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Old 01-02-2011, 04:47 PM   #126
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ok, gotcha. I'd put in 4.3, run the car then follow the checking procedure...

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Old 06-25-2011, 10:15 AM   #127
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I have a 02 WRX. Can I still use the lower engine cover if I mount a STi 06 oil pan?
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Old 06-25-2011, 12:05 PM   #128
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^ Yes
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Old 08-09-2011, 11:27 PM   #129
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I did the following:
(this is all the 2007 stuff)
2. pan - # 11109AA151
3. stick - # 11140AA150
4. baffle - # 10915AA010

The part I'm a bit confused on, is the baffle has a couple extra "mount holes" that have well fit rubber inserts from the factory...... I left them on as they seem to snug fit up against the block. I also don't understand why Subaru would go to all the trouble of putting them in place if they weren't supposed to be left there.

I'm assuming this is for the purpose of mounting on different blocks that have additional mount points?

*EDIT* pic is worth 1000 words or something....
You can see the rubber inserts subaru puts in..... (along with the extra drilled holes vs the EJ20 stock baffle) you can also see the side of the killerb pickup

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Old 08-10-2011, 09:21 AM   #130
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The rubber seals are to eliminate oil being flung (and turbulence interaction) into the head oil drain passages, that may also reduce oil flow back into the pan under certain conditions. Some baffles have these and some do not.
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Old 04-05-2012, 09:44 AM   #131
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I know this is a bit of an old thread...so hopefully the guys from KillerB still watch this one.

I am doing a hybrid swap in my 03 with a EJ257 built block. I would love to have your oil pan...however, my budget just does not allow for it at the moment. You said the 06-07 oil pan was the best of the stock oil pans and should be ok for light track use (I autocross the car mostly). The questions i have before i order everything are:

1. Will your pickup and windage tray fit this setup? Because i want to order both of them.

2. I know i need to get the 06-07 dipstick to match the oil pan, but do i also need the dipstick tube?

Thanks for all the awesome info and quality parts. Have used your pickup on many customer cars with no problems or failures to date. On a subaru, that's saying a lot...lol.
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Old 04-05-2012, 11:36 AM   #132
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Just some info I got from Jamie over at Subarugenuineparts regarding the lengths of the STi dipsticks.

STi 2006-2012 11140AA150 = 19.5" (TOP OF HANDLE TO END)

STI 2004-2005 11140AA120 = 20.5" (TOP OF HANDLE TO END)
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Old 04-05-2012, 12:55 PM   #133
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1. Will your pickup and windage tray fit this setup? Because i want to order both of them.
Yes our pickup/baffle combo will work perfectly with ANY stock STi (or06+WRX) oil pan.

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2. I know i need to get the 06-07 dipstick to match the oil pan, but do i also need the dipstick tube?
Yes, they are different lengths.

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Just some info I got from Jamie over at Subarugenuineparts regarding the lengths of the STi dipsticks.

STi 2006-2012 11140AA150 = 19.5" (TOP OF HANDLE TO END)

STI 2004-2005 11140AA120 = 20.5" (TOP OF HANDLE TO END)
As a addition to this, you need to be sure you give the dealer your VIN number. Part numbers on the pan, baffles, dipstick, etc., are notorious for not following the year changes. In other words (STi ONLY example), you can find what are known to be 2005 pan parts on an early 2006 model. This goes for Legacy, Forester, Impreza, etc. too.
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Old 04-05-2012, 01:01 PM   #134
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Chris,

Have all of you guys stuff installed on my block right now. Waiting to get it back to get some pics, etc up.

Dont hesitate to consider KillerB products when thinking about your oil system. Their stuff is TOP NOTCH
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Old 04-05-2012, 01:44 PM   #135
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Yes our pickup/baffle combo will work perfectly with ANY stock STi (or06+WRX) oil pan.



Yes, they are different lengths.



As a addition to this, you need to be sure you give the dealer your VIN number. Part numbers on the pan, baffles, dipstick, etc., are notorious for not following the year changes. In other words (STi ONLY example), you can find what are known to be 2005 pan parts on an early 2006 model. This goes for Legacy, Forester, Impreza, etc. too.
Thanks for the quick reply...I'll get with you guys this week to get the pickup and baffle ordered.

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Chris,

Have all of you guys stuff installed on my block right now. Waiting to get it back to get some pics, etc up.

Dont hesitate to consider KillerB products when thinking about your oil system. Their stuff is TOP NOTCH
Agreed...kinda bummed i can't justify the cost of the oil pan in my budget right now.
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Old 09-22-2012, 11:58 AM   #136
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Can someone post the link to the thread where the dipsticks and tubes are compared in order to be sure if they tubes are really different?
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Old 09-22-2012, 05:02 PM   #137
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The dipstick is definitely different, are you asking if the tube is different also?
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Old 09-25-2012, 02:36 AM   #138
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Yeah, that is what I was asking. I just checked the tubes and it looks like they are the same. Check my other created thread to see pics. The dipsticks are definately different though.

I just need to buy the STI baffle now in order to complete everything and install the oil pan finally.
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Old 02-23-2013, 03:30 AM   #139
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Read through the tread, but still not 100%, so my story:
I have 2002 WRX, which will get 2.0L STI EJ207 engine block. Reason for the rebuild was a oiling issue, but not sure exactly where the problem was.
So I would like to avoid oiling issues in the future and want to know will it all fit and work:
11mm oil pump is waiting to be attached
11109AA151 06+ oil pan. I have 2.0 liter engine, so will it fit?
Dip stick and tube for the same pan.
Killer B pickup and windage tray.

Thank you for your time!
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Old 02-23-2013, 06:58 AM   #140
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If the 207 is a V8+ it already has a USDM Sti style pan. If it's a late v9, it already has the 06+ USDM Sti oil pan, because it is an 06+ Sti.

I want to add to what KillerB posted about the USDM 04+ pan, that since the 04+ pan was absolutely necessary in Japan, for the introduction of the twinscroll, it was a cost savings decision to standardize it accross all production and it was a way for the factory to keep the door open for a corporate decision to introduce twinscroll on other markets as well (which they never did).

You should read more from KillerB's research and don't rush with that 11mm pump. One possible oil problem can be that when running a low amount of oil remains in the sump.
You're making sure that even less oil remains in the sump, by introducing the 11mm pump.
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Old 02-23-2013, 08:52 AM   #141
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I still have old flat WRX pan and just the engine block itself is STI.

I understand that 11mm pump has higher pressure and more oil goes through faster. But new WRX's and STI's are using the same or even 12mm pump, with the same amount of oil, so cannot believe that it could be a problem. Plus my cylinders are resurfaced +.025mm, and my pistons will get a new custom made oil cooling, so there are "more places" oil needs to reach at the same amount of time.
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Old 02-23-2013, 09:10 AM   #142
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The 08+ Sti is using the 11 mm pump because it has one more AVCS than you and needs to keep hydraulic pressure for that.

The twin turbo legacy is using the 12 mm pump because it has to support the sleeve bearings of two turbos. I would not at all jump to the conclusion that the twin turbo legacy holds the same amount of oil in the sump as you.
The gc8 engines that used oil jets for cooling did not come with anything more than a 10mm pump.
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Old 02-23-2013, 10:27 AM   #143
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Now it really makes sense, because I don't even have AVCS.
Thanks for that information.
I will definitely talk with my builder about the possible upcoming issue with that oil pump to see what he thinks.
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Old 02-23-2013, 10:37 AM   #144
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Vlad is giving some great advice here.

As far as the pump goes you WILL be doing more harm than good by using a larger pump unless the engine is specifically built for it which requires a ton of work to the oiling system, huge clearances, etc. Larger/different pistons and modest built engines (marginally bigger clearances) do NOT require a larger pump.

There's i good read RIGHT HERE.
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Old 02-23-2013, 12:26 PM   #145
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Vlad is giving some great advice here.

As far as the pump goes you WILL be doing more harm than good by using a larger pump unless the engine is specifically built for it which requires a ton of work to the oiling system, huge clearances, etc. Larger/different pistons and modest built engines (marginally bigger clearances) do NOT require a larger pump.

There's i good read RIGHT HERE.
Really started worrying after reading that tread.
So piston oil squirters and new cross-drilled crankshaft are no reason to use 11mm one?
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Old 02-25-2013, 03:33 PM   #146
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KillerB I sent you a pm a bit ago about 06-07 sti oil pan parts and your pickup tube.

Any way, glad that I found this thread as I am building an ej251 NA hybrid engine and will be ordering the killerB oil pick up, 06-07 sti oil pan, 04+ sti oil windage tray, and 06-07 sti dip stick and dip stick tube.

I know I am only building an NA engine, but I don't need a failure because of a pickup tube.... I also plan on doing some AutoX this year and some spirited drives so paying a little more for the right parts is totally worth it
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Old 03-19-2013, 03:21 AM   #147
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Did some research, because still after reading this thread through 2 times, wasn't sure should dipstick tube be changed or not.
Old WRX uses item 15144AA011 according to http://opposedforces.com/parts/impre...ystem/oil_pan/
New WRX/STI and also Legacy uses item nr. 15144AA100 http://opposedforces.com/parts/impre...ystem/oil_pan/
http://opposedforces.com/parts/legac...ystem/oil_pan/
I don't have a real life picture comparing these two, but according to these links, I will definitely change it also.
So my setup will look like this:
Oil pan 11109AA151
Oil baffle 10915AA010
Dipstick 11140AA150
Tube 15144AA100
KB oil pick-up

Since I already purchased an OEM 11mm oil pump, I'm going to test it. If oil pressure readings are getting to high, then I'll change it for 10mm, but my builder and Celtic Motorsport said that I should be good with it, so we'll see.

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Old 03-30-2014, 10:12 PM   #148
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Opposed forces is showing the 15144AA011 dipstick tube was used all the way into 2007, showing it was paired with the 2006 pan and newer 2006 dipstick. The 15144AA100 wasn't adopted until late 07 and up. I'm needing to get an 06 pan on my 2004 forester xt to work with my killer b pickup and am seeing no supporting info suggesting I need to replace the dipstick tube.
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Old 03-31-2014, 09:38 AM   #149
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I was just able to confirm with the parts guy at local Subaru dealership that the same dipstick tube number that was used on the 04 Forester XT, which has the EJ20 pan, was reused on the 06 STI oil pan through 07, so they are compatible tubes with the 151 pan, and the 150 dipstick.

Additionally, the baffle is the same part number for 04 (ej20) and 05 (ej25) pans, but changed for the 06 pan. That's the 010 part...so it seems the EJ20 baffle is compatible with 2005 oil pans, but was redesigned for the 06 pan.
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Old 03-31-2014, 04:40 PM   #150
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I have an EJ20 baffle here off an older WRX and it is NOT the same that come off our 2005 STi.

Something to be careful of here... part numbers do not always follow model years! For example if you have an early 2006, it may still have 2005 parts on it. This is why some dealers will not give out any part number info without a VIN number.
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