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Old 04-24-2009, 02:18 AM   #1
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Question Should I Do It ?????

Ok so i have a 2007 2.5i with 64000 miles on it. Upgrades include injen cai, header back exhaust, lowering springs, wheels, tinted windows, sti short throw, momo shifter know, and painted calipers. Although that is all fine and dandy i got to thinking to myself tonight...... how much money will i have to dump in this thing just to make it run like a wrx? Of course facing the facts and answering myself truthfully, WAY to much! So i found an 06 wrx for sale at a dealership a little over an hour way. 41000 miles, clean and completley stock. I am thinking about putting all the stock stuff back on my 2.5i and trading it in on the wrx. My car is in excellent condition, but the catch is i still owe just over 17 grand on it. And im expecting between 8-9 thousand as a trade in. So i will have a lot of negitive equity to roll over on top of that wrx. Is it worth it? I am honestly tired of dumping money and hope and dreams into my 2.5i and pretending its a wrx. Although i do love my 2.5i i just cant see myself pouring more money into it.

Is this trade and loss in money worth it??? and i know this is the wrong thread, But know anybody that wants some aftermarket 2.5i stuff? Let me know your thoughts bc i am really pondering on this decision.
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Old 04-24-2009, 12:04 PM   #2
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You owe 17 on a 2.5i?! How much negative equity do you roll into it?!!?! Your payments would be crazy on the wrx if you had good enough credit to even make that work. Just sell all your parts and drive it like a DD. Instead of getting owned on a new car, just get a little turbo project car if you're intent on having something faster. I've always had a turbo eclipse or honda on the side lol.

PS. I'm in the same boat you are, but I only owe like $13.5k.
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Old 04-24-2009, 12:53 PM   #3
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I am honestly tired of dumping money and hope and dreams into my 2.5i and pretending its a wrx.
Another one sees the light!

Agreed with above, though - being that far "upside-down" is going to hurt!
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Old 04-24-2009, 01:01 PM   #4
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Donít be a financial slave to the car, there are better assets to be a slave to: house. Keep the 2.5i and look for cheaper project cars to work on.
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Old 04-24-2009, 01:04 PM   #5
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i'm in the EXACT same boat. i have an '07 with 57,000 miles. mods are limited to Prodrive springs but that's irrelevant. i'm upside down on mine as well as i had to roll over a sizeable chunk from my Chevy Tahoe. i too drove a WRX and was ready to make the change. that's when i did the research. i've already played the games and done the math on this one (actually did this again last night). the deal is the dealers will see if they can sell the car and if not they pull up what similar cars go for at the auctions and give you the highest amount. that being said, you're looking between $8k and $9k. it bites b/c the car is worth more than that to you, but... i've looked at selling privately and doing the loan thing but the fact is you could still have a decent monthly payment just to get you into the WRX. my suggestion is to drive it, enjoy it, and at some point if you get a good enough offer for it, then you can sell it. this is the probably with being too far upside down on a car. like i said, i'm not lecturing because due to circumstance i had to do the exact same thing. but stop and realize that if you turn that much over on a WRX you'll be driving a bone stock $35k WRX. doh!

just trying to offer my advice as i'm in the same boat. best of luck!
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Old 04-24-2009, 01:36 PM   #6
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It's not worth it, don't roll money over into a new car. What's wrong with the 2.5i? My rs is faster than most wrx's on the street and a lot more fun to drive. Over all I have probably spent almost as much on it if I would have just bought wrx but i would rather be driving my rs than a stock wrx. ...and on the track my rs is faster than some sti's.
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Old 04-24-2009, 01:47 PM   #7
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It's not worth it, don't roll money over into a new car. What's wrong with the 2.5i? My rs is faster than most wrx's on the street and a lot more fun to drive. Over all I have probably spent almost as much on it if I would have just bought wrx but i would rather be driving my rs than a stock wrx. ...and on the track my rs is faster than some sti's.
Well if that's the case then you must really be a great driver and have put a substantial amount of money into your car. I just don't believe the part about the STi's.

07ImprezaMB, I will tell you this much. I just sold my '04 STi. I wanted to get out of debt. I also own an '02 WRX that is paid for. To be quite honest, my WRX is more fun to drive in my opinion. It is my daily driver and I love it.

It would kind of be the same for you in the case that if you decided to upgrade to a WRX of the same year or newer you would feel the pain once you started paying toward your new car and began to realize that you have gotten yourself into a tough position.

If I were you, try to trade your car for an older WRX if you must have a WRX. Just my $.02. Hopefully it all works out for you. But above all, don't get yourself into a much harder financial position!
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Old 04-24-2009, 01:58 PM   #8
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yea here is the thing. i found a 2006 wrx for 16777 and i can get between 8500 and 9000 as a trade in, so that would knock the price down down to about 8000, then roll over the 7000 or so i still owe on the 2.5i im only paying about 16000 for it!!! so it evens out! technically im not even paying anymore for the wrx im just about breaking even. only thing is that wrx is 3 and a half hours away.........
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Old 04-24-2009, 01:59 PM   #9
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What do you want to do with it? If you want to go from point "a" to point "b" as fast as possible, or pass cars on the highway without down shifting, then your're better off with a WRX or a turbo-project-car. You're just not going to come close to wrx performance with bolt-on components for flat out acceleration without posing serious dammage to your motor. If it's autocross and winding roads that turns you on, then keep modding your 2.5i. As a rule, N/A cars fair better than turbo cars for this because the turbo is always spooling while in the corners and creates inconsistant power, whereas with N/A cars, the power cuve is usually more constant and predictable. I have the 2006 2.5i impreza and I knew what it was when I bought it. I wanted the WRX but i couldnt afford it at the time. I'm running the injen CAI (currently connected as an SRI), injen SES catback, and a kartboy short shifter. I have not dyno tested it but I calculated that I'm in the mid to high 180's. I can tell you that there is a significant difference over stock. I'm not planning to break speed records with it (cuz it can't), but after some suspension upgrades it will be a bada*s autocross car. Don't try to turbo your EJ253 motor cus it WILL go boom. Also keep in mind that horsepower isnt everything. HP ia a magical number that really means nothing untill you figure in torque (where you can measure the ACTUAL work the engine does), and total weight. If you look at your 2.5i's specs and compare it to other 4 banger cars, you will see that the EJ253 motor puts out more torque than most other cars in the same "class". The flipside is that the 2.5i 3200lb chubbie.
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Old 04-24-2009, 02:06 PM   #10
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alright so i have an 07 2.5i with 30k on mine, bought it with 7k on it, bought it for 15,000 1 yr ago. and put 2500 down on it, so after taxes and registration it was 17,500, however w/ downpayment, 15,000 again. my car values at around 12k with what i have for mileage and the condition. i have the same mods done to mine too, injen full cai, borla headers back, seibon cf hood, tints, wrx wing, prodrive gold p1's 17" with dunlop performance tires, sound system. in my case, it could possibly be worth it to swap to a wrx (tr model prolly and just do all those diy projects to it to make it look nicer) however,.... YOU'RE SCREWED and totally not worth it, (no offense) you still owe 17k on it with 64k miles. ur best bet is to sell it privately then take the money with some extra cash saved up if possible and pay off the car. which will help your credit having a loan fully paid off of such value. then go and get that wrx you want so badly, otherwise you will prolly regret the amount of debt u put urself into. but then again, thats just my 2 cents.
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Old 04-24-2009, 02:16 PM   #11
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yea here is the thing. i found a 2006 wrx for 16777 and i can get between 8500 and 9000 as a trade in, so that would knock the price down down to about 8000, then roll over the 7000 or so i still owe on the 2.5i im only paying about 16000 for it!!! so it evens out! technically im not even paying anymore for the wrx im just about breaking even. only thing is that wrx is 3 and a half hours away.........
Bump. what is our opinion on this ^^^^^
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Old 04-24-2009, 02:23 PM   #12
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I think you should stop wasting your money and be happy with what you got, IMHO.
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Old 04-24-2009, 03:39 PM   #13
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As I mentioned above, you might want to look into an "Older" wrx. I would say 02, 03, 04 or 05 at the latest.

Since they are the earlier body style you might be able to get a little better deal on something a little older.

As mentioned, I have an '02 WRX with 150,000 miles on it and it runs like a champ. No problems at all. I sold my STi to save money and I will be putting some money into my bugeye.
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Old 04-24-2009, 03:42 PM   #14
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Stay put hahahah 1$7K on a car that might be worth $13K pay it down bro then do the deed
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Old 04-24-2009, 04:21 PM   #15
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Wow holy **** you owe 17k on a 2.5i?

I bought my 2.5i for 15k and i only owe about 6.5k more (dropped all my money on it and plan on selling it next year).

and im only 17 and i pay for insurance, gas, etc
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Old 04-25-2009, 09:51 AM   #16
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I'd believe his RS is faster than some STi's on the track. It's entirely plausible.
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Old 04-25-2009, 10:55 AM   #17
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I'd believe his RS is faster than some STi's on the track. It's entirely plausible.
Oh definitely.

Don't make a bad decision just because you want something soon or right away. I'm sure you can wait a bit longer. RS's really aren't that bad; I have no burning urge to purchase a WRX or STI, even in the future (contrary to what all my friends think )
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Old 04-25-2009, 11:26 AM   #18
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wow dude 64k on an 07? i got my 07 in nov 06 . paid cash and have like 27k on the dial .

how do you owe so much on this car?

if you have the money and want somethin different go for it !

if you have to finance 17k you need a second job or a better paying first one . personally i would just stick with the car i had if i owed money.

i am 100% debt free . its a great feeling not being a slave to the bank .

your situation sounds f'ed up . good luck in your desision.
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also dont think of your car as having "equity" automobiles are not investments , they are tools .

in the world of assets and liabilities an auto is a huge liability and a luxury . after second thinking you may be better served by saving your money and buying a bus pass
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Old 04-25-2009, 12:38 PM   #20
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have you even thought about insurance and extra gas costs for the wrx?
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Old 04-25-2009, 02:26 PM   #21
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I have a feeling you're going to fall into debt or some trap like most of the unaware home buyers out there.

Appreciate what you have.
You dumped all your money and now you want to get something else?
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Old 04-25-2009, 04:42 PM   #22
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Hey guys thanks for your input, but i made my decision, im keeping the 2.5i. At least for another year. Im buying a crotch rocket in 2 weeks so. If i want to go fast ill just jump on that.
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Donít be a financial slave to the car, there are better assets to be a slave to: house. Keep the 2.5i and look for cheaper project cars to work on.
+1 Paying for a house/car. My exact doing right now!


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Hey guys thanks for your input, but i made my decision, im keeping the 2.5i. At least for another year. Im buying a crotch rocket in 2 weeks so. If i want to go fast ill just jump on that.
Haha perfect!

But What I would do is pay off the 2.5i keep it as a DD and then buy a Wrx when you have no debt and make that s**T a beast!
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I'd believe his RS is faster than some STi's on the track. It's entirely plausible.
my friend, who is a semi pro driver, drove my 2.5 at an autocross and was less than a second behind the STi's...on a short track STi's have no upperhand
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Hello! I from Russia! Is it possible to make the 4 – throttle body for Subaru EJ20 – atmosphere (non turbo) engine?
Now I have uniflow discharge 2,5 inch & STi muffler
I know that on turbo engeens 4-throttle bodys were some times instolled, but will it be working on mine Sub?
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