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Old 04-19-2002, 12:52 PM   #1
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Took these last night after installing Rota Subzero with S03s (225/45/17) on WRX Wagon with Tein Wagon Coilovers. As you can see, the car is a little too low and rubbing will occur during hard cornering due to tires extruding from fender. (rubbing confirmed this morning on both front and rear)

The stock RE92s did NOT rub even when the car was lowered another 1/4 inch on back. When I put the Rota Subzeros on, I immediately noticed that the gap in the rear was only about 1 inch so I raised it to 1 1/4 for this pictures.

But, 1 1/4 isn't enough. Currently, the car is running about 1 1/2 inch gap in front (2 and 1/2 fingers).

Tonight, I'll raise both by 1/2 inch on front and rear.

BTW, any know why the rear driver side sits lower than the rear passenger side? gas tank?
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Old 04-19-2002, 01:25 PM   #2
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you might wanna take it to the body shop and see what they say about rolling the fenders.

it's corner weight. almost all cars have different weights on the corners so that's why it is always good to get coilovers instead of just springs.

i use the HA's btw with 52mm offset wheels.
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Old 04-19-2002, 01:56 PM   #3
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so, you are saying that I should increase the height (via coilover height adjustment) on that low corner until the gap is the same on both driver and passenger side?
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Old 04-19-2002, 04:16 PM   #4
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Depends on why you bought coilovers.

For optimal performance you should check your corner weights. Get some scales and adjust your coilovers such that the sums of weights across the diagonals are equal. I.e. (rf + lr) = (lf + rr)

Otherwise, you might as well adjust things so the gaps are equal and things look 'nice'.
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Old 04-19-2002, 04:48 PM   #5
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I'm planning on the SubZero's w/DMS Golds, so this is not what I wanted to see - I assume the fitment will be similar between the Tein Wagon's and the DMS'.

Can anyone give a rough cost for rolling the fenders? I mean, for good work, would normally be a $400 job? $1000?

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edit: Actually, do you have any more pics of the car w/the Silver SubZero's on it? I'm waiting for a response from Revolutions on availability of 17", but it would be nice to see what its going to look like. Thanks!
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Old 04-19-2002, 05:19 PM   #6
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OK. I ran outside my office just now and tooks some pics. I didn't bother to move the car to a more scenic background.
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Old 04-19-2002, 05:20 PM   #7
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Old 04-19-2002, 05:34 PM   #8
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would they rub sittin about 3/4'' down.
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Old 04-19-2002, 06:42 PM   #9
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Hey John,

How's the ride quality with the Teins?

I recently installed a set of DMS Golds, but think it may be a bit overkill for my needs. I like the ride height adjustability, but I think I will rarely, if ever, adjust the rebound settings. Maybe I'm a set-and-forget guy after all... That's what I did with the AGX/Eibach combo on my RS too...
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Old 04-19-2002, 07:16 PM   #10
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Oh *****!

How did you get my truck in the background there!? Very nice pictures........sorry to hear about the problems with your coilover's.

anyways.......WAY TO GIVE ME SOME EXPOSURE THERE!
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Old 04-19-2002, 09:52 PM   #11
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Unhappy At least they look good...

That bites man... They do look great though. What are your alignment settings? I think a number of people have resolved rubbing with some negative camber out back - how much room do you need (can you see the scuffs on the tire? How much tread needs to move inside the fender)? From what others have said, I believe -1.5 degrees is close to optimal, although someone please correct me if I'm way off-base there.

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edit: And dips on deepbeep's DMS Gold's

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Old 04-19-2002, 10:06 PM   #12
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man, you -are- trigger-happy!! LOL
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Old 04-19-2002, 10:08 PM   #13
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Wax on. Wax off.

The spider must move quickly to catch the fly - or some other flocking thing...

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Old 04-19-2002, 10:13 PM   #14
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Now would that make you Mr. Miyagi, or Ralph Macchio? Hmmmm....
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Old 04-19-2002, 10:15 PM   #15
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Neither...

I am Godzilla.

You are Japan!

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Old 04-19-2002, 10:46 PM   #16
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Ok John, you can have your thread back now
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Old 04-20-2002, 01:50 AM   #17
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I tried to take titsataki, rex_ruther, bobski, and bobski's friend out for a ride tonight. We drove about 100 feet before we turned around and parked.

The car was sitting so low in the rear, the inside fender lip was sitting on the tires!

After taking a look at the rubbing, I decided that I'm going to go get the fender's rolled. I'm pretty sure that if I don't, I'd have to raise the car back to stock height or higher. This doesn't seem very appealing to me since part of the reason for coilovers was so that I can lower the car.

So, it looks like I'm putting the stock RE92s back on for the time being...

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Old 04-20-2002, 01:01 PM   #18
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That doesn't sound good!! I thought the Teins had spring rates quite a bit higher than stock? Do you think the root of the problem lies more in the width of the tires, or in the actual suspension?
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The stock wagon rear springs are 140 lbs/in, the Tein Wagon rear springs are 168 lbs/in (3kg/mm). This is 20% stiffer than stock.

Maybe stiffer rear springs would help. If Tein offers 4kg/mm (224 lbs/in) springs, they would be 60% stiffer than stock.
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Quote:
Took these last night after installing Rota Subzero with S03s (225/45/17) on WRX Wagon with Tein Wagon Coilovers.
the problem is tire size.

IIRC, sedan will be ok with 225/45/17 because of its wider track than the wagon. but you have a wagon, so 225/45/17 will cause major rubbing unless you adjust the ride height.
with that said, i think the proper tire size is 215/45/17 for the wagon.
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Old 04-20-2002, 04:53 PM   #21
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Raise the car, and you won't rub. If you measured stock ride height before putting on the Teins (please tell me that you did...at all four corners from wheel center to fender lip), subtract an inch from those measurements, and you should be about right.

The Tein spring rates are 280/170 or some such, which should be sufficient to keep you from rubbing. Your car looks pretty low in the piccies. I also wonder about damping if the car is diving/leaning that much.

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Old 04-20-2002, 06:21 PM   #22
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JohnW,

Big thumbs up on the look! Are those the "silver" subzero's?
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Old 04-20-2002, 07:10 PM   #23
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I have the same set-up, but with Falken Azenis tires. I rub in the rear also, but from what I can see, it's just barely, so I think the removal of the rubber strip should solve the problem. If not, I'll get them rolled.
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Old 04-21-2002, 12:42 AM   #24
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Question No one answered the first time, so...

Can someone give an estimate for rolling the fenders. I'm hoping (per mav1c's setup w/Azeni's) I might not need it, but... In the event that I do, how large a dent in my wallet should I plan for?

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Instead of rolling the fenders, an alternative might be to get some rear camber bolts from whiteline or Ingalls (www.ingallseng.com) and give it a bit more negative static camber. With a bit more negative static camber and the dynamic camber of the rear suspension, it might be enough to clear the fenders of the wagon. It a very inexpensive experiament. bolts are usually 20-40$ and the cost of an alignment. not too bad for some piece of mind for your new investment! Hope this helps some.
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