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Old 04-21-2009, 02:29 PM   #1
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It appears that the new Toyota Land Cruiser will receive another V8 engine, smaller and more powerful. The vehicle uses for the moment the 4.7-liter engine but according to our sources, the new engine will be smaller, a 4.6-liter V8, and will develop 318 hp instead of 288 as well as 460 Nm of torque. The engine, used also by the Lexus LS460, will be connected to an 6-speed automatic gearbox and will deliver a better fuel efficiency, around 14 l/100 km.
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Old 04-21-2009, 03:34 PM   #2
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Looks like they copped off a mini van and stuck it on that things back.
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Old 04-21-2009, 03:47 PM   #3
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i saw a Lexus LX570 (landcrusier) the other day. 80k pricetag FTL!
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Old 04-21-2009, 03:48 PM   #4
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Next to jacked-up trucks, these things are one of the things I absolutely HATE driving behind.
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Old 04-21-2009, 05:59 PM   #5
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Doesn't the Landcruiser in the U.S. use the 5.7?

Edit: Yup, the Landcruiser only gets the 5.7 engine here, and this would affect ROW only.
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I *think* they migh be talking about the Land Cruiser Prado (120 series) which is this country is sold as the Lexus GX470 and the Toyota 4Runner. Both of those curently use the 4.7 which is being replaced with a superior 4.6.
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Old 04-21-2009, 10:17 PM   #7
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Next to jacked-up trucks, these things are one of the things I absolutely HATE driving behind.
They are the same size or smaller than Yukons, Tahoes, Suburbans, Expeditions, Armadas, Sequoias, Escalades, Navigators, etc. These actually have great off-road capabilities compared to the previously listed vehicles.


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Old 04-21-2009, 10:23 PM   #8
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Next to jacked-up trucks, these things are one of the things I absolutely HATE driving behind.
slow down, give a little extra space.......
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Old 04-22-2009, 01:16 AM   #9
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Best off-road car ever produced along with the nissan patrol (I owned both the 100 then switched to the GU3 patrol)

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I *think* they migh be talking about the Land Cruiser Prado (120 series) which is this country is sold as the Lexus GX470 and the Toyota 4Runner. Both of those curently use the 4.7 which is being replaced with a superior 4.6
nope, they are talking about the 200 series
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This engine is already available in the Tundra and Sequoia.

The Land Cruiser is one of the most useful SUVs in the world, and not just cheap space like the Tahoe and Expedition. Too bad that the $65,000 cost means that many of them won't be going off road. I went to the Taste of Lexus yuppie marketing attraction and when the girl in the LX570 was demonstrating the air suspension in off-road mode, all of us in the car laughed that none of us would take an $80,000 luxury SUV offroad.
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This engine is already available in the Tundra and Sequoia.

The Land Cruiser is one of the most useful SUVs in the world, and not just cheap space like the Tahoe and Expedition. Too bad that the $65,000 cost means that many of them won't be going off road. I went to the Taste of Lexus yuppie marketing attraction and when the girl in the LX570 was demonstrating the air suspension in off-road mode, all of us in the car laughed that none of us would take an $80,000 luxury SUV offroad.
There is a thread over at ih8mud where people post their trail damage on their 200 series Land Cruiser. I would like to have the coin to be able to rip up the bottom of my $70k SUV and not think twice about it.
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I think it is hard for the American scene to appreciate these trucks since they cost so much, and you can get a Suburban or whatever for much less, but if you actually go to parts of Africa and the Middle East (labeled as Toyotas), they absolutely swear by these things... One look at some of the crap they put these SUV's through is all it takes to understand why.

Yes, they are expensive, but they can take a licking like no other.. seriously..

Consider them an expensive investment like the Hummer H1... Expensive as heck, but could definitely back it up.. It is just that the American market doesn't really know this about the Landcruiser yet.
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I think it is hard for the American scene to appreciate these trucks since they cost so much, and you can get a Suburban or whatever for much less, but if you actually go to parts of Africa and the Middle East (labeled as Toyotas), they absolutely swear by these things... One look at some of the crap they put these SUV's through is all it takes to understand why.

Yes, they are expensive, but they can take a licking like no other.. seriously..

Consider them an expensive investment like the Hummer H1... Expensive as heck, but could definitely back it up.. It is just that the American market doesn't really know this about the Landcruiser yet.
and they already been turboed/supercharged buy some guys in UAE and Qatar (I mean the 4.7L version) and some of them make over 700hp
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They are the same size or smaller than Yukons, Tahoes, Suburbans, Expeditions, Armadas, Sequoias, Escalades, Navigators, etc. These actually have great off-road capabilities compared to the previously listed vehicles.

They are taller than most, when the others are wider.

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You forget I live in Texas. 1 out of every 3 vehicles is a truck/suv, probably more nowadays. My state would rank 7th in CO2 emissions if it were a nation. If you drive a car here, it is a constant battle for visibility. Just hanging back does nothing when surrounded all the time.
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I didn't know that the 200 Series was available anywhere in the world now with the 4.7. I thought it was the 5.7 or diesel with manual trans.

As I understand it, part of the reason the Landcruiser is so expensive and durable is that it is built as a 1 ton truck and with the highest quality Toyota knows rather than say the Sequoia for the US market that is actually larger and with the same engine but 1/2 the price in part because it is a 1/2 ton truck.
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SUV lovefest... LOL hmmm must have a Toyota badge, shocker!!
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SUV lovefest... LOL hmmm must have a Toyota badge, shocker!!
2000wrx cryfest... LOL hmmmm must be a Toyota thread, shocker!!

The lovefest has much more to do with the Land Cruiser badge than the Toyota badge. You'll see similar love for any SUV thread that features a true, capable offroad SUV (Jeep, LR, etc.)
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I didn't know that the 200 Series was available anywhere in the world now with the 4.7. I thought it was the 5.7 or diesel with manual trans.

As I understand it, part of the reason the Landcruiser is so expensive and durable is that it is built as a 1 ton truck and with the highest quality Toyota knows rather than say the Sequoia for the US market that is actually larger and with the same engine but 1/2 the price in part because it is a 1/2 ton truck.
The Sequoia has some pretty burly components too--just look at the rear-end/differential. While the Land Cruiser is a quality vehicle, I am sure that much of the price difference is profit... due to its legacy... .
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nope, they are talking about the 200 series
I have to disagree, AMG Hummer '97.5/'98, Hummer H1 '04, & Hummer H1 Alpha '06 are the top contenders for best.
Followed by the D90.

I don't know how toyota/lexus keeps selling these things. They keep getting uglier and are very rare to see anywhere besides tarmac in the states. At elast offer a cheaper turbo diesel model for christ's sake.

Top Gear Aus took it on a off road expedition with the Range Rover and Q7. The Rover beat it, hands down.
However, it probably has a better aftermarket support than the RR.

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The Sequoia has some pretty burly components too--just look at the rear-end/differential. While the Land Cruiser is a quality vehicle, I am sure that much of the price difference is profit... due to its legacy... .
In other countries where the Land Cruiser is a working vehicle, the price is much lower, but it has the duties in the United States of being Toyota's flagship vehicle and is only sold fully loaded.

The first Sequoia's chassis was virtually that of the 100 series Land Cruiser stretched.
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I have to disagree, AMG Hummer '97.5/'98, Hummer H1 '04, & Hummer H1 Alpha '06 are the top contenders for best.
Followed by the D90.

I don't know how toyota/lexus keeps selling these things. They keep getting uglier and are very rare to see anywhere besides tarmac in the states. At elast offer a cheaper turbo diesel model for christ's sake.

Top Gear Aus took it on a off road expedition with the Range Rover and Q7. The Rover beat it, hands down.
However, it probably has a better aftermarket support than the RR.

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Actually - the rover and landcruiser are the defacto standard in countries where paved roads are rare. Though the version of Landcruiser and rover is different comercial vs private use. The more workhorse comercial versions are based on older boxy styles on full box frame chassies. They run military grade 9ply tires and the key things that make both the Landcruiser and Rover top choices are their capability- durability and fuel consumption all of which do not play into western luxury SUV purchases - which is why the private ie western landcruiser and Rovers are meer shadows of their commercial versions.

The GM bastardized Hummer is both to large and seriously lacking in usable space - milege - durability and milege to even come close to commercial needs in countries where the landcruiser and Rovers are the taxi - local bus - tourist transport and park ranger transportation etc.

My 1993 Landcruiser is the same landcruiser driven by the UN and found in many countries where roads are unpredictable and the vehicle can be the difference of having a long brutal trip or not making it period. The only difference is that the UN and other countries out side the US have diesel models which post twice the milege as my gas version - they also have 2-3 times the range of my gas version. The new Landcruisers outside the US run 4.5L turbo diesel engines still capable of close to 24mpg US standard - yet produce lots of reliable power so they can still do the things the Landcruiser was designed for. Hauling people and gear long distances in less than ideal conditions as safe as possible.

There are no American Jeeps found in Africa - there are no GM hummers found in Africa. But there are alot of Landcruisers - Rovers and Mitsubishi knock offs of the Rover and Landcruiser - that and Nissan is also very common with their durable and quite capable diesel SUV's and pickups. All of which are smaller than US SUV's - and have much much more range and capability than US off road vehicles.

American's are funny they think their SUV's are the best. But they drive "suv's" with tires that would never last a day in most of the countries where they are truly used - instead they drive SUV's with soft tires to make the ride smoother - they buy suv's with interiors that would get destroyed after just a few days on the dusty dirty - muddy roads where these vehicles are a nessesity not a status symbol.

There isn't a single SUV sold in the US that comes close to what is actually used in places where they are a necessity and for good reason - US consumers don't need them and would never see the value in 9ply tires - very stiff riding suspensions and interiors you can hose out with a hose. So stop comparing US luxury vehicles with - basic and nessisary transportation found in countries where pavement is as rare as Americans.
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I have to disagree, AMG Hummer '97.5/'98, Hummer H1 '04, & Hummer H1 Alpha '06 are the top contenders for best.
Followed by the D90.

I don't know how toyota/lexus keeps selling these things. They keep getting uglier and are very rare to see anywhere besides tarmac in the states. At elast offer a cheaper turbo diesel model for christ's sake.

Top Gear Aus took it on a off road expedition with the Range Rover and Q7. The Rover beat it, hands down.
However, it probably has a better aftermarket support than the RR.

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Wow!! who needs a nice looking 4wd for offroad use??
The D90 is a great 4wd and very capable (acually I wish if I had one ) but the H1 is crap!!! it's very huge and not easy to drive in narrow roads and not as reliable as toyota/nissan 4wd cars
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There isn't a single SUV sold in the US that comes close to what is actually used in places where they are a necessity and for good reason - US consumers don't need them and would never see the value in 9ply tires - very stiff riding suspensions and interiors you can hose out with a hose. So stop comparing US luxury vehicles with - basic and nessisary transportation found in countries where pavement is as rare as Americans.

True in part..........but as you well know, the chassis and 4 wheel drive systems of the Land Cruiser 200, Lexus GX470 (Land Cruiser 120 Prado), and the Mercedes G-Wagen sold here are the same as those sold in the rest of the world even if the springs are softer, the tires weaker and the engines different.
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I think it is hard for the American scene to appreciate these trucks since they cost so much, and you can get a Suburban or whatever for much less, but if you actually go to parts of Africa and the Middle East (labeled as Toyotas), they absolutely swear by these things... One look at some of the crap they put these SUV's through is all it takes to understand why.

Yes, they are expensive, but they can take a licking like no other.. seriously..

Consider them an expensive investment like the Hummer H1... Expensive as heck, but could definitely back it up.. It is just that the American market doesn't really know this about the Landcruiser yet.
Ya know, it's not just this LandCrusier either... outside of North America you would be very hard pressed to find any Detroit pickups or SUVs even though many in this country think that 'Merican trucks are the end-all and be-all of the truck world.
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