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Old 04-20-2009, 01:37 PM   #1
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A $4.4 million penalty is being required from Nissan by the California Air Resources Board (CARB) for selling cars that come installed with compliant tailpipe emission monitoring equipment. The findings of CARB show that in excess of 450,000 cars, beginning 2005 to 2007 model years, fail to turn on the ‘check engine’ alert light when emissions reach excessive levels. This problem was detected in 2007 by CARB. The amount would be divided as follows: $3 million will go to the California Air Pollution Control Fund, $1.2 million to the Environmental Education Initiative, and the remaining $200,000 to the National On-Board Diagnostics (OBD) Clearinghouse. This arrangement implies that CARB and Nissan won’t be hitting the courts. Nissan has been cooperative and has implemented design changes that will avoid problems in the future.
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Old 04-20-2009, 01:38 PM   #2
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ouch.

Im sure they can afford it tho.
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Old 04-20-2009, 01:59 PM   #3
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our state is running out money really quick. i guess this is one of they ways they plan to hang on.
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Old 04-20-2009, 02:00 PM   #4
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ouch.

Im sure they can afford it tho.
I'm pretty sure that penalties such as this have to paid with revenue (aka you can't pay a penalty with funds raised from sales of shares). In which case it really sucks for them considering that sales are terrible right now.
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Old 04-20-2009, 02:08 PM   #5
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How much longer until it's not even profitable or worth the headache to try and sell cars in the Over-Regulated States of America?
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Old 04-20-2009, 02:15 PM   #6
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How much longer until it's not even profitable or worth the headache to try and sell cars in the Over-Regulated States of America?
The fine is less than $10 per affected car. If that ruins your profit margin, you're doing it wrong.
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Old 04-20-2009, 02:17 PM   #7
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The day will come. The more government enforces and clamps down and regulates every facet of an industry, the less room that industry has to grow and profit.
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Old 04-20-2009, 02:21 PM   #8
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The fine is less than $10 per affected car. If that ruins your profit margin, you're doing it wrong.
Is that what he's saying? With a fine of 'only' $10 per car, why bother. just build them however you want and set aside the $10 for when the company is fined.
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Old 04-20-2009, 02:36 PM   #9
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The day will come. The more government enforces and clamps down and regulates every facet of an industry, the less room that industry has to grow and profit.
Whoa, slow down. We're not talking about government regulating every facet of an industry, we're talking about a little yellow light that's supposed to come on when something is broken and the car is polluting. It didn't, so Nissan has to pay a (rather modest) fine. That's all there is to it. It won't cause car manufacturers to pull out of one of the largest car markets and force people to ride horses.
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Old 04-20-2009, 03:57 PM   #10
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The day will come. The more government enforces and clamps down and regulates every facet of an industry, the less room that industry has to grow and profit.
yeah ok ... what you meant was:

The day will come. The more government enforces and clamps down and regulates every facet of an industry, the more the industry will charge its customers.

you fail at understand how business's work.

trust me ... Nissan wont be the one paying that 10$ a car... customers will.
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Old 04-20-2009, 05:38 PM   #11
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yeah ok ... what you meant was:

The day will come. The more government enforces and clamps down and regulates every facet of an industry, the more the industry will charge its customers.

you fail at understand how business's work.
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trust me ... Nissan wont be the one paying that 10$ a car... customers will.

Give this guy an award! Why do people not understand: businesses do not pay taxes (or in this case fines). Period. Costs of doing business will eventually be passed on to the consumer.
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Old 04-21-2009, 12:41 AM   #12
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That'd be true is Nissan had a monopoly on cars, but they don't.
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Old 04-21-2009, 12:50 AM   #13
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It's convenient for Big Gov to target automakers, but what about the millions of soot-belching trucks on the road? Absolutely no regulation except low-sulfur diesel fuel. Big frickin' deal, a-holes!
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OK, I never heard of them so I had to look them up:

http://www.obdclearinghouse.com/

I had my hopes up this was to aid car owners, but apparently it's only for communications between automakers and public officials.
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Old 04-21-2009, 09:40 AM   #15
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WTF man this green thing is just getting stupid.
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Old 04-21-2009, 09:47 AM   #16
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If I speed and get a ticket, I'm not going to bitch and blame over regulation even if my speedometer is borked.
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