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Old 05-03-2009, 04:12 PM   #26
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Lets get something straight here....

The Toyota Camry that my brother owns was assembled HERE in the United States; however the transmission and engine were assembled in Japan.
Regardless of where a car is built, it's profit still goes to it's parent company... and helps that countries economy in the process.

I'm glad that all the jobs are created stateside for MANY manufacturers, but if companies like Ford and GM didn't make some cars in other countries, and made them ALL here... you can imagine how much more they'd be hurting because of the overpaid union workers.
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Old 05-03-2009, 04:14 PM   #27
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Regardless of where a car is built, it's profit still goes to it's parent company... and helps that countries economy in the process.

I'm glad that all the jobs are created stateside for MANY manufacturers, but if companies like Ford and GM didn't make some cars in other countries, and made them ALL here... you can imagine how much more they'd be hurting because of the overpaid union workers.

Well, between the taxes on the car, the workers here in the US who assemble it and other various taxes/fees, the US economy feels it when a "Foreign" car is sold in the US.

General Motors is self destructing because of the Governments tight restrictions on cars and emission control.
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Old 05-03-2009, 04:49 PM   #28
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Except Ford... who luckily is doing relatively ok compared to others.
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Old 05-03-2009, 06:19 PM   #29
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why would i or any other american wish to support a nominally american company whose CEOs make 100x the salary of their workers and outsource all of their production to brazil, mexico, and canada instead of supporting a nominally japanese company whose CEOs make 10x that of their workers and produce their cars in america from largely domestic-sourced parts?
Don't exagerate. American car companies employ more assembly workers in the US than foreign manufacturers. The way you write it it makes it sound like all American cars are assembled out of the US and that all the components of a US vehicle are foreign sourced.
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Old 05-03-2009, 07:11 PM   #30
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Don't exagerate. American car companies employ more assembly workers in the US than foreign manufacturers. The way you write it it makes it sound like all American cars are assembled out of the US and that all the components of a US vehicle are foreign sourced.
Here is a better question, why should you support UAW (by buying a vehicle built by UAW labour) given the fact that they're killing the US auto industry?
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Old 05-03-2009, 07:26 PM   #31
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Don't exagerate[sic]. American car companies employ more assembly workers in the US than foreign manufacturers. The way you write it it makes it sound like all American cars are assembled out of the US and that all the components of a US vehicle are foreign sourced.
not for long

food for thought: a Civic has higher domestic parts content than a Dodge Ram.
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Old 05-03-2009, 08:13 PM   #32
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not for long

food for thought: a Civic has higher domestic parts content than a Dodge Ram.
By 2%. It seems they still average around 70% domestic content. So for every car sold almost 3 out of 4 parts would be made in America. That's not that bad. And like I said a few posts back, this is just the globaization of the car industry. But saying all US cars are 100% foreign built and mostly foreign parts is an incorrect statement.

Ford F-150: 80% domestic content
Chevrolet Silverado 1500: 85% for '08
Toyota Camry/Solara: 68% for '08
Honda Accord: 60% for '08
Toyota Corolla: 50% for '09
Toyota Matrix: 65% for '09
Dodge Ram: 68% for '08
Honda Pilot: 70% for '09
Honda Civic: 70% for '08
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Here is a better question, why should you support UAW (by buying a vehicle built by UAW labour) given the fact that they're killing the US auto industry?
I'm not a supporter of that and they need to have more contol of their labor force. I think though it's starting to sink in for US manufacturers that they need to stand up to the UAW and start taking control of their own labor force. Look at Toyota, their employees make more than Union workers (not a lot more, but still more).
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I personally don't care who's name is on the grill, but I do prefer to spend my money on products that are built/assembled in the U.S. at least this way I'm helping American workers prosper. The more workers there are, the better the economy will be as there is more money being spent.

If it were up to me, anything not built/assembled in the U.S. would be heavily taxed, that way to beat the tax, more foreign companies would build plants here...and maybe, just maybe the big 3 would start building more here too.
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Old 05-03-2009, 08:57 PM   #35
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If it were up to me, anything not built/assembled in the U.S. would be heavily taxed
I disagree, NAFTA is a good idea imo.

Equally I disagree with this notion of keeping manufacturing jobs in USA at all costs; what is needed for an overall strong and future proof economy is not simply run off the mill manufacturing jobs but rather high end manufacturing and good service and R&D industries.

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Old 05-04-2009, 01:46 AM   #36
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I personally don't care who's name is on the grill, but I do prefer to spend my money on products that are built/assembled in the U.S. at least this way I'm helping American workers prosper. The more workers there are, the better the economy will be as there is more money being spent.

If it were up to me, anything not built/assembled in the U.S. would be heavily taxed, that way to beat the tax, more foreign companies would build plants here...and maybe, just maybe the big 3 would start building more here too.
Global markets wouldn't allow it. If you "heavily taxed", or what they call imposing a tariff on even certain things (the steel crisis that Bush almost caused familiar) then every country that was affected would pretty much do the same to you or worse.

While economics would lend itself to saying that if you tax something to effectively increase the price to where the company is better off building a plant in American than importing the car - real life doesn't behave this way. Since the company would have a HUGE initial cost to incur to build a new facility in America, I can almost guarantee that a good amount of companies would leave the market because they wouldn't be able to compete.
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While economics would lend itself to saying that if you tax something to effectively increase the price to where the company is better off building a plant in American than importing the car - real life doesn't behave this way. Since the company would have a HUGE initial cost to incur to build a new facility in America, I can almost guarantee that a good amount of companies would leave the market because they wouldn't be able to compete.
that is basically what happened in the US market. Fortunately now you have many southern states willing to throw money at OEs to open their plants there.
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Old 05-04-2009, 02:42 AM   #38
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This statement makes no sense to me. If you by a Chevy or Ford, regardless of where it was built, you are "supporting" an American company. You may not be supporting American blue collar workers, but certainly the company. Likewise with the "foreign" cars made in the US, you are supporting assembly line workers in the US, but the company benefitting is not on US soil.
What's so hard to understand? Foreign companies with domestic labor are better than domestic companies with foreign labor. Foreign companies are INVESTING in American labor. We work for them, we make them money, they reinvest it in paying our salaries. How would you like it if every company in the world was center in America, but all of the labor was foreign? Pretty crappy image, ain't it? Basically just a crapload of slums with some very rich people sprinkled about.
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Old 05-04-2009, 08:55 AM   #39
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Regardless of where a car is built, it's profit still goes to it's parent company... and helps that countries economy in the process.

I'm glad that all the jobs are created stateside for MANY manufacturers, but if companies like Ford and GM didn't make some cars in other countries, and made them ALL here... you can imagine how much more they'd be hurting because of the overpaid union workers.
i would rather profits go to out of country companies.

i think its something ridiculous like the top paid guy at GM got paid the equivalent of the top 27 people at toyota.
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Old 05-04-2009, 09:03 AM   #40
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I just don't get how things are cheaper to build in Canada? It must have something to do with the EPA.
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What's so hard to understand? Foreign companies with domestic labor are better than domestic companies with foreign labor. Foreign companies are INVESTING in American labor. We work for them, we make them money, they reinvest it in paying our salaries. How would you like it if every company in the world was center in America, but all of the labor was foreign? Pretty crappy image, ain't it? Basically just a crapload of slums with some very rich people sprinkled about.
That's fine, but that's not what the quote I was confused by said. It was implying that by buying a car made by an American company, built in a foreign country, is somehow putting money into a foregin company. It didn't say supporting foreign workers.
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Old 05-08-2009, 02:41 PM   #42
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I just don't get how things are cheaper to build in Canada? It must have something to do with the EPA.
It must have something to do with worker WAGES.
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It must have something to do with worker WAGES.
and the lower cost of their national health care system compared to our for-profit horribly inefficient hodgepodge.
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