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Old 05-04-2009, 03:09 AM   #1
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A Camaro5 forum member's posted a report with photos of the new Chevy Camaro with a crack on the front fascia's big upper brow reportedly attributed to a high-speed run. The cracks, which appear on both sides of the big upper brow of the nose of the new Camaro, were attributed to a high speed run 155 MPH earlier in the week. Here's the full report:
While I was doing the photo shoot on a 2010 Camaro SS this past Friday, we noticed some cracks forming at the upper corners of the grille. The tech that was assisting us during the shoot said that those happened during a top speed run earlier that week. The car achieved 155 mph, and apparently it lifted the upper part of the nose enough to form the cracks. I'm not sure if this problem has been addressed, or even mentioned before. Surely it can be something that GM can fix by adding more bracing perhaps, or a thicker nose molding. This 2010 SS was a production car, only a week old, so this concerns me. It might not be a good idea to do any high-speed runs in your new Camaro, at least until we understand the problem and how to fix it first.
Nevermind the high speed runs, maybe it'd also be a good idea to make sure you don't encounter any stiff winds. Match this nose-cone issue up with the slapped-on brake weights issue and Camaro crap-out we reported last week and you've got yourself a couple of cracks in the otherwise perfect fan-boy fascia of the Camaro. No pun intended. (Hat tip to Frankie and Rutledge!) [via Camaro5]
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Old 05-04-2009, 06:43 AM   #2
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Old 05-04-2009, 07:13 AM   #3
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Old 05-04-2009, 07:14 AM   #4
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just wow...!
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Old 05-04-2009, 07:16 AM   #5
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did gm use the windtunnel in testing on this thing or what?? just hilarious!!
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Old 05-04-2009, 07:38 AM   #6
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it was a gentle tunnel gm used
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Old 05-04-2009, 07:55 AM   #7
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They spent too much money on the lead for the brake weights so they could only spring for a dude smoking a cigarette on a windy day in front of the car.
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Old 05-04-2009, 08:36 AM   #8
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same thing as when the Z06 came out. It will be fixed soon, but we will remember it forever.

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Old 05-04-2009, 08:50 AM   #9
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I can hear it now....American quality rears it's ugly head.
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Old 05-04-2009, 09:20 AM   #10
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How many Camaro owners will ever go fast enough for this to be a problem?
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Old 05-04-2009, 09:21 AM   #11
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UPDATE: We've now heard back from Planet LSX's source at GM: "Apparently this was an early production nose, slapped on to get it to Hennessey for parts development. The issue has been addressed and repaired on other cars. Something about a bolted bracket not being installed properly."
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Old 05-04-2009, 09:37 AM   #12
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And also going 155 freakin miles an hour...
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Old 05-04-2009, 09:40 AM   #13
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UPDATE: We've now heard back from Planet LSX's source at GM: "Apparently this was an early production nose, slapped on to get it to Hennessey for parts development. The issue has been addressed and repaired on other cars. Something about a bolted bracket not being installed properly."
Good to hear. That was a close one.

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And also going 155 freakin miles an hour...
I say don't put it on the speedo if you don't want people to do it.
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Old 05-04-2009, 09:44 AM   #14
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so many domestic vehicle haters and gt-r fanbois. when gt-r had tranny problems, ppl jumped in and yell "OWNER ABUSE!!!", but when a camaro gets a little crack from driving @ 155 mph, people bashes the manufacture and assume a wind tunnel wasnt used in R&D.

but anyway... another example that buying 1st year production cars is dumb.
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Old 05-04-2009, 09:52 AM   #15
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Plastic crackes under extreme forces? I don't believe it.

This is a problem 99.9% will never experience, and those that do will have it fixed by Chevy for free.
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Old 05-04-2009, 10:33 AM   #16
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so many domestic vehicle haters and gt-r fanbois. when gt-r had tranny problems, ppl jumped in and yell "OWNER ABUSE!!!", but when a camaro gets a little crack from driving @ 155 mph, people bashes the manufacture and assume a wind tunnel wasnt used in R&D.

but anyway... another example that buying 1st year production cars is dumb.
Sorry.. Do not pass Go.. Do not collect 200... try again...

We knew what people were doing to GTRs to get the transmissions to let go..

Heck, we of all people know what makes an AWD transmission lets go.... One too many high RPM launches, and pop... Even if it was happening to an AWD Corvette, we would be saying the same thing.. You cannot expect an AWD transmission to take the kind of punishment that a RWD transmission can bleed off as wheelspin.

Can you name any other AWD car on the market with similar or more power as the GTR that is actually equipped with a clutch with enough clamping power to actually spin all 4 wheels on a high RPM launch? Lamborghini? Nope.. clutch lets go on high RPM launch for Gallardo and Murcielago. Porsche 997TT? Nope... First gear is too tall... you just bog.. Anyone else?

It isn't as if the transmissions of the GTR packed up as soon as you crossed 100mph or something.. that would be something else. If the transmissions were letting go just by hitting the gas pedal in normal use not involving an AWD launch, that again would be something else...

That little crack you are talking about was actually a pair cracks, as they showed up on both sides of the car. I can only imagine what would happen if that piece decided to let go at high speed, smashing in to the windscreen on its way off. Gladly GM is on top of this, and will make it right. It is not something they needed at the moment though, with all the preconceptions of American cars floating around at the moment. My guess would be some kind of defect in the molding process that is being used on production cars, that was thought to be up to snuff.
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Old 05-04-2009, 10:41 AM   #17
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How about the buguatti veyron?
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Old 05-04-2009, 10:42 AM   #18
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so many domestic vehicle haters and gt-r fanbois. when gt-r had tranny problems, ppl jumped in and yell "OWNER ABUSE!!!", but when a camaro gets a little crack from driving @ 155 mph, people bashes the manufacture and assume a wind tunnel wasnt used in R&D.

but anyway... another example that buying 1st year production cars is dumb.
Maybe its because this car has only been under development for 15 years or so. This seems like a rookie mistake for a car with as much scrutiny as the Camaro was suppose to have
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Old 05-04-2009, 11:07 AM   #19
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I'm not familiar with the braking weight issue or whatever that was... anyone have a link or the cliff notes for it?
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Old 05-04-2009, 11:18 AM   #20
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so first batch camaro's get some cracks in the front grill area....

& some batches of WRX's (08's & 09's) got engine bearings that will go b00m after a couple hundred miles of ownership.


i'm just sayin ..... things happen
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Old 05-04-2009, 11:29 AM   #21
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I'm not familiar with the braking weight issue or whatever that was... anyone have a link or the cliff notes for it?
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Forumites at Camaro5 have been collectively scratching their heads for a couple days, wondering why there appear to be two layers of lead wheel weights stuck onto their brake calipers. It's a mystery Charlie Brown!

The confusion started when a poster uploaded an image of his new Camaro's Brembo calipers, on which were riding two rows of lead weights, normally affixed to the inside of a wheel rim to balance the tire. This led everyone with a Camaro to run outside to see it their mullet machine's also had the weights, which they do, at least on among the folks on the forum. GM has not answered to the confusion yet, but the leading theory is they were place on the caliper as a quick and dirty fix to alleviate brake squeal. From a physics perspective, this explanation is plausible, as resonant frequency is in large part determined by mass, and by changing the vibrating mass of the caliper with the weights, a troublesome squeal would be eliminated for a particular driving condition.

The trouble is if they're using normal brake weights, the heat cycling of the caliper will eventually cause the adhesive to fail and, if things get too serious on the track, the lead could actually melt. Though it's an odd issue and not really a big deal, we'll be keeping you in on the loop during Camaro brake-gate, though we recommend Camaro owners visit their local dealer and have their muffler bearings, blinker fluid, and piston-return springs checked out, just in case. Click here for the high-resolution image. Thanks for the tip Ethan!
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Old 05-04-2009, 11:54 AM   #22
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Apparently GM's fix is to change the speed limiter to 154.......

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Old 05-04-2009, 12:13 PM   #23
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so many domestic vehicle haters and gt-r fanbois. when gt-r had tranny problems, ppl jumped in and yell "OWNER ABUSE!!!", but when a camaro gets a little crack from driving @ 155 mph, people bashes the manufacture and assume a wind tunnel wasnt used in R&D.

but anyway... another example that buying 1st year production cars is dumb.
Wow, really? People using a undocumented feature that the warranty text explicity warns you against using is the same as hitting a speed that the manufacturer advertises?

Talk about fanbois...

You'd think after the Corvette's issues with the hard tops blowing off at high speed, GM would make sure their sports cars could stay in one piece at the speeds they're advertised to reach. Hopefully this is a preproduction issue, but we'll see.
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Old 05-04-2009, 12:21 PM   #24
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same thing as when the Z06 came out. It will be fixed soon, but we will remember it forever.

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Old 05-04-2009, 12:33 PM   #25
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Wow, really? People using a undocumented feature that the warranty text explicity warns you against using is the same as hitting a speed that the manufacturer advertises?

Talk about fanbois...

You'd think after the Corvette's issues with the hard tops blowing off at high speed, GM would make sure their sports cars could stay in one piece at the speeds they're advertised to reach. Hopefully this is a preproduction issue, but we'll see.
Honestly, I'm quite surprised any car manages to stay together even at regular freeway speeds.


Oh, and I had completely forgotten about the Z06 roof issue until WhiteOut posted it
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