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Old 04-30-2009, 09:12 AM   #1
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The Environmental Protection Agency will seek public comment for 30 days on a petition by the ethanol industry to raise the limit on ethanol in gasoline to 15 percent.

The agency specifically wants comment on its idea of providing a partial waiver of the E10 limit so that higher blends could be sold only for newer vehicles, a proposal that’s been roundly criticized.

The agency says “the issue of misfueling would be challenging in a situation where a conditional waiver is granted” and wants comments on the need for restrictions.

The agency also is seeking comments and data on whether there is “an appropriate level of scientific and technical information” to tell whether E15 will harm emission control devices on cars and power equipment.
The limit has been at ten volume percent ethanol (E10) for conventional (non flex-fuel) vehicles since 1978. The “issue of misfueling” referenced in the article refers to the likelihood that many vehicles would run poorly on E15 fuel. Most engines are simply not designed to handle that much ethanol.

The EPA has until Dec. 1 to make a decision and is requesting comments from the public. You can find the full EPA notice here.
The Environmental Protection Agency will seek public comment for 30 days on a petition by the ethanol industry to raise the limit on ethanol in gasoline to 15 percent.

The agency specifically wants comment on its idea of providing a partial waiver of the E10 limit so that higher blends could be sold only for newer vehicles, a proposal that's been roundly criticized.

The agency says "the issue of misfueling would be challenging in a situation where a conditional waiver is granted" and wants comments on the need for restrictions.

The agency also is seeking comments and data on whether there is "an appropriate level of scientific and technical information" to tell whether E15 will harm emission control devices on cars and power equipment.

The agency's 10-page announcement requesting comments can be found at: www.epa.gov/otaq/regs/fuels/additive/e15-increase.pdf.

The federal agency has until Dec. 1 to make a decision on the industry petition.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/art...90324/-1/ENT05
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:14 AM   #2
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:32 AM   #3
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There go a lot of fuel injectors.
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:52 AM   #4
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bleh ... the whole domestic ethanol fuel industry is a huge scam/subsidy anyway. the last thing we need is to make it worse (and possibly damage people's cars)
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Old 04-30-2009, 10:06 AM   #5
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Just curious, why would that be a problem? 5% seems very little and I know of some idiots that run E85 in non flex fuel engines with no issues.
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Old 04-30-2009, 10:36 AM   #6
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The key words in this press release. Ethanol is a complete scam, the last thing we need it to bump the % up.
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I sent them my thoughts on this matter. Unfortunately a lot of the comments that I read were in favor of making this change, pulling the vulnerable oil market card...
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Ethanol is a complete scam, the last thing we need it to bump the % up.
Agreed. Subsidies creating an artificial market which uses a food source as a fuel are incredibly short sighted. There are far better organic materials from which to create fuels.
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Just curious, why would that be a problem? 5% seems very little and I know of some idiots that run E85 in non flex fuel engines with no issues.

Why are people running e85 idiots? I will be running it very soon in my non-flex fuel motor. Whether or not it makes economic sense to use e85 as a national fuel source aside, it's one hell of a performance fuel! 100 to 105 octane at a nice, low, subsidized price of $1.90 a gallon!
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Old 04-30-2009, 01:34 PM   #10
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Agreed. Subsidies creating an artificial market which uses a food source as a fuel are incredibly short sighted. There are far better organic materials from which to create fuels.
This is true, but since ethanol can be made from other things I wouldn't consider ensuring cars can handle it a waste of engineering. There was a time when we got most of our oil from whales and that industry has evolved...

.. the oil, not the whales (except in Norway and Japan I guess).
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Old 05-01-2009, 04:39 AM   #11
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yes it absolutely can be made from things other than food/corn.

but in the US...guess what is used in the majority of ethanol plants? and guess who controls the ethanol boards and lobby groups?
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Old 05-01-2009, 02:50 PM   #12
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will the epa have to re-conduct all the mileage figures ? This is going to lower mileage on cars , and I don't think any car companies will want to mess with their cafe numbers.
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Woohoo more ethanol!! Need more soy bio-diesel too.

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miatas should be able to run 87 (using as example becaue I've had six and know them well). after ethanol was introduced, 87 will ping. Same with BMW's. Friend of mine blew an engine from predetonation. the bimmer dealer said they had done tests of some local gas stations and found up to 20% ethanol at some of them, and they were seeing lots of blown engines as a result.

anecdotal....but I believe it.
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so much for reducing CO2 emissions...

i guess we can scrap all the future CAFE standards.
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