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Old 05-02-2009, 03:04 AM   #1
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Late Night host David Letterman interviewed Tesla CEO Elon Musk and rolled out the Tesla Model S on his show. They did get around to discussing the Chevy Volt. Dave seemed very irritated with GM’s bailout need, the destruction of the EV-1, and laid into the Volt on national television. Letterman said “the Volt has a range of 40 miles, that’ll get you down the driveway and back.” He said the range is “insane”, “ridiculous”, and “crap.”

Dave didn’t seem to know or care about the range extender or the fact that most people drive less than 40 miles per day, and of course Mr. Musk wasn’t about to point that out. All he was able to do was nod his head and say “right.”
Though Letterman’s pretending to get electrocuted when he touched the Model S, and wondering aloud whether the car might “magnetize his nuts” were funny bits they don’t make up for this unnecessary slander.

Whether Letterman was truly so uniformed about the Volt or intentionally wanted to hurt GM’s image isn’t clear, but considering the large viewership he has, a negative effect on public acceptance of the Volt is a risk.

We can’t change what happened but for what its worth I posted a video response (below) and have
written to Mr. Letterman’s talent coordinator offering to go on the show to discuss the Volt and its fanbase, risking ridicule.

I doubt the show will call me but if you want to please contact them and help request it.
And though I’ve been a fan of Letterman since my teenage years, in this case I think he could take a lesson from Jay Leno.
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Old 05-02-2009, 03:05 AM   #2
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I don’t know if you happened to catch David Letterman Wednesday night. Frankly, I didn’t, nor did many of my colleagues at GM. But you can bet the clip of Dave interviewing Elon Musk of Tesla Motors has certainly made the rounds here, and has people up in arms, particularly the Chevrolet Volt team.

Mr. Letterman made some gratuitously derogatory remarks about the Volt’s range, calling it “insane” and “ridiculous,” and in general appeared woefully uninformed about the Volt. For one thing, he said its 40-mile range wouldn’t get him down the driveway to pick up the newspaper.

Now, if he is that uninformed, I must point out that it’s not his fault, it’s ours. We should do a better job of making sure that Dave and everyone else who is in position to comment on national TV about our products has the right information, whether they use that information or not. Perhaps if we’d hired Drew Barrymore to be the spokesperson for the vehicle we’d have commanded more of his attention. Regardless, we’d like to rectify the situation.

I would like to personally invite Dave to come learn more about the Volt, including the hugely important but unmentioned-by-him fact that its range is 40 purely electric miles plus several hundred more miles thanks to its range-extender. Dave may drive more than 40 miles a day on his commute from the palatial Connecticut estate, but about 80 percent of Americans don’t. And those people could conceivably drive the Volt every day and never use a drop of gasoline.

I’d like Dave to drive a Volt test mule and see for himself. And I’d be happy to appear on his show, like Mr. Musk had the opportunity to do, and set the record straight on the Volt and its promise. If it happens to be Stupid Pet Tricks night, I have a swan that would be a hit!

Let me say one more thing: If I were to compile a Top Ten List of things General Motors needs to worry about at this moment in time, rebuking comments by David Letterman would not be among them, as you might guess. But that doesn’t mean we can sit idly by while misinformation spreads, especially when it’s disseminated by a respected “car guy.” That really got us, if you will, charged up.

So that’s why we’re taking a moment on a Friday to let you know we heard what was said, we don’t agree with it, and we’d like the opportunity to put things right. Simple as that.
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Old 05-02-2009, 04:36 AM   #3
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Why so serious? Letterman tell jokes on that show.

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Old 05-02-2009, 01:50 PM   #4
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Ummm...if you had billions invested in a product, owed billions to the government/taxpayers while trying to keep your company afloat, and wanted to keep tens of thousands employed, you better defend yourself against ill-informed slander, even if it comes in the form of humor.
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Old 05-02-2009, 02:20 PM   #5
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So Volt bashing is not ok. Gotcha!

Time to go back to Prius bashing...wait, is the new Honda Insight okay to make fun of?
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Old 05-02-2009, 02:55 PM   #6
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Hmph.... You bring a Tesla CEO to the show and ridicule GM's Volt. Elon Musk was smart to not comment or educate Letterman on national tv. Making you look stupid on your own show wouldn't sit well with positive popularity. In any event, I'd be pissed as well to have someone 'make fun of' a product I've been working hard on, when they don't have the slightest clue the capabilities behind it.

Jay Leno > Letterman. But regardless, Letterman was stupid to even go there. I hope Letterman offers the invite. If anything, he should've gotten some pointers from Jay
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Old 05-02-2009, 08:35 PM   #7
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So he's not only not funny, but ignorant as well? I'm glad I don't watch his show.
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Old 05-03-2009, 10:32 AM   #8
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it's not smog it's smug!
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Old 05-03-2009, 06:56 PM   #9
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I'm not a huge Letterman fan, but it's amazing how calling a spade a spade when that spade is designed in the USA is a horrible thing, but no one cares if that spade was made abroad.

Disingenuous or uneducated of him, sure, but if most Americans are driving less than 40 miles a day, it's going to take a ludicrously long time to recoup the cost of a Volt over, say, an Impala. GM is just as disingenuous for glossing over that.
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Old 05-04-2009, 09:07 AM   #10
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Bob Lutz vs David Letterman

Come on Bob, all the people that would be interested in the Volt had already gone to bed.
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Old 05-04-2009, 09:33 AM   #11
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Someone should have questioned Elon about his email tirades, the fact they have only delivered 300 or so Teslas to date, and his vaporware sedan.

Hey I think GM messed up about as much as the next guy, but enough already.
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Old 05-04-2009, 12:15 PM   #12
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so next time i want to drive an exclusive or car that hasn't come out yet, i just trash on it? lol.
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Old 05-04-2009, 02:22 PM   #13
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Letterman is likely a gas huffer. Involved in a motorsports team isnt he still? Stick in the mud type I bet.
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Tesla is little more than an overhyped kit car. They have probably sold more Ariel Atoms...
Which in base form, probably get decent mileage.
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Come on Bob, all the people that would be interested in the Volt had already gone to bed.


I like Tesla and am sick of this mythical "Volt".
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Old 05-04-2009, 08:04 PM   #16
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Jay Leno FTW!
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maybe letterman had an EV-1?
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Dave Letterman is a has been. Jay Leno takes the ratings even with reruns.
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When the volt comes out it will fix all this misinformation.

That's next year right?

Or is it the next year?

Or is it the next year?

Or is it the next year?

Or is it the next year?

Or is it the next year?

Or is it the next year?

Peace,

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When the volt comes out it will fix all this misinformation.

That's next year right?

Or is it the next year?

Or is it the next year?

Or is it the next year?

Or is it the next year?

Or is it the next year?

Or is it the next year?

Peace,

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Show me any car that has gone from completely new concept to production in less than three years. The Volt Concept car was new on the 2007 auto show circuit, so for them to be targeting a 2010 launch is really quite aggressive.

For example, the Viper went from concept to production in 3 years (1989 to 1992) and, at the time, was widely regarded as being an exceptionally fast development. Even the vaunted Nissan GTR took 3 years (concept 2005 to first deliveries in 2008). The amount of technology development to get the Volt from concept to production is much greater than what was needed for the GTR.

The Volt's development only seems like a long time because it's been in the press so much. Life in a fishbowl is harsh, I suppose.

Back on topic, I'd have liked to see Musk's response to a question about the Tesla Roadster's true range. They market it like a sports car, but if you drive it like one (see Top Gear's review) you only get about 55 miles worth of driving out of a single charge.
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I thought they're not running this year because they can't get sponsors.

Cross GM off that list.
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Show me any car that has gone from completely new concept to production in less than three years. The Volt Concept car was new on the 2007 auto show circuit, so for them to be targeting a 2010 launch is really quite aggressive.

For example, the Viper went from concept to production in 3 years (1989 to 1992) and, at the time, was widely regarded as being an exceptionally fast development. Even the vaunted Nissan GTR took 3 years (concept 2005 to first deliveries in 2008). The amount of technology development to get the Volt from concept to production is much greater than what was needed for the GTR.

The Volt's development only seems like a long time because it's been in the press so much. Life in a fishbowl is harsh, I suppose.

Back on topic, I'd have liked to see Musk's response to a question about the Tesla Roadster's true range. They market it like a sports car, but if you drive it like one (see Top Gear's review) you only get about 55 miles worth of driving out of a single charge.
You are assuming that the Volt was one day old when the concept hit the autoshow floors. Which is probably not true. GM is notoriously slow for releasing products (Camaro anyone)

I would wager that the GTR is far more complex a car than the hybrid volt, but thats arguing 6 in one hand half a dozen in the other. Chevy is hamstrung by its unions. They cannot build high tech factories or use high tech robots to help them as it would unemploy a union worker.

I think it was mentioned in the wall street journal that the unions have vetoed every factory improvement for the last 15 years. The Volt need not take so long to produce. But at GM it does.

With that being said, with cars like the Insight and Prius available at sub 21000 dollars, that can nudge 50mpg real world driving, why would you want a 40000 dollar Volt?
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You are assuming that the Volt was one day old when the concept hit the autoshow floors. Which is probably not true.
Really, I'm just illustrating the point that it takes time to develop a car. You could also say that some development work for the GTR was done before the debut of the new concept in 2005, but it still took them three years to produce a consumer-ready version.

In reality, the Camaro really didn't take that long to develop. It just seemed that way because of all the press around it. The concept debuted at the end of 2005 (December, according to most of the sources I could find) and deliveries have started in the second quarter of calendar '09. That's just over three years.
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fair enough...
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Ppl need to understand that it takes a while for a car to go from concept to production. Not only that, i realize that the Volt it a tad expensive but like all new technology cost will go down over time. If i remember right the EV-1 cost like 35K in the mid-90s so the Volt is actually cheaper that the EV-1 initially cost. Give GM time, worst thing we can do is reject technology. You don't like it, fine, just don't buy it but don't sit up here and wish for its death (then cry later about how GM has been sleeping on the future).
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