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Old 04-29-2009, 12:20 AM   #1
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OMGHi2U Honda and Toyota make $3100 on each hybrid sold

http://www.autobloggreen.com/2009/04...h-hybrid-sold/

the Nikkei Shinbun reports that honda and toyota make $3100 per hybrid sold. this in contrast to some right wing-nuts who claim that toyota loses money on each prius.

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According to the Japanese newspaper Nikkei (via Green Car Congress), each hybrid that Honda and Toyota sell earns the respective company about $3,100 in profit. Of course, Toyota also sells the Lexus hybrids, which bumps up the average, and the numbers are calculated using 2008 sales of the second-generation Prius, but this is still good news for the Japanese automakers. In fact, Green Car Congress says that the companies make as much money on each hybrid as they do on each small, gasoline-engined vehicle they sell.
this should come as news to some of the wingnuts in this very forum.

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Old 04-29-2009, 12:26 AM   #2
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Old 04-29-2009, 01:09 AM   #3
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And every Hybrid they sell has a larger carbon footprint than any gasoline engine car that is sold today. Has anyone researched what it takes to produce the main battery cell in these cars? It's staggering to say the least...
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Old 04-29-2009, 02:03 AM   #4
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Has anyone researched what it takes to produce the main battery cell in these cars?

Did the thread title ask anyone to do any research? Toyota AND Honda pays to mine the nickle and STILL makes $3100 on each hybrid...and somewhere in the world a mining slave chain is in full free market bloom. Brings a proud tear to Rush's eye...
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Old 04-29-2009, 02:19 AM   #5
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all of the cars get sold at invoice or below sticker at my dealership
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Old 04-29-2009, 02:25 AM   #6
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Wow. A whopping $3k.

I could make that at the corner of Wooster and Chestnut St. in about 6 hours slangin' ready-rock.

(Not that I would, but could.)

Seriously, that's sad.

Even more sad is the above-mentioned fact that they are worse on the environment than gasoline-powered cars.

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Old 04-29-2009, 03:10 AM   #7
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Did the thread title ask anyone to do any research? Toyota AND Honda pays to mine the nickle and STILL makes $3100 on each hybrid...and somewhere in the world a mining slave chain is in full free market bloom. Brings a proud tear to Rush's eye...
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Old 04-29-2009, 08:25 AM   #8
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The domestics make over $10,000 on each prem pickup or SUV.
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Old 04-29-2009, 09:00 AM   #9
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Correction, domestics USE to make 10k profit on each SUV. Those gravy days are over.

I am glad to know that prius drivers support slave chain gangs. If you have a problem with nickle mines, poor working conditions, metal poisoning, etc, then dont buy a prius. Its that simple, but if you want to raise your nose and say your greener than I am, which you probably are, then buy one.

Image over substance folks. Thats the motto of the 21st century. Its better to appear green, than to actually be green. Toyota figured this out. Kudos for them for milking it for all its worth. As long as the 3 brain celled hollywood starlets keep making these cars vogue, then I would keep shoveling them with both hands and my feet if I could make a profit.
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Old 04-29-2009, 10:28 AM   #10
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In fact, Green Car Congress says that the companies make as much money on each hybrid as they do on each small, gasoline-engined vehicle they sell.
OK, but the profit on econoboxes is more like $300 each not $3000. So that $3000 per hybrid number must be significantly skewed by the Lexus figures.
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Old 04-29-2009, 12:12 PM   #11
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And every Hybrid they sell has a larger carbon footprint than any gasoline engine car that is sold today. Has anyone researched what it takes to produce the main battery cell in these cars? It's staggering to say the least...
Less pollution and oil dependency in America in exchange for pollution in another country? Sounds like a good deal to me.
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Old 04-29-2009, 01:19 PM   #12
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I cannot argue with that logic...JC

well said...
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http://www.autobloggreen.com/2009/04...h-hybrid-sold/

the Nikkei Shinbun reports that honda and toyota make $3100 per hybrid sold. this in contrast to some right wing-nuts who claim that toyota loses money on each prius.



this should come as news to some of the wingnuts in this very forum.
There are a few questions to be asked. Is that worldwide sales? Is that JDM only? USA only?

Is this assuming incentives into the money they made? Like, if toyota was offering an incentive in december to sell all of the priuses they could (kind of like the 08 subaru selloff for 7k off msrp) but ended up selling them for a higher price, is that counted as part of the profit?

another things of note..

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Which I would say that the bulk of those cars were sold in reaction to the oil price skyrocketing. If people remember, they couldn't bring the prius over here fast enough, I'm sure they were being sold at a premium over the actual MSRP to people who are willing to.

For the rest of the year???

I'm sure that these numbers are just as verifiable as people who say the manufacturers pay for each one, they just have a different set of numbers.
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Old 04-29-2009, 03:32 PM   #14
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How does the saying go? There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.
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Old 04-29-2009, 06:16 PM   #15
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And every Hybrid they sell has a larger carbon footprint than any gasoline engine car that is sold today. Has anyone researched what it takes to produce the main battery cell in these cars? It's staggering to say the least...
you're full of crap.


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Old 04-29-2009, 07:31 PM   #16
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Toyota have been making a profit per Hybrid sold since late 2003 (as has been said in a number of interviews by head Toyota Japan people). One of the reasons for this was that the R&D costs were split against all their hybrid models; rather than lumping it all into the first (or a per model) cost.
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So this thread is going to be another one of those Nasioc resident right wing kooks picnic?
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That graph hurts my head
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Old 04-29-2009, 08:17 PM   #19
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The domestics make over $10,000 on each prem pickup or SUV.


And they are still going under.
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So this thread is going to be another one of those Nasioc resident right wing kooks picnic?
You need us right wing kooks to balance out all the left wing wackos spouting off. In a perfect world we should cancel each other out and moderates on both sides will run the country.

Man, talk about the best plans going array
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Ackkkk! Where in the heck is the real reference for any of this information? The only info I saw that was worth a damn was the graph. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't batteries recycled? My shop generates about 300 pounds a week in various used batteries. We have a company that pays us to pick up our used batteries. Lets see, mining for battery components that can be recycled, or drilling for oil that gets burned, never to be used in any form again, except to breathe the leftovers....
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Whether you are liberal or conservative, both groups can agree we need to reduce our dependence on foreign oil which also has the "bonus" of reducing emissions for the proposed solutions. Hybrids are a very short-term improvement, but a better stop gap would be natural gas, which would not require major changes to existing vehicles and would reduce emissions and use a natural resource which is abundant in the U.S. Then we can move on to hydrogen fuel cells in the future. If we are going to spend billions and billions of dollars on trying to become energy independent and reduce emissions, let's start with a real solution and start upgrading our infrastructure to support natural gas and a future of hydrogen fuel cells, instead of dancing around the issue by focusing on short-sighted solutions like hybrids, ethanol and CAFE requirements.
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You need us right wing kooks to balance out all the left wing wackos spouting off. In a perfect world we should cancel each other out and moderates on both sides will run the country.

Man, talk about the best plans going array
Ok, fair enough. Kook on!
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OK, but the profit on econoboxes is more like $300 each not $3000. So that $3000 per hybrid number must be significantly skewed by the Lexus figures.
You got it right. I doubt Toyota is currently making a profit on the Prius. The average doesn't tell the whole story.

Averages aren't very good statistics because they don't reveal much. You can make nothing on 1 million cars you sell and make $10k on the 500k trucks and SUVs you sell for an average of $3333 per vehicle. Sounds like you're doing OK until you look at the actual numbers.
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