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Old 04-27-2009, 06:21 PM   #51
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Old 04-27-2009, 06:43 PM   #52
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Numbers are numbers man, if the M5 was called the cumcatcher but still produced 500hp with a topspeed near 200mph, I would still drive it...
Speaking of names, Ford has it right with the new Taurus. It appeals to people beyond the traditional Taurus clientele, but at the same time, Ford is guaranteed a few repeat buyers and a lot more people putting it on their shopping list by of its name rather than if it had been i.e. the Ford Scorpio. Pontiac made the automotive dilettantes fall in love with the G8, but it didn't translate into sales since regular Pontiac buyers didn't know what the hell a G8 was and its Australianness should have been played down, not up.

For most of us, products speak louder than names. I wouldn't mind driving a HSV Senator if it was imported here and called a Buick Park Avenue Ultra.
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Old 04-27-2009, 07:53 PM   #53
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Pontiac made the automotive dilettantes fall in love with the G8, but it didn't translate into sales since regular Pontiac buyers didn't know what the hell a G8 was and its Australianness should have been played down, not up.
They did get in trouble with the GTO though. That being said the G8 should have been a Grand Prix GTP and get rid of the current Grand Prix POS.
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Old 04-27-2009, 08:22 PM   #54
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I am sad to see Pontiac go. My first and second cars were both Pontiacs. Had there been a RWD Pontiac available when I bought my WRX, I might have bought another one. I still may pick up a G8 GT or GXP to add to the fleet if they start giving them away... .
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Old 04-27-2009, 10:32 PM   #55
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if i can get a killer deal on a GXP i might be down to own one
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Old 04-27-2009, 10:59 PM   #56
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TheGMSource - I feel the need to clarify something for those around the Internet this afternoon. LeftLaneNews.com today is reporting that "no Pontiac will be rebadged" and that all of the brands names will disappear and will their vehicles. The story is only partially correct. Here's what was asked of Fritz, and what Fritz had in reponse to the question.

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Will the Solstice or Vibe go to another GM brand once Pontiac is eliminated?

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"Solstice...no. Vibe we're talking with Toyota about and may run it into the 2010 model year as one of the last Pontiacs remaining."

The words are pretty clear and direct and only addressed two models. The Solstice and the Vibe. The Left Lane News story is right. There will be no more Pontiacs after 2010 except for the Vibe and even that's only a slight possibility. Left Lane News is also right in saying that the Pontiac G8 will not be made past 2010.

However I'm receiving e-mails and reading chatter around the Internet that the story states the G8 won't replace the Impala or be added to the Chevrolet brand. That's absolutely false. As I wrote yesterday, the design and engineering work is already done on the underpinnings of a rear-wheel-drive sedan for the North American market. The G8 while naturally not with the G8 name WILL continue to live another day in North America.

The Pontiac G8 was the best RETAIL car sold by Pontiac in the month of March. It outsold the Pontiac G6. It also cemented the fact that American consumers are receptive to the idea of a mainstream rear-wheel-drive sedan within General Motors North American Operations.

In speaking today with somebody close to the situation I brought the exact point up regarding the G8 sale success and what it means about a rear-wheel-drive sedan for the United States. Here's what I got:

"The G8 is going to be a real loss to the market, but, as you say, someone will likely fill that spot at some point."

Chevrolet or Buick? One of them stands to gain a rear-wheel-drive sedan to replace the sales volume of the G8.
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FYI.... Chevy techs are currently being trained to handle all G8 maintenance and warranty issues that may arise.
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Old 04-27-2009, 11:12 PM   #57
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TheGMSource - With news breaking over the weekend that General Motors is expected to announce the Pontiac brand is closing many have wondered what will happen to the G8. As we reported a few days ago, the Pontiac G8 was the best selling retail car for Pontiac in the month of March.

The G8 is a well designed and engineered rear-wheel-drive sedan. Luckily the engineering and design won't go to waste as we can report that the highly anticipated shift of the Chevrolet Impala to rear-wheel-drive will happen afterall.

Enthusiasts and auto rags have predicted the Impala will move to rear-wheel-drive for several years. GM announced two years ago that the Impala would stay FWD and continue to be produced at GM's Oshawa assembly plant in Canada. While it's unknown if the current Impala will limp on with no cosmetic changes we do know that the replacement for the Impala will come in the form of a rebaged Pontiac G8.

What we can confirm is that as of three months ago GM's Holden division had plans to produce the Pontiac G8 through 2011. While rumors pegged the G8 production moving to Canada as early as next year those reports are false. In February of this year GM began to gauge suppliers for 2011 contracts for the G8 to be produced in Australia.

At tomorrows announcement it is expected GM will announce the Pontiac G8 will run its course until 2011 when the car will no longer be produced wearing the Pontiac badge. Production of other Zeta models is then expected to move to Oshawa, Canada. The Oshawa plant currently has "production rights" to the Impala name much like the St. Therese plant had production rights to the Camaro name.

While we don't know if the rear-wheel-drive Impala will have any significant sheetmetal differences from the G8, we can confirm that once the G8 production cycle ends in 2011, the Impala returns to its rear-wheel-drive roots in 2012.

One intersting piece of information to note. Our "Most Viewed Story" is a story rumoring the "2010 Rear-Wheel-Drive Impala." We have nearly 100,000 page views to date on that story and continue to add to that total everyday. To say there's excitement about a rear-wheel-drive Impala would be an understatement.
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Old 04-28-2009, 03:37 AM   #58
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While General Motors’ decision to bin Pontiac will have an undoubtedly profound effect on its US operations and employees, the ripples of GM’s announcement are already being felt here in Australia.

As the sole manufacturer of the Pontiac G8 sports sedan (essentially an SS Commodore in LHD clothing), Holden will lose a potentially huge export market when Pontiac closes up shop.

The G8 line will be phased out by the end of this year, however Holden spokesman Scott Whiffin assures us that Pontiac’s closure will have no effect on local jobs.
“G8’s are assembled at our plant at Elizabeth SA where we have been modifying our production volumes and we will continue to do so,” said Whiffin.

“Notwithstanding the fact that this has only just been announced, we don’t envisage there will be any job losses at Elizabeth as a result of this decision.”

Despite receiving critical acclaim from American motoring scribes, G8 sales got off to a suprisingly slow start. Last month’s sales were, however, the G8’s best and the loss of an export market potentially worth $1 billion will surely leave Holden smarting.

To compensate, Holden will be examining what opportunities may exist in other export markets; with China, the Middle East and South Korea being current export destinations that may hold further riches for Holden.

The Commodore could eventually find its way back to the USA badged as a Chevy too (it’s currently sold in the Middle East as the Chevy Lumina), however Whiffin says it’s too early to speculate on whether this will be the case. GM’s Bob Lutz has said in the past that the only Zeta-platformed car that will remain on sale in the US into the next century is the Chevrolet Camaro, but hey, economic crises certainly have a way of “restructuring” product plans.


So while Pontiac aficionados may weep, Holden fans (and Holden employees) can rest easy for now. Holden forecast last year that G8 sales would go down the tube once the economic crisis hit, and thanks to its savvy production re-alignment (G8 production is now “essentially zero”) Holden’s line workers will hardly notice the difference now that Pontiac is gone.
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Old 04-28-2009, 05:39 AM   #59
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While it probably will make it to the US as a Chevy, don't count on it being called an Impala. The current FWD Impala has been a pretty good seller for quite some time, so I see no good reason for GM to just drop this model. My guess is that they will add the car formerly known as the G8 as their top sedan, instead of replacing anything they have now.

My hope is that if they do indeed give the car to Chevy, that they don't simply rebadge the G8 bodywork, and instead use the Holden HSV sheetmetal.

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Old 04-28-2009, 06:19 AM   #60
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While it probably will make it to the US as a Chevy, don't count on it being called an Impala. The current FWD Impala has been a pretty good seller for quite some time, so I see no good reason for GM to just drop this model. My guess is that they will add the car formerly known as the G8 as their top sedan, instead of replacing anything they have now.

My hope is that if they do indeed give the car to Chevy, that they don't simply rebadge the G8 bodywork, and instead use the Holden HSV sheetmetal.

Name it Monte Carlo, maybe?
Keep it under 90, folks!
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Old 04-28-2009, 07:42 AM   #61
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Old 04-28-2009, 08:14 AM   #62
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Old 04-28-2009, 08:20 AM   #63
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That's a Middle Easter/Asian edition, right? I REALLY hope we do not get that exact sheetmetal - that grill looks even more hokey than the Pontiac version.
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Old 04-28-2009, 08:34 AM   #64
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I am seriously considering swapping my Legacy for a G8 GT/GXP. Going to drive both today...
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Old 04-28-2009, 08:56 AM   #65
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I am seriously considering swapping my Legacy for a G8 GT/GXP. Going to drive both today...
I wouldn't consider taking a bath on the Legacy for anything less than the GXP. The GT isn't that great, IMO.

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That's a Middle Easter/Asian edition, right? I REALLY hope we do not get that exact sheetmetal - that grill looks even more hokey than the Pontiac version.
Looks like the Aveo's grille - yuck.

If they bring over the next gen G8 as the Impala, RWD, V8 and all, they'll sell boatloads of them.
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Name it Monte Carlo, maybe?
Keep it under 90, folks!

Or how about bring the Chevelle back to life.
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Old 04-28-2009, 01:50 PM   #67
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How about the Chevy Nova or Chevy Bel Air?

... on second thought, they are probably best off coming up with a brand new name.
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Old 04-28-2009, 02:33 PM   #68
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... on second thought, they are probably best off coming up with a brand new name.
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Old 04-28-2009, 04:57 PM   #69
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I give Michigan about 3 years before it looks like a set for Fallout: The Movie.

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TheGMSource - When Fritz Henderson announced yesterday that the Pontiac brand was getting the ax before the end of 2010 there were some surprises. One of the biggest surprises was how quickly the brand would be cut from GM's portfolio.

But even more surprising was when Fritz said that the G8 would essentially end GM's import relationship with Holden "before the end of 2009." Fritz may want to get in touch with his Australian counterparts. We've spoken to several overseas suppliers that tell us Pontiac G8 production is contracted out through the 2010 model year.

Suppliers have begun work on 2010 production of the G8 and we'd venture a guess that GM may have some 'splaining to do. If the G8 ends production before the end of 2009 what happens to the contracts already in place for production of the car? Is GM distancing of itself from the Holden brand a way for Holden to declare it's own bankruptcy to break these contracts or will GM have to pick up the tab for breaking the contracts? The suppliers want some answers and we're pretty sure they'll get 'em.

We should have some answers on the these contracts sometime next week and when we know, you'll know.
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THe most approachable, affordable, useable, fun to drive, and good looking car in GM's line up and they are killing it. Plus they are distancing themselves from the company that made this great car.

Its like they are deathly allergic to quality
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THe most approachable, affordable, useable, fun to drive, and good looking car in GM's line up and they are killing it. Plus they are distancing themselves from the company that made this great car.

Its like they are deathly allergic to quality
If you are referring to the G8, it doesnt seem like they are selling very well. At both of the dealerships local to me, they havent sold many at all. The grey one I looked at has been on the lot for over 120 days. A good friend is the finance guy at one of the dealerships. He told me they were having a very hard time getting the people who want the G8 financed (young people for the most part), and insurance companies are not being kind to the G8 either. Big engine+young drivers+low sticker=high premiums.
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Suppliers have begun work on 2010 production of the G8 and we'd venture a guess that GM may have some 'splaining to do. If the G8 ends production before the end of 2009 what happens to the contracts already in place for production of the car? Is GM distancing of itself from the Holden brand a way for Holden to declare it's own bankruptcy to break these contracts or will GM have to pick up the tab for breaking the contracts? The suppliers want some answers and we're pretty sure they'll get 'em.

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Let me 'splain something to you Lucy about GM and suppliers "contracts". GM has no problem whatsoever renegging on a contract. How do I know this? The company I was laid off from, that I worked for 5 years for, manufactures forklifts. We had a huge contract with GM to build an entire new fleet of forklifts. We spent millions of dollars in overtime, thousands of man hours doing custom work (overhead guards cut down, special tires, you name it). I personally spent x-mas eve and the day after x-mas laying on a dirty floor putting dc converters in a few hundred of these machines because our supplier ran out during normal prduction.

Guess where those things are right now, 3 years later? Still in storage that my old employer is paying for. GM bailed on the deal after the units were built. The layoffs we had were a direct result of that loss of revenue. They cant sell them because they are specifically designed for GM or a plant very similar to one of thiers. Nobody wants em.
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I said it in another thread, but based on the G8's sales, don't hold your breath. It might happen (and I hope it does), but I'm not expecting it.
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THe most approachable, affordable, useable, fun to drive, and good looking car in GM's line up and they are killing it. Plus they are distancing themselves from the company that made this great car.

Its like they are deathly allergic to quality
No, they are not killing the Aveo.
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