV deletes DW750's Perrin 2.4 inlet and afta maf k&n typhoon SRI STI top mount IC running a killer b oil pickup tube, should be dropping the motor in soon, I have done a complete transformation of my WRX it now has 04 sti speed and r180 and this would be the third motor.

11-11-2009, 03:17 PM	#1259
ronzogonzo Scooby Specialist Member#: 136671 Join Date: Jan 2007 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Bartlett,Il Vehicle: WRX HTA GT3076R 9cm2 eWG'd It's ALIVE!!	^^first motor popped from the tune (too much boost and timing) Second motor spun a crank bearing due to either over revving it or wristpin clip popping out of its hole.

11-11-2009, 06:55 PM	#1263
ronzogonzo Scooby Specialist Member#: 136671 Join Date: Jan 2007 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Bartlett,Il Vehicle: WRX HTA GT3076R 9cm2 eWG'd It's ALIVE!!	ohh yeah! you could feel it pull timing, and then it smelled like oil was burning and then it popped a CEL. we pulled it when we got off the HWY and p0304 misfire on 4. I'm averaging 25k per motor. I currently have 50K on the odometer. so not too bad, considering I beat the piss out of my car. My tranny held up the whole time, but this last motor I decided to pull that and go to a 6 speed.

11-28-2009, 02:32 PM	#1266
AkumaMotorsports NASIOC Vendor Member#: 214570 Join Date: Jun 2009 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: NJ/SLC Vehicle: 2008	Awesome numbers! We are seeing very very promising results with this turbo! - Alex

12-01-2009, 03:29 PM	#1269
BenGSX Scooby Specialist Member#: 210061 Join Date: Apr 2009 Chapter/Region: BAIC Location: Elk Grove, CA	Yeah, I knew this turbo would be a little monster when cranked with good fuel.. For what it is, a tweaked 16g, it flat out rocks. For a street daily driver, that is a very nice fat area under the curve.. I like.. Which is why I ordered one up.. Should do nicely in my e85 burning wagon..

12-12-2009, 10:54 AM	#1270
Guru Scooby Newbie Member#: 142023 Join Date: Feb 2007	I just tuned one of these on a Forrester XT 2.5L and wow was this thing quick. Only running 18 PSI at the moment as he is on stock fuel system/Stock IC but car is wicked quick and spool up is like stock. Definately making 300 WHP based on AF ratios and inj duty cycles.