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Old 05-03-2009, 12:38 PM   #1
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Im heading to afganistan in the next month and my STi is going back home to Glendale . When I am away Im looking to get my engine built . I was wondering what shop do you guys recommend for quality and overall cost in the Phoenix area ? A few shops that I have run across are Goodspeed, FAT and Snailperformance . Snailperformance looks like they can do it cheaper than anybody else or would I be better off takeing it to one of the other formentioned shops .
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Old 05-03-2009, 12:51 PM   #2
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what's your idea of a built motor? or what are you asking to have done?
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Old 05-03-2009, 12:56 PM   #3
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i will sell you a FULL built motor, with ported heads, cams, everything, with about 400 miles on it, you are more then welcome to see it run in my car that sits in my garage
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Old 05-03-2009, 12:57 PM   #4
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Well I just bought a rotated gt30r and my engine is up there in miles running with a FPGreen, so I was going to buy a engine from Raw performance and have it installed with the gt30r and tuned for AZs sucky gas . So basically I was going to have just a turbo, engine and tune done, unless there is builder in AZ that can provide the same reliable built engine as Raw for less .
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Old 05-03-2009, 01:16 PM   #5
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Cheaper is not better..... If you want it actually built hit up either Goodspeed or FAT. If you just want pistons dropped in and the false sense of security that its good, well then I guess it doesn't matter.

If you have the money and would consider something already put together, Jay has one hell of a built motor on post #3
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Old 05-03-2009, 01:23 PM   #6
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Cheaper is not better..... If you want it actually built hit up either Goodspeed or FAT. If you just want pistons dropped in and the false sense of security that its good, well then I guess it doesn't matter.

If you have the money and would consider something already put together, Jay has one hell of a built motor on post #3

I would rather keep the money on the west side thats where I grew up and I know things are hard back home . I just want the most for my money if you know what I mean . I talked to FAT and they seem like they have a crazy schedule but I do have time on my hands . My budget is 6,500 for build and install and tune . U think FAT can make something happen for that kind of money .
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Old 05-03-2009, 01:29 PM   #7
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I think that you will be MUCH happier if you put that business to a true shop. To many people accept pistons dropped into a stock block as a built motor around here, and pay way to much to have it done. You may pay a little more at FAT, but you will be getting the peace of mind that it was done right. On top of that, Mark (the tuner FAT uses) is one of the best tuners in the southwest. One of your other options, ummmmmmm, not so much.

My .02 is to go with FAT, sit down with Robert and explain your budget and what your ultimate goal is. He will make it happen, Mark will make it haul ass and not blow up, and you will have a big ass smile on your face when you get back from hell.
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Old 05-03-2009, 02:05 PM   #8
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i will sell you a FULL built motor, with ported heads, cams, everything, with about 400 miles on it, you are more then welcome to see it run in my car that sits in my garage
how much do you want for it, what are the specs/parts, and why are you selling it?
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Old 05-03-2009, 03:54 PM   #9
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Damm, Im very impressed with Goodspeed, what customer service, Joe took the time out of his day off to anwser my questions and what is most impressive he sought me out to ask . This is how you run a buisness just awesome customer service, if more companies paid more attention to their customer base like Goodspeed we probably wouldnt be in this bad of economic times .

Props to Goodspeed
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Old 05-03-2009, 05:52 PM   #10
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See..... Good shops on teh east side too

Seriously, Joe at Goodspeed is one hell of a guy. He has answered numerous questions for me over the years even when he has been busy as hell and never even seemed the least bit inconvienced even though I was doing the work myself and not going through his shop.

Like I mentioned above, both FAT and Goodspeed are more than capable of building you one hell of a motor, and in my experience with both of the shops you will be happy either way. Both also have awesome in house tuners (although I prefer Mark from FAT) but I am sure one could build the motor and the other tune if you preferred. I would steer clear of the other option.
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Old 05-03-2009, 06:48 PM   #11
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I was very suprised that Joe recomended that I go Cobb Stage 1 block, most everybody else except a shop up here in washington (a very good shop) has tried to sell me the super uber stage 2 block . But after thinking about it, I think Joe is dead on with his assesment of what I need .
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Old 05-03-2009, 06:50 PM   #12
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though i havent had any experience with goodspeed i hear only good things. FAT is a great shop and does very respectable work. you will be happy with either of these shops building your motor.
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Old 05-03-2009, 07:28 PM   #13
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I was very suprised that Joe recomended that I go Cobb Stage 1 block, most everybody else except a shop up here in washington (a very good shop) has tried to sell me the super uber stage 2 block . But after thinking about it, I think Joe is dead on with his assesment of what I need .
Cobb stopped making motors, along with all motor parts, maybe Joe was thinking of something else and said cobb, maybe he meant cosworth
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Old 05-04-2009, 10:55 AM   #14
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I will no longer promote FAT after discovering and dealing with numerous lies and arrogance from the shop owner.

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Old 05-04-2009, 12:21 PM   #15
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Cobb stopped making motors, along with all motor parts, maybe Joe was thinking of something else and said cobb, maybe he meant cosworth
We bought the last of the Cobb blocks last year. I have one left.

I can also get Cosworth products.
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Goodspeed. Done. Happy. That Cobb block is a great setup.
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Old 05-04-2009, 07:45 PM   #17
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I just cant wait to get back home, checking out both shops talked to Ron today hella of a nice guy with very nice prices to boot . Since the car will be back in AZ im changing my membership to the SWIC, plus glendale is my hometown and will always be my home ,
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Old 05-04-2009, 08:31 PM   #18
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Cobb stopped making motors, along with all motor parts, maybe Joe was thinking of something else and said cobb, maybe he meant cosworth
there still a few motors out there from cobb....... and if i remember right joe got three of them that have zero miles on them!!! lol should have read the rest of the thread joe answer it for me.......
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Old 05-04-2009, 11:31 PM   #19
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I think Goodspeed does the best work and is the only shop I would let work on my car. Clark tunes all over the world and is by far the most experianced tuner for Subarus. Since he is local I cannnot see having anyone else tune my car.

I'd stick with the RAW Performance motor or get a Cosworth. You cannot go wrong with either of them.
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Old 05-05-2009, 12:23 AM   #20
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Clark is great but im sticking with Tim Bailey in my Op the best tuner in the country along with Phil at Element . Im probably going to have my initial tune done by Brocks dad and than Fly down Tim from Portland, Or .
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Let me know how it works out John. I haven't seen you in a while. Stop by sometime!
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