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Old 05-01-2009, 05:00 PM   #1
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What's this? Somehow, the natural order of things in the automotive world has been upset to the point that Ford (129,898 total units) has outsold Toyota (126,540 total units) in the United States in the month of April. For those keeping track of such things, this is the first time in over a year that the Blue Oval (consisting of Ford, Lincoln and Mercury, but not including Volvo) has moved more machines than the mighty Toyota.

Normally, posting a 31% decline in sales compared to the same month a year earlier wouldn't be cause for celebration, but that drop is actually considerably smaller than at rival automakers, including Toyota, which saw sales fall by an almost unbelievable 42%. Not a single Toyota nameplate posted sales gains in April of '09.

Ford, on the other hand, found something to hang its hat on with the new 2010 Fusion. Ford moved 18,321 Fusions in April, which is a 21.7% improvement over last April and a record for any month. That success was offset somewhat by the 35.8% decline in F-Series truck sales, but a gain is a gain, and Ford will take anything it can get.
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Old 05-01-2009, 05:09 PM   #2
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That's good to hear. I like Toyota, but I think Ford has done some great things recently and they deserve to be rewarded. Now if they keep it up with the Fiesta, and then give us the Euro Focus, I'll really become their cheerleader.
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Old 05-01-2009, 06:14 PM   #4
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That's good news for Ford, but I honestly have not seen ANY of the new Fusions on the road.

Now I wonder if you took out truck sales, how would the 2 stack up.
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Old 05-01-2009, 09:10 PM   #5
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That's good news for Ford, but I honestly have not seen ANY of the new Fusions on the road.

Now I wonder if you took out truck sales, how would the 2 stack up.
I've seen a few of the new Fusions around... not too bad looking.

As for truck sales, i have a feeling that if you took that out of the equation, they wouldn't stack up quite so well..

What I am unsure of however is if the numbers include fleet sales, or just how much of an incentive dealers are offering on Ford and Toyota vehicles. That could be rather telling..
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Old 05-01-2009, 11:00 PM   #6
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Rough month for Toyota. Pretty much the biggest loss of a major automaker from the numbers I've seen thus far. I think they definitely went too conservative on their midcycle refreshes (Rav4, Camry, Tundra). Then again, I've only seen the refreshed Camry on the road thus far. I'm not sure the refreshes are out for the Rav or Tundra yet.
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Old 05-01-2009, 11:05 PM   #7
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way to go Ford. domestic powah!
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Old 05-01-2009, 11:08 PM   #8
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I hate Toyota more than Big three combined. They could sell refrigerators in the same showrooms, would suit the theme just well.

Go Ford, bring Mondeo and Euro Focus!
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Old 05-02-2009, 12:18 AM   #9
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I hate Toyota more than Big three combined. They could sell refrigerators in the same showrooms, would suit the theme just well.

Go Ford, bring Mondeo and Euro Focus!
Yeah, those ******** keeping Subaru employees busy building Camrys at SIA due to low Legacy, OB, and Tribeca volume.

Then again, you go off the handle ranting about Subaru killing the Legacy wagon and probably wish that SIA folks were laid off for SOA killing the Legacy wagon.

I'm looking at Toyotas for my "family" vehicle because they are reliable, fuel efficient, practical, and decent looking. I'm not looking to set the world on fire with it. I just want it to f'ing work.
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Old 05-02-2009, 12:24 AM   #10
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Its kinda sad the Big-3 are down like this but they just need to build more appealing cars to ALL markets of people.

Good for them.
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Old 05-02-2009, 02:59 AM   #11
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Yeah, those ******** keeping Subaru employees busy building Camrys at SIA due to low Legacy, OB, and Tribeca volume.

Then again, you go off the handle ranting about Subaru killing the Legacy wagon and probably wish that SIA folks were laid off for SOA killing the Legacy wagon.

I'm looking at Toyotas for my "family" vehicle because they are reliable, fuel efficient, practical, and decent looking. I'm not looking to set the world on fire with it. I just want it to f'ing work.
Geeez, you're welcome and free to buy one, you really don't need to justify your choice or share my feelings towards the brand.

Toyota is big meh to me, because they are 100% focused on making mobile appliances. Except actually ridiculous Tundra (with the high powered V8) there is absolutely nothing in their lineup that could be remotely described as interesting to anyone outside mobile appliance operators... it's very possible their products are reliable and fuel efficent, some maybe even practical....
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Old 05-02-2009, 08:13 AM   #12
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Ford Fusion Ė The best car you donít know about



For some odd reason, when people are chatting about new cars, they rarely mention the Ford Fusion. For a really good car thatís been around for a while, the Fusion seems to get less name recognition than Archibald Leach, better known as Cary Grant. Thatís a shame. The Fusion is not only one of the very best cars produced by Detroit, but it is one of the best midsized sedans made by any company. (Ford Fusion model overview with ratings, available to online subscribers.)

What makes it good?
For starters, itís fun to drive, with a good ride and crisp, responsive handling. Itís also the right size, compact enough to be maneuverable yet large enough to seat five people with ease. Then thereís the wide choice of configurations. Besides the usual front-drive configuration, the Fusion also offers an all-wheel-drive model and a full-hybrid version. Sadly, perhaps, not both at the same time.

Two more pluses: Not only does the Fusion have excellent crash-test results but itís also one of the more reliable cars in our annual auto survey. It is more reliable than the ubiquitous Toyota Camry, an honor itís held since the Camryís 2007 redesign.

What weíre testing now: We just bought three front-wheel drive Fusions, which have been updated for the 2010 model year. Both our 175-hp, four-cylinder SE and 240-hp, 3.0-liter V6 versions have a six-speed automatic. The third example is a Hybrid model, which has a four-cylinder engine aided by an electric powertrain that brings net horsepower to 191. Standard safety gear on all includes antilock brakes, stability control, and six air bags.

What price?

Sticker prices ranged from about $22,150 for the basic four-cylinder to $32,400 for our loaded Hybrid, including options and shipping. The V6 SEL stickered at $28,400.
Without any arm-twisting, we paid about $26,000 and change for our justĖarrived V6 SEL. That included customer incentives Ford is offering right now and struck us as pretty reasonable considering what was included.

Among the goodies was full leather upholstery, heated eight-way power seats, a power moonroof, a good Sony audio system with Sirius satellite radio, the Sync Bluetooth voice-activated audio and communications system, blind-spot and crossing-traffic alert system, rear-view camera, and 17-inch aluminum wheels.

Canít say butÖ
Itís too early to make any judgments about driving dynamics or how well all the bits and pieces work together. Given our past experience with several Fusions weíve already tested, and a few new ones weíve briefly sampled, we expect the 2010 models to be at least as good as the cars they replaced, all of which we liked. The enduring mystery is why more people donít already know about this car.


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Old 05-02-2009, 12:10 PM   #13
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I have a feeling Ford is only going to continue to improve their sales numbers. Between the new Fusion and the upcoming Fiesta and Taurus (which I am shocked to admit is a sharp looking and spec'ed car) I think they'll keep on doing pretty well.
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Old 05-02-2009, 12:18 PM   #14
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I don't get all this hate on Toyota; I happen to like most of their cars - and the few I dislike ... well no-one forces them on me and they have plenty of other options in their range that I do like.
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I have a feeling Ford is only going to continue to improve their sales numbers. Between the new Fusion and the upcoming Fiesta and Taurus (which I am shocked to admit is a sharp looking and spec'ed car) I think they'll keep on doing pretty well.
Ford is very well placed, IMO. They have a fresh product line (mostly redesigned within the past 3 years) with good value and quality for the money. Depending how the whole GM/Chrysler thing shakes out, they stand to pick up a ton of sales from folks that only look at domestics, which I think is a substantial demographic. Ford even has a glow being the only of the Detroit 3 that hasn't taken and, from the looks of it, squandered billions of federal dollars. Ford started righting the ship before anyone else and I think they'll see the payoff from it.
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Old 05-02-2009, 12:42 PM   #16
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I don't get all this hate on Toyota; I happen to like most of their cars - and the few I dislike ... well no-one forces them on me and they have plenty of other options in their range that I do like.
because back when they really got started, in the 1970's their cars were better looking and mechanically sound over most others. this continued until the 2000's+ appeared or when, Toyota had a "hard-on" to beat GM. do do this they decontented their cars to the point of "blandness". the Camry is was great in the past, it is now "junk bland" status or an old mans Buick. they lost there "edge" with most of the Toyota branded cars. The Venza seems to be a step back in the right direction. Hopefully the other cars will follow.
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That's good news for Ford, but I honestly have not seen ANY of the new Fusions on the road.

Now I wonder if you took out truck sales, how would the 2 stack up.
dude you need to come to jacksonville.... i see fusions everywhere... our roomate even has one
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I'll still pick a Corolla over the Focus, or the Astra (just to throw it in there) or the Cobalt or whatever drivel Chrysler tries to feed us on that particular week.
The Camry is as bland as the Mondeo/Taurus in my eyes; I think overall while Toyota may have dropped the ball with "fun" cars - as far as everyday cars they are still up there. And the sporty stuff will come back no doubt; just like American car companies dropped the ball with Muscle cars for many years.
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Old 05-02-2009, 01:17 PM   #19
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that's good and dandy, but we haven't had a spark-plug blow out of the cylinder head of our Tundra yet lmfao (see 5.4 triton failures-we had ours at 83,000 miles with zero help from Ford)
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because back when they really got started, in the 1970's their cars were better looking and mechanically sound over most others. this continued until the 2000's+ appeared or when, Toyota had a "hard-on" to beat GM. do do this they decontented their cars to the point of "blandness". the Camry is was great in the past, it is now "junk bland" status or an old mans Buick. they lost there "edge" with most of the Toyota branded cars. The Venza seems to be a step back in the right direction. Hopefully the other cars will follow.
In all fairness, I think Toyota gets the "bland" title because there are simply so many of them out there. Unfortunately, people seem to like beige and after you seen your 50th beige camry on your commute, you start pointing to the automaker as being bland instead of the buyer. When the 2007 camry came out, I thought it was a great looking sedan. After I saw 400,000 of them, it didn't quite hold the same appeal, especially in CE trim.

The complete disappearance of the midsize Ford has played into the new Fusion, IMO. It really is a great looking little car and it looks even better when comparing to the Contour that it replaced. (This is speaking of both the current and previous Fusion.) It definitely has a fresh look.

Back to Toyota, I think most of their cars are actually pretty handsome, especially compared to their lineup circa 2004. They aren't oozing sex like some of the Europeans, but that isn't what your average person wants. Most people want a nice looking, do-exactly-what-i-expect car. I can't fault Toyota for providing that. Now, I will certainly be pissed if the Subyota Coupe doesn't come through. I'd like to see a bare bones, RWD, well balanced, reliable coupe back on the market. I think Toyota and Subaru can provide that. Unfortunately, with the economy the way it is, this coupe has to prove fiscally viable. I can't blame them for scrapping the idea if they can't make any money on it. I can still be disappointed, though.
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Old 05-02-2009, 08:32 PM   #21
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Toyota would be the last car I would buy because they have not soul! Name me 1 sporty car they build? They've got rid of the Supra, Celica, MR2 & now their most sporty car arguably is the Camry . . . WTF!-!-!

Nevertheless, @ least Ford's builds cars that are fun to drive such as the Mustang, Fusion,

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Toyota would be the last car I would buy because they have not soul! Name me 1 sporty car they build? They've got rid of the Supra, Celica, MR2 & now their most sporty car arguably is the Camry . . . WTF!-!-!

Nevertheless, @ least Ford's builds cars that are fun to drive such as the Mustang, Fusion,
We talking US or Global cars here?

Because Toyota do have the likes of the IS-F (or just the base IS even) in their stable - it might be a Lexus elsewhere but it is a Toyota badge in Japan.
As for Ford and "sporty" cars, surely they only have .. um 3 at best?
The Mustang (though I'm no fan of it, but I guess it has to count), the Euro Focus ST/RS and the Euro Fiesta RS

I guess that could be stretched to 4 if you include the Aussie Falcon.
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im sorry but ford has made me think seriously about some of their cars recently as opposed to GM who i only have an interest in their sports car offerings and trucks, kinda, although an F-150 would probably fit quite nicely
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Toyota would be the last car I would buy because they have not soul! Name me 1 sporty car they build? They've got rid of the Supra, Celica, MR2 & now their most sporty car arguably is the Camry . . . WTF!-!-!

Nevertheless, @ least Ford's builds cars that are fun to drive such as the Mustang, Fusion,

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I think you have to remember that most people are just not into sports cars. They want a car they can get into, start up, and drive to wherever they are going without any events. They don't want to be beaten up on the way there, they don't need an adrenalin rush on their way, or anything else. Just just require a means of transportation.

Enthusiasts are actually in the minority, which is why the automakers are not producing sports cars as a staple.

I think a reason why Ford continues to build the Mustang is partly the history of the thing, and the nostaligic value of the car to the people that actually run the company.

As for the Fusion being as good as it is, that is because Ford, like the other American companies, have had their backs put against the wall...It is now that they are coming up with high quality products that we have been waiting a long time for.
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I'm REALLY hoping to see Ford pull through this a better car maker, and with respect for not having to take bailout money to survive the current situation.

They're truly improving their products, and I have to admit I've been rather impressed with their new stuff... which is the first American company I can say such things about. By buddy just bought a new '09 F150 and it's one incredibly nice truck, inside and out.
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